NASA’s updated Lattice Assisted Nuclear Fusion revamped site (Have Fleischmann and Pons been finally vindicated?)

  • I am opening this thread because it kind of flew under the radar, but I honestly think this is major news, and we really need to pay attention to this development.


    In its new revamped Lattice Confinement Fusion page, NASA is openly admitting that fusion can happen “at room temperature” in a metal lattice.


    https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/spac…ttice-confinement-fusion/


    Nuclear fusion is a process that produces energy when two nuclei join to form a heavier nucleus. “Scientists are interested in fusion, because it could generate enormous amounts of energy without creating long-lasting radioactive byproducts,” said Theresa Benyo, Ph.D., of NASA’s Glenn Research Center. “However, conventional fusion reactions are difficult to achieve and sustain because they rely on temperatures so extreme to overcome the strong electrostatic repulsion between positively charged nuclei that the process has been impractical.”


    Called Lattice Confinement Fusion, the method NASA revealed accomplishes fusion reactions with the fuel (deuterium, a widely available non-radioactive hydrogen isotope composed of a proton, neutron, and electron, and denoted “D”) confined in the space between the atoms of a metal solid. In previous fusion research such as inertial confinement fusion, fuel (such as deuterium/tritium) is compressed to extremely high levels but for only a short, nano-second period of time, when fusion can occur. In magnetic confinement fusion, the fuel is heated in a plasma to temperatures much higher than those at the center of the Sun. In the new method, conditions sufficient for fusion are created in the confines of the metal lattice that is held at ambient temperature. While the metal lattice, loaded with deuterium fuel, may initially appear to be at room temperature, the new method creates an energetic environment inside the lattice where individual atoms achieve equivalent fusion-level kinetic energies.”


    Have Fleischmann and Pons been finally vindicated, at least sort of?


    This is of course not our usual LENR as they use gamma rays to drive the reaction, but hey, it’s within a metal lattice, and is fusion, and is room temperature, doesn’t it sound like Cold fusion to you?



    let’s discuss.

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.

  • The more I read, the more I feel I need someone to pinch me to be sure I am not dreaming all this.


    In the text of the page, whoever wrote it is at the same time validating basically all the original claims of “cold fusion” and also politely calling “Hot fusion” a pipe dream.

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.

  • This checks out as producing genuine nuclear reactions, that gamma energies and neutron production show it. This is nice, but remember there are anomolious energies in many hydrogen experiments without these inputs and without producing significant neutron flux. A spectrum of interactions to be seen.

  • This checks out as producing genuine nuclear reactions, that gamma energies and neutron production show it. This is nice, but remember there are anomolious energies in many hydrogen experiments without these inputs and without producing significant neutron flux. A spectrum of interactions to be seen.

    LeBob, you know that, I know that and everyone else seriously interested in LENR knows that, but for mainstream we don’t exist as anything else than as a fringe group of pseudoscience believers on a fairy tale.


    Remember that even Pons and Fleischmann were looking for neutrons as they initially thought they were doing classical fusion.


    This is as close that you will ever see mainstream acknowledging that Pons and Fleischmann were right, tacitly. That you can have a “fusion” in a metal lattice.


    We really don’t have the theory to explain what really is happening, and this approach seems to work and also has mainstream blessing. After more than 30 years, I think It is a major breakthrough in acceptance of the phenomenon, and I settle for that, for the moment.

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.

  • It won't stay that way for long! Creativity and a larger global distribution of experimenters is what will help. It's all right in front of us really, in data already consumed by some of our minds and psychological warfair has a lot to do with the struggle of selective blindness to light. Also more focus on how much energy can be attained electromagnetically without breaking/fusing atomic nucleon. That will soften the hold on the gates (politically, and perception wise), and is safer for decentralised civilian use.

  • This was flagged by Curbina in the NASA thread, but just to make it explicit, there are a couple of really interesting GEC presentations linked here: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse…ose-any-other-name-goble/


    They’re Google drive links so they might not stick around.


    I copied your post from US Navy (SPAWAR)/Global Energy Corporation/LENR for continuity. Most people do not know that the US Navy (SPAWAR), and GEC ( http://www.gec.solutions/projects.html ) worked together on LENR. When SPAWAR stopped LENR research, the researchers gravitated over to NASA (which has it's own history of working on LENR) , where they are now jointly developing the technology. That is where this thread picks up the story.


    Greg Goble put it all together in his Linkedin article you referenced, in a nice neat package. He has a talent for that. Good also to see GEC has updated their website to include their new goals in the EV auto field, and also in their Thorium Nuclear Power Plants.

  • Well I have to be an optimist lol. If I didn't pray to interprete the data constructively, and have some form of faith that matter's patterns make logical sense in the grand scheme, this would be quite depressing otherwise. The huge gap between chemical and nuclear energetics along with the fact that there are mainstream mechanisms in atomic structure for achieving reversible deep chemistry. With good inexpensive energy people are only threatened if they won't learn and adapt to understand practicaly, and the financial system... but with potencial locally grown food and plenty independant power in homes and factories🤷🏽‍♂️.


    I copied your post from US Navy (SPAWAR)/Global Energy Corporation/LENR for continuity. Most people do not know that the US Navy (SPAWAR), and GEC ( http://www.gec.solutions/projects.html ) worked together on LENR. When SPAWAR stopped LENR research, the researchers gravitated over to NASA (which has it's own history of working on LENR) , where they are now jointly developing the technology. That is where this thread picks up the story.


    Greg Goble put it all together in his Linkedin article you referenced, in a nice neat package. He has a talent for that. Good also to see GEC has updated their website to include their new goals in the EV auto field, and also in their Thorium Nuclear Power Plants.

    The link isn't working for me.

  • I copied your post from US Navy (SPAWAR)/Global Energy Corporation/LENR for continuity. Most people do not know that the US Navy (SPAWAR), and GEC ( http://www.gec.solutions/projects.html ) worked together on LENR. When SPAWAR stopped LENR research, the researchers gravitated over to NASA (which has it's own history of working on LENR) , where they are now jointly developing the technology. That is where this thread picks up the story.


    Greg Goble put it all together in his Linkedin article you referenced, in a nice neat package. He has a talent for that. Good also to see GEC has updated their website to include their new goals in the EV auto field, and also in their Thorium Nuclear Power Plants.

    Thanks Shane. Wasn’t quite sure where to put it.

  • Charming the bird majority


    "“What we did was not cold fusion,” says Lawrence Forsley,

    a senior lead experimental physicist for the project.

    Cold fusion

    , the idea that fusion can occur at relatively low energies in room-temperature materials,

    is viewed with skepticism by the vast majority of physicists.

    Forsley stresses this is hot fusion,

    but “We’ve come up with a new way of driving it.”


    https://spectrum.ieee.org/ener…usiontokamak-not-included

  • I don’t know if to laugh or cry over this cheap trick. As Greg Goble says about this : a rose by any name is still a rose.


    I wonder if they went with Erbium and Titanium just for the sake of not using Pd or Ni.

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.

  • Forsley at el did some work on fusion fission reactor using Uranium awhile back


    One problem I can see with U238/U235 is the possibilty of complex reactions like


    U238 + hydrogen/deuterium...>>>> Pu239..and other nasties


    Maybe its OK in a space rocket but I would exercise caution in a laboratory


    even if the Uranium was locked tightly and dilutely in a lattice


    Erbium seems a lot safer

  • I don’t know if to laugh or cry

    The birds on the perch have funding

    no funding ..no research..no perch


    The theories of lattice confinement with high kinetic collisions are so.. old school


    However erbium could be a useful addition to Ecalox type reactors

    Erbium, like ytterbium (and uranium and many heavy metals) has metastable isotopes

    with low KeV states which according to Wyttenbach are useful for

    maintaining the LENR "cold fusion' reactions..

  • Forsley has been doing LENR work with uranium since ~1996..

    http://newenergytimes.com/v2//…y-AnalyzingNuclearAsh.pdf


    There was Green Nuclear (GNE) patent/.venture with Khim to make 'fission/fusion reactor based on deuterided U238

    Perhaps it was based on data of increased energy release..which Forsley has somewhere..

    https://patentimages.storage.g…8ccce7/WO2009108331A2.pdf


    Consequently, a heavily deuterided actinide can be its own source of fast neutrons

    , with an average neutron kinetic energy greater than 2 MeV

    and greater than the actinide fission neutron energy.

    Such energetic neutrons are capable of fissioning both fertile and fissile material.

    There is no chain reaction.

    There is no concept of actinide criticality.

    Purely fertile material, like 232Th or non-fertile isotopes, like 209Bi,may fission, producing
    additional fast neutrons and energy up to 200 MeV/nucleon fissioned.


    This results in considerable environmental, health physics, and economic savings
    by using either spent nuclear fuel, mixed oxide nuclear fuel, natural uranium or natural
    thorium to "stoke the fires of a nuclear furnace"

    and is the basis for our Green Nuclear Energy technology, or GNE

    (pronounced, "Genie"). GNE reactors may consume fertile

    or fissionable isotopes such as 232Th, 235U, 238U,239Pu, 241Am, and 252Cf,
    and may consume fission wastes and activation products in situ

    without requiring fuel reprocessing

  • There was Green Nuclear (GNE) patent/.venture

    The gamma emission analysis showed emissions for decay products from Uranium

    plus fission products such as Cs137.


    The amounts would not be expected from depleted uranium..Dash et al

    also observed incresed radioactivity in 2003

    with hydrogenated uranium

    but did not have the sophisticated apparatus of Forsley et al..

    https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DashJchangesint.pdf


  • There was Green Nuclear (GNE) patent/.venture with Khim to make 'fission/fusion reactor based on deuterided U238

    I am sorry to say that, but the term "Green" to be used for such a technology is missleading or in other words "propaganda" from the nuclear industry.

    In my view we want to develop a LENR technology which is SAFE (no or only minor critical emissions, no dangerous waste, no use of dangerous materials), uses abudant materials, can be applied decentralized and is carbon free.

    IMO such a technology using U238 is only of theoretical value, but for no practical application.

    IMO, It would be of NO advantage for the LENR technology, which should be a real alternativ or paradigm shift in future energy systems.

  • IMO such a technology using U238 is only of theoretical value,

    It appears to have dirty products such as Cs-137.


    However the weak evidence for accelerated decay in hydrogenated/deuterides uranium +fission

    may not only fund a dream of dirty technology.


    I believe that that accelerated decay of U238/U235 and thorium daughters may happen inimages?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR9gHbBZG6C1720n8Jk9TipZM89jSiAhjthKg&usqp=CAU

    magma at elevated temperatures when zircons become permeable to hydrogen

    and the confined uranium/thorium at levels such as 500 ppm

    are destabilised. Possibly this natural process is less dirty than the GNE technology.


    Forsley has rightly seen that NASA would be interested in such technology

    but watery electrolysis seems a bit messy/heavy and adds to the payload.

    Perhaps he is working on a gas phase device.


    There is also 770,000 tonnes of depleted uranium stored in the USA

    and not so many Middle East wars to get rid of it.


    If U238 decays all the way to stable lead

    the energy per atom is something like 60 Mevs


    Say this tech or similar could get 10 % of that stored energy .quickly . I calculate this 10% as 2.8 x 10(23) J

    The annual primary energy usage of earthlings is something like 6 x 10(20) J

    brief unchecked calculation,,


    Dirty technology .. maybe good for robot manned spacecraft to a planet far way from me.


    https://www.baltimoresun.com/n…-04-0004040111-story.html