Ring laser might allow for revolutionary new effect suggested by CPT symmetry (I search for access/collaboration)

  • There are lots of experimentalists here, so I thought to ask if somebody has (or know somebody having access to) ring laser (or free electron laser, synchrotron)? - please contact me if so.

    They might allow for currently unknown effect (increase deexcitation rate of target) - which if true would allow for lots of new applications including fusion, e.g. stimulation of improbable nuclear transitions.


    Ring laser with optical isolator (acting as diode for photons) allows for nearly unidirectional photon trajectories.

    CPT theorem says that "CPT symmetry holds for all physical phenomena" - applying this symmetry to ring laser would reverse photon trajectory, making it should cause excitation of target in below diagram. In the original perspective (no CPT) it translates to causing deexcitation of target.

    Assuming this target is gas-discharge lamp, its excited atoms usually deexcite in isotropic way - the question is if such laser can additionally increase probability of deexcitation in this direction (and corresponding frequency)? In this case it would be seen by detectors around.


    It needs experimental test - negative result would suggest macroscopic CPT violation (and its further investigation), positive would allow for lots of new applications.




    ps. to spice potential "new applications", such hypothetical caused deexcitation would be earlier - what might allow e.g. for time-loop computers (more details in Section IV.A of https://arxiv.org/pdf/0910.2724 ) :


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  • If the above was not convincing enough (?), here is another perspective using formulas from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulated_emission

    There are two (Einstein's) formulas - for absorption it applies to the central target (pumped crystal), and the standard target on the right.

    The symmetric emission formula is considered only for the central target.

    However, in perspective after CPT symmetry the targets and equations would switch - hence emission formula should also symmetrically apply to the target on the left - stimulate its (earlier!) deexcitation (if satisfying condition of being excited).


  • You could buy all the parts and build a ring laser yourself for (depending on power and wavelengths $1000 or so. It's all the detection and analytical kit that is hard to find. Sometimes the shiny bits are not the problem, it's the lab infrastructure and the many hours of work involved.

  • Thanks, it also needs experience in lasers I lack - hence I am searching for a collaboration, probably many persons in this forum already have such hardware and experience.

    If performing credible test, in both cases it would be revolutionary:

    - credible negative result would mean macroscopic violation of CPT symmetry - inspiring series of further experiments to explore it, e.g. the smallest scale this symmetry breaks, potential violation mechanisms, etc.

    - in case of positive result, hundreds of new possibilities, applications ... e.g. stimulation of rare decay modes (also nuclear) ... and maybe time-loop computers ...

  • CPT symmetry probably remains valid in macroscopic physics, so maybe let us discuss/propose potential applications of such looking possible stimulated deexcitation, intuitively "pulling of photons":

    - time-loop computers (mainly ring lasers),

    - low probability nuclear transitions - if they produce some characteristic gammas, then they could be stimulated by such caused deexcitation - these high energy photons are available e.g. in free electron lasers, wigglers/undulators in synchrotron ... also in standard laser setting using above Einstein's equation. Which nuclear transitions would be the most interesting, practical?

    - similarly for chemistry - probably useful for many technological processes (which ones?).

    - maybe stimulated proton decay - ultimate energy source: complete matter -> energy transition, ~100x energy density than fusion from any matter. Violation of baryon number is required e.g. by baryogenesis, Hawking radiation. They cannot observe it in room temperature water, but maybe it is a matter of proper conditions, like pulling photons of characteristic energies by some powerful free electron laser? Could use normal laser setting.

    - ?


  • Optical pulling allows to pull in optical tweezers, negative radiation pressure to pull solitons - some hypothetical application: 2WQC (two-way quantum computers) maybe solving NP problems (standard 1WQC might be bounded with e.g. Shor, Grover).


    Would gladly discuss and generally am still searching for collaboration in these topics, especially access to ring laser to test if it allows for negative photon pressure, what is required e.g. by CPT symmetry (details in Section V of https://arxiv.org/pdf/0910.2724 ).


  • This topic of upgraded quantum computers exploiting CPT symmetry has grown - a few articles: https://www.qaif.org/2wqc


    There are a few indirect experimental confirmations, but still misses a direct one, like below: simplified test of photon direction in stimulated emission - whatever the result, there will be interesting article, I would gladly write in collaboration (please contact me if interested)


    This is simple recreation of setting from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STED_microscopy - needed just 2 diode lasers, fluorescent dye, photodetector and oscilloscope:


    use continuous excitation laser, impulse depletion laser - both target fluorescent dye as in STED, also some photodetector - connected to oscilloscope triggered with laser impulse. The question is: what is the observed sign in Δt=(d±l**)/**c delay formula?


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