I had a word with someone who knows Gullstrom. FWIW they said he is a very bright guy.
If Rossi can get his QuarkX to work in a plasma, does fuel preparation have any impact on the LENR reaction? R. Mills in his SunCell does not do any fuel prep in that reactor...just get a dirty plasma going and the plasma takes care of itself. Are you'll still chasing your tails here?
This is not a plasma reactor. Not all nails need hitting with the same kind of hammer. You can cook eggs straight from the shell, but peas need podding first.
The device exists alright. For a very brief period there was a video circulating of 'first ignition'. I have (before you ask) not seen it myself, but others I trust have. I think btw that you are looking at around a 10% duty cycle which is why it doesn't melt.
ETA. There are several - indeed many- scenarios that appear to be possible here. 1. The quark does not exist, Gullstrom never saw it, and Rossi just made up some numbers and told him what to write. 2. The Quark does exist, and Gullstrom , who got to be a PhD student at Upsalla without having a clue about how to use a multimeter or indeed any other measuring device, visited and wrote what he was told.
They will both seem entirely plausible to some. I like a third variant, where Gullstrom saw a Quark running, did his best to measure things with the equipment to hand and walked away amazed.
Well it's a very long shot I guess but I'm trying to think of possible endothermic processes that would not need material moved in and out.
Keep thinking. Nobody else in the world has found one yet. Though AR may have achieved another system involving total conversion of energy to mass.
A question. Can platinum sponge be made absorb hydrogen ions with less released exothermic energy than occurs with normal hydrogen adsorption?
Compared with normal hydrogen adsorption into what? Also, at what temperature?
The same holds true if the input was mis-measured by the same factor of 1000. Even if both input and output were mis-measured by a factor of 100 you still get COP 2.2.
Let us assume there was an ENORMOUS error in measuring the heat output. Since the wrongly measured COP was 22,000, even if we assume a measurement error of three orders of magnitude (103), we are still looking at a COP of 22. And at that level the output would only be a couple of watts, and Gullstrom would have been saying 'is it getting warm yet?'
I can see why they would think so, but again, it requires a certain amount of naivete to believe it won't be controlled centrally to a large degree.
'Buy access, develop, monopolise, monetise, sell.' That is how technology becomes centralised
I think that the pioneering interest shown by IH in LENR research is indicative of the fact that the control and monetisation of any disruptive technology (disruptive in terms of impinging upon the established pattern of cash-flow) will be swift, aggressive, and comprehensive.
Philosophy is not my usual bedtime reading, but I think this pre-print paper by Finnur Dellsén looks at an aspect of what might be called 'contentious science' in an illuminating way. 'Where there is no harmony, there should be trust'. The author is a postdoctoral fellow at University College Dublin, where he is working on this programme...
When Expert Disagreement Supports the Consensus : Finnur Dellsén
This is a preprint of an article whose final and definitive form will be published in the Australasian Journal of Philosophy. The Australasian Journal of Philosophy is available online at: http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/.
It is often suggested that disagreement among scientific experts is a reason not to trust those experts, even about matters on which they are in agreement. In direct opposition to this view, I argue here that the very fact that there is disagreement among experts on a given issue provides a positive reason for non-experts to trust that the experts really are justified in their attitudes towards consensus theories. I show how this line of thought can be spelled out in three distinct frameworks for non-deductive reasoning, viz. Bayesian ConfirmationTheory, Inference to the Best Explanation, and Inferential Robustness Analysis.
Can someone confirm, that the current QuarkX is still the one we have been told about a year ago with a blurry blue picture? A 30mm long stick, 1mm diameter, packed and covered with unknown high tech materials, delivering thrust, electricity, light and enormous heat at the same time? We will probably know by the time when the indipendent demonstration and test will happen...
Lets be clear about the thrust thing. Boeing and Airbus are interested in LENR for the same reason. Reheat on high-bypass fan jets. That is where the thrust idea comes from, the Q-X is not self-propelling.
Not unless you can think of a way to stop the outside catching fire. Graphite would be possible though. I think. Trouble is - it is highly conductive - would become a huge carbon lamp filament
I am very sure it is Sapphire tube- not Alumina
Maybe so Bob. Perhaps the sapphire surface is occluded with condensed metal vapour? But as operation is intermittent perhaps plasma temperature - when plasma present - was the object of interest rather than the surface temperature of the tube ? Plasmas can of cource come close to BB's emissivity depending on density and so on. Probably an average temperature figure would have been a better idea. But- in matters of thermography- I am happy to be advised by almost anybody!
I would be interested to understand how much heat that can be dissipated through just one open truck loading dock? The amount of heat that can be dissipated through just one open dock is probably underestimated by people who themselves has never worked in a warehouse or factory.
There was always an open door.
From their measurements, they estimate a temperature of the device surface at 2636°K or 2363°C. Alumina would melt at 2072°C, so either the tube is not alumina, or the tube surface temperature is wrong. It is likely that the tube is alumina and the tube surface temperature is wrong. As I mentioned, the tube can be much cooler than the plasma (for example the much cooler glass temperature of a neon sign), particularly if the tube is transparent. Alumina is translucent at visible and near infrared wavelengths - it has a high degree of transparency because its crystallites are randomly oriented sapphire. So it has scattering, but a high degree of transparency. This means that the diameter for the Boltzmann calculation would have to be some kind of average plasma discharge diameter inside the tube because it is not the tube surface that is at that temperature and radiating at the 2363°C Boltzmann spectrum - it is the inner plasma.
In fact the tubes are Sapphire - which is ok up to 2000C+ (2332K) , and operation is intermittent, so the plasma temperature might be too high for comfort, but the tube and the electrode temperatures fall within the bounds of possibility. Intermittence is even alluded to in the paper.
You're such a fun guy!
In contrast to your good self, of course.
I think you should have a nice cup of cocoa and lie down in the dark awhile. Stress is a killer, you know.
2 kV minimum/1.5 cm distance.
Are you basing the 2kV minimum figure on what is usual, or on something in the paper? Also, it is not possible for the plasma temperature to be higher than the electrode temperature -so long as triggering is intermittent? And if the lithium and the aluminium are vapourised, does it make any difference?
Further update. Presentations at this meeting were not recorded on video.
The answer to that is 'possibly'. It looks the same, smells the same. Never tried.
Nucleon polarizability and long range strong force from σI=2 meson exchange potential
Carl-Oscar Gullström, Andrea Rossi. 9/march/2017
This appears to be a Quark - related experiment.....
Address of the site: 7861 NW 46th St., Doral, Florida, 33139 USA
Participants to the experiment: Carl-Oscar Gullström, Dr Andrea Rossi
Description of the apparatus
The circuit of the apparatus is made by a power source to supply direct
current, a load made a 1 Ohm resistance, a reactor containing two nickel rods
with LiAlH4 separated by 1.5 cm of space.
During the test a direct current was switched on and off. When the current
was switched on a plasma was seen flowing between the two nickel rods. The
current was running through the plasma but the plasma was found to be charge
neutral from a Van Deer Graaf test. This implies that the plasma has an
equal amount of positive ions flying in the direction of the current and negative
ions(electrons) in the opposite direction.
Input: 0.105 V of direct current over a 1 Ohm resistance.
Energy output: The wavelength of the radiations out of the reactor has been
measured by a spectrometer ( Stellar Net spectrometer 350-1150 nm ) and was
integrated with the value of 1100 nm ( 1.1 microns ).
The temperature of the surface of the reactor ( a perfect black body ) has
been calculated with Wien’s equation: 2900/λ (micron) = 2900/1.1 = 2636 K
By Boltzman Equation the effect is: W = σ × ǫ × T
4 × A
A = 1.0 cm2
ǫ = 0.9
By substitution: W = 5, 67 × 1012 × 0.9 × 4.8 × 1013 = 244.9 etc, etc..
Ordinary activated carbon can be produced from many different carbon sources as well. I guess the question would have been better posed as: "does the activation here roughly cause the same transformations occurring during standard activated carbon manufacturing?"
No- ordinary activated charcoal - as used for filtration.odour trapping etc. - doesn't do the hydrogen trick as supplied. But it will do it if electrolysed. So there is something distinctly different about CC.
It is confusing, and you are not the first victim. The CC is made using ordinary granulated carbon. It can be crushed coal, coconut shell carbon, crushed wood charcoal or carbon black powder derived from burning natural gas ( gas-black). All these items have been used. We 'activate' these materials - turn then into catalytic carbon - using the simple electrolytic process we have described elswhere and detailed in Howard Phillip's patents..
Has electrolytic activation of the carbon grains already been attempted by placing them close to one of the electrodes instead of homogeneously arranged in the water tank?
Well, some grains are close, and some are far away, the tanks are looseley filled with carbon grains, there is little totally free space. This arrangement might in theory (some theories) change the grains individual environments a lot, but in practice there is a steady voltage gradient right down the tank. You can see this gradient effect in what fans call 'HHO' cells, where only the electrodes at each end of the stack are connected directly, and the others in between show a 'floating voltage'. It may be that those carbon grains nearer the electrodes would show more catalytic activity, but in practice we have never separated them.
Thank you Eric. Of course you are right. Brain inserted wrong way around today. My sincere apologies to all.
This comment is from one of our research group on reading the paper you pointed out to me...some of it may be unclear - the referecnce to HDO for example, but you can see it got people thinking.
"A very interesting paper.
Pd is a whisker away from Pb and as such this may have a very direct interest in relation to CC-LENR.
If Pb doped Carbon becomes ultra-absorbent… there is just so much to think about here.
Refilling of tanks, the reduction of H2O and the possible concomitant concentration of HDO.
Why does heat seem to originate at the base of the Anodes… could this possibly be a point of major Pb doped Carbon absorption?
Is it simply Protium that is being absorbed?
Gosh… it touches on so many aspects of our thoughts and work."
I agree Eric. 2 for me and 1 for you is not sharing, it's exploitation.