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    If we look at both sides of the coin - is there a statistic that shows those deseaes in the group of unvaxxinated but infected and recovered children? Or is there no other side?

    Do you not understand the base rate fallacy?

    It seems tha FM1 simply copied a a strange report from a strange website...with strange tags...


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    As said in Switzerland/UK we clearly see the same with the much better age resolution that shows age 10..30 2xx vaxx have a higher death/hospital risk than unvaxx.

    ? At least the age groups 30...39y and 20...29y show still a completely different picture than the one you are painting?

    The hospitalisation risk per 100000 of the specific unvaxx group is still the highest one in comparison to the other vaxx groups...


    COVID-⁠19 Switzerland | Coronavirus | Dashboard
    COVID-⁠19 pandemic in Switzerland and Liechtenstein: case numbers, virus variants, hospitalisations, Re number, hospital capacity, international situations,…
    www.covid19.admin.ch


    New ex-vivo cell research seems to show a reason why Omicron causes mostly milder illness? Different to Delta the Omicron variant seems much more vulnerable by the interferon response of infected human cells...


    "In conclusion, our comparison of Omicron and Delta isolates in different cellular models shows that Omicron viruses remain sensitive to a broad range of anti-SARS-CoV-2 drugs and drug candidates with a broad range of mechanisms of action. Moreover, Omicron viruses are less effective at antagonizing the host cell interferon response, which may explain why they cause less severe disease."

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-022-00619-9.pdf

    As said all vaccine statistics are faked by the high number of recovered included, that get no or much fewer/harmless infections due to being protected by better fitting antibodies.

    Shouldn't we see then a significant lower severe infection rate, illness or death rate among unvaccinated? If all infected would have been fully recovered and never got a vaccination (= unvaccinated?), wouldn't the Israel statistics show these as "unvaccinated"? I would expect that a recovered person with an after-jab doesn't count as unvaccinated anymore.

    Just to make sure we all agree on the same wording....

    Almost all days past 5 jan. As said you have to add the numbers . May be you suffer from the same undergrad math problem like THH...What is 30+19+18... Is it smaller or greater 59?


    Not sure why you change the topic again...didn't I said you were wrong on your numbers of deaths? Why do you come up now with hospitalizations and your common BS insults? Is that intentionally? Because you were not right on the number of deaths? Just asking. Other's here admit if proven to be wrong sometimes...


    No: Yare wrong. More vaxx die than unvaxx die. Just check the numbers . Unknown is vaxx. Just vaccine unknown...

    Here again...cannot see there are more (numbers!) vaxx, than unvaxx who died... except for one single day (Jan 11), where the total number of vaxxed deaths 5 (incl. unknown status) was +1 higher than unvaxxed. Does this justify your strong claim???


    There is no longer a weekly report with verified data... The online data is just what they get not very official...(not with state stamp!)

    So good to know then. You admit that the data so far were kind of official then? With numbers of unvaxx deaths larger than double vaxx, correct?


    You stated: "Here at this very point where vaccinated deaths outnumber unvaxx death Switzerland did stop to produce the death report."


    The swiss statistics still shows (as it was at all times during this pandemic) that a larger number (!) of unvaxxed died.


    Which statement is now fake news? Or did the numbers completely change within last week? And what is a state stamp? These weekly reports are issued by your local state authorities, aren't they?


    Here at this very point where vaccinated deaths outnumber unvaxx death Switzerland did stop to produce the death report. To damaging for vaccine sellers now.... So we just joined the world wide cheaters like DE/FR/NL/US,...

    One still can find the Swiss death statistics…?

    At least until very recently. Not sure which report you are referring to…

    COVID-⁠19 Switzerland | Coronavirus | Dashboard
    COVID-⁠19 pandemic in Switzerland and Liechtenstein: case numbers, virus variants, hospitalisations, Re number, hospital capacity, international situations,…
    www.covid19.admin.ch

    Let's check it then again i 2..4 weeks how Omicron may bend the statistics. Noted. You should get out of here with your laughing smilies if you cannot come up with better argumentation, as others do...sad.

    Every child can read a graphic....These are absolute numbers. Booster rate in Israel is 60%, no vaxx = 30%!


    Rate data is not reliable as you always can fudge the denominator...

    It is of course easier to argue on total numbers (vaxx in hospital are higher due to large vaccination rate for Omicron). But that doesn't change the risk for vaxxed or unvaxxed... if all 60+ are vaccinated we would talk about hospitalisations, severe illness and deaths among fully vaccinated only. You will need th fudge the denominator a lot to come up in the end with a higher risk for vaxx people vs. unvaxx...

    Finally found a way to translate the Hebrew site into German and work int the dashboard :) : Servere illness rate in Israel in the last 4 weeks in the age group 60+.


    Axctive patients 60+ severe ill in the last 4 weeks (huge difference between unvaxx and vaxx)



    New patients in the last 4 weeks 60+ (still a huge factor between unvaxx and vaxx...)


    Here once more for our vaccine terrorist the actual Israels death by vaxx status. Dark green is 3x/4x vaxx light green is incomplete 2x/3x vaxx....

    It is obvious that the vaccinated and boostered just die according the fraction in the population. Of course you always can find a subset where the vaccinated look better e.g. for age 90..92 or any arbitrary subset...You can also include historic data... But we have a 100% new situation.

    Israel has chosen the worst vaccine that has a lab confirmed 40..1000x lower performance for Omicron... So a few lucky "vaccinated" (4x gene therapy) in the range of 0..15% will see a tiny benefit...This is also what the infection rate show over time as the vulnerable vaccinated are the first ones selected by the virus. So over time the rate will change a tiny bit in favor of gene therapy (vaccinated).

    I asked you already to please post something readable... not sure who here can translate this so we can see what the Israel Health Ministry (?) did post in Hebrew. I couldn't find any button to push so I can read this in english....do you have one in your browser?

    I assume the graph shows the number of cases, not the rate per million in the relevant patient (unvaxx, double vaxx, boostered?) and age group?

    Interesting change in infection number statistics in Spain (Catalonia): Infection rates with Omicron higher among vaccinated (it is known that vaccinations more or less do not prevent somebody from being infected, but it is of course about preventing from severe illness / death and filling up ICU's...)


    "Something similar is observed in the official data coming out of Iceland: the 14-day incidence rate is higher among the vaccinated population who have not received a booster shot than among the unvaccinated (5,600 cases per 100,000 inhabitants, compared to 4,000 in the unvaccinated group). However, the lowest incidence is among Icelanders with three doses.

    This coincides with the data emerging from Catalonia: in November the incidence was lower for the vaccinated than for the unvaccinated in all age groups. But since the arrival of omicron, among the under-50 population – a demographic that has received few boosters – the infection rates seem to be higher among the vaccinated"


    The success of Covid-19 vaccines against omicron: Vaccinated up to five times less likely to be hospitalized
    Partial data collected in Spain and extensive analysis in the UK show that immunized individuals are at a much lower risk of being admitted to hospital or…
    english.elpais.com