I cannot for the life of me understand what the purpose of that "demonstration" was.
A dog and pony show with no canine or equine components whatsoever, very badly presented.
Nor can I understand how Rossi still has faithful believers.
But then I am constantly amazed by the mad things some people seem honestly to believe.
It might b please you to know, that neither I, nor my close colleagues care a flying frog about protecting LENR IP. We are more interested in making it just a little more respectable and mainstream and fundable. After all, if you can show something good, there will be cake enough for the whole planet.
Exactly so; and good for you!
All Rossi need is one or two customers who will allow other people to see the kit in action and to examine the figures.
Whatever the method used, he will have to publicise successful use in the wild if he hopes to flood the world with alternative energy sources.
IMO, this isn't going to happen
Solar PV would be nowhere if it hadn't been demonstrated that it worked outside the development lab and in use by people who knew nothing of its theory of operation.
It is to be hoped that SOMEONE claiming to have LENR in operation will not be so paranoid/scared of losing control over IP. The whole point of IP is to be able to sell or license it and thereby spread it quickly and maximise revenue
Not even a kissing cousin. The devil is in the detail, nano-aluminium which they are using is a a very expensive product, probably $10k/tonne. especially when you add gallium (and possibly bismuth) to is as these guys must do. And when you have produced the very expensive hydrogen you have a difficult and expensive clean-up to do on the sludge, There are a few systems like this around, but with the hydrogen costing around $100/kilo they are only of interest to the military, who can just throw the crap over the nearest hedge, and need fuel 'at any cost'.
Thanks. Interesting.
But not as interesting as that which you seem to be getting on with! Good luck with that.
Very pleased to know that work is being done in the UK, and I hope you have sufficient backing.
Display MoreDepends on what you want to feel happier about. You can swallow the Kool-Aid dispensed by the packaging industry and their chums, or you can do what I did and spent 2 years checking out what really happens. Then you will realise what the true situation is. Why do you think they are so cheap? It certainly isn't because they are 'a product in demand'. Don't swallow the slick PR campaigns, just check this out.
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/aluminium-can-scrap.html
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ETA - and ask yourself why white aloxite from the Beyer Process sells for $600/tonne? It produces far less aluminium than re-smelting cans (because of the oxygen) yet is worth twice as much. Strange, eh?
Anything related to this? https://www.newscientist.com/a…on-demand-just-add-water/
He seems to be getting a modest budget to do what appears to be legitimate research. However, the concept of getting energy from molecular motion seems to violate the second law of thermodynamics so it's pretty improbable that it will perform as claimed and be a practical energy source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
Anyway, are you suggesting that high power production from LENR exists and is being repressed? It is hard to see how that would ever happen.
Reluctant as I am to question one of the Grand Old Men of this forum, could you explain precisely your objection?
Harvesting energy from vibrations induced by environmental heat seems to me to violate nothing. Heat pumps do it all the time; and it's not as if any great efficiency is being proposed.
Just harvesting energy in a novel way.
Still, I stand to be corrected.
Signor Rossi, and any scientist or engineer working with him, is very well aware of what would have to be done unequivocally to demonstrate anomalous heat production.
He and they have assiduously avoided doing any of those things. For years and years he and they have turned a deaf ear to all pleas for proper instrumentation used properly, for proper control/dummy runs, etc., etc., ad nauseam.
This last circus was not a "demonstration". It was just an entertainment. Those who invest in Signor Rossi's blague (whether cash or simply belief) are doomed to perpetual disappointment.
So it goes
Display MoreDarden comes to mind. He did several stupid things:
1) Failing to require a proper test of the ORIGINAL simple, small, highly efficient ecat that Levi supposedly got terrific results with
2) Failing to have a qualified test lab verify the operation of the ecat including correct calibrations
3) Giving Rossi $10+ millions based on an inane "test" done for 24 hours by someone who worked with Rossi
4) Agreeing to allow Penon to be the "ERV" (or whatever) -- did he not know that Penon certified (erroneously) one of Rossi's earliest tests? And was a friend of Rossi's?
5) Agreeing to a one year test, poorly specified, not necessary, badly designed, irrelevant and using pieces of junk which supposedly had been sold to others.
6) Trusting a convicted felon with nothing but failures and disasters in his clear-cut history most of which was in the open on the internet.
Woodford for signing on to that disaster.
Rossi is looking for someone who will not do proper diligence because they are afraid to offend him and miss out on the opportunity. That worked in the past but I doubt very much that it will work now. Basically, Rossi is looking for a gullible and desirous person with money who has not kept up with what he has done and has little or no knowledge of the case Rossi vs IH vs Rossi, as far as it got. I will be shocked if he gets one but stranger things have happened.
An investor who cannot or will not use Google deserves to lose his/her shirt
I am sure that Tom Darden will be delighted to hear that you consider him 'low, stupid, and common'. I expect Dewey will pass your judgement on to him.
It does seem harsh. Naive would be better, perhaps with a slight dash of negligent. Or perhaps his advisers were incompetent. However, the can is his to carry.
Display MoreAxil's posts today are filled with definitive declarative statements (as opposed to expressions of opinion) about Rossi's technology, his activities, and those of so-called competitors. I am not making any judgements here, but there are only three possible explanations for these posts:
1) Axil has direct connections to Rossi and others in the LENR world that nobody else here has and that provide him with information nobody else has.
2) Axil is telepathic or clairvoyant and can simply know these things without being told them
3) Axil makes all this stuff up
Logically speaking, one of these three statements is correct. It is up to each of us to decide for himself which it is.
There is a 4th alternative. Axil inhabits an impregnable silo of alternative reality, where copypasta from various fringe scientists becomes absolute truth and must be presented to the sheeple as absolute truth
This is common amongst those who dislike whatever mainstream science might indicate on a given subject.
Creationists are a prime example of this silo-dwelling
The unmitigated evil that the enemies of LENR bring to the world requires a unmitigated negative and maximal reaction to that evil; and that evil is just beginning to be marshaled.
Does being skeptical of the Rossi's claims make one "an enemy of LENR"? Am I evil?
Well, if it was anyone else suggesting that, I might take exception.
My old Gran used to say "the more florid the rhetoric, the less rational the speaker". Well, she would have done if she'd thought of it.
The last time I went to Dublin I was forced to start drinking Guinness at 4 a.m. There was more Guinness at breakfast in Dublin. The memories of the next couple of days are somewhat hazy, but I do know at times I eschewed the Guinness for Bushmills. The Irish are generous hosts, but have a peculiar idea of what constitutes a nutritious diet.
OK, so we have no idea what the actual pressure was in the system (I use the word loosely) at that point in the pipework. All speculation based on the figure of zero bar is fruitless.
Also what species of scientist or engineer would not have queried that set of readings and at least swapped out the sensor for an alternative? It may seem trivial, but it gives an idea of the general sloppiness (or worse) of the test protocol and the people running it.
Looking forward to the 24th. I shall just have returned from Dublin and will be full of the Good-natured Glow of Gallons of Guiness
While we're discussing history, was it ever determined whether the invariant pressure readings of 0 bar reported during the "1 year test" were
a) Zero bar gauge pressure
b) Zero bar absolute pressure
c) Readings given by a faulty or non-connected sensor
d) Something else.
Not that it matters; it's just something niggling at me.
TIA for any answers
IH Doral test re-enactment society.
Indeed. Battle of the Unchangeable Minds
Yes, stefan; see this thread. The testing Alan Fletcher and IH Fanboy collaborated on has shown that in the case of the ProMinent pump they acquired, the rate seen in testing has to my knowledge reached a maximum rate of 42.3 L/hr. That's clearly somewhat short of the 70 L/hr or so that has been mentioned, but the testing is not yet done.
I must say I stood back in wonder and confusion while all that was going on. To make such a meal of a relatively simple testing project....
Ehh, it is a fact that it was claimed. What is so hard to understand? And it is beyond reasonable doubt that IH will never admit it due to legal circumstances.
And that piece of rank sophistry is precisely why you will never win in an honest debate.
I believe it originated on Mats Lewan blog. (and not in any deposition either way). And I guess it is not in the interest of IH to admit it happened...
So you're presenting an evidence-free assertion as fact?
Way to go.
Well, he did. He even offered to pay for getting the license back, but they denied. IH did not want to get rid of Rossi. On the contrary they absolutely wanted to keep him in tight leash silenced by NDA for as long as possible.
All this will be obvious to you when your tantrums ebb out.
As I remember it, the Rossi (and/or his supporters) CLAIMED there was a cash offer to get the IP back; but IH denied having had any such offer. I don't recall any evidence either way, but I don't remember the Rossi claiming this in any sworn deposition.
At the time, Rossi new about the E-Cat QX. Getting his IP and sales territory back was worth a lot more than 900 million. If he had won IH would have declared bankruptcy and had little money in the bank. He would never have got his 900 million + damages. I'm sure he grieved about the legal fees that he could not spend on R & D,
The "IP" is completely worthless, if you mean that silly patent.
