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Quote from RobertBryant

THH;s scientific argumentum ad populum as ever,

zero knowledge of biological complexity

This is rather circular, is it not.

I am saying the antivax arguments you love to propagate are ignoring biological complexity.

You are, for example, suggesting that because COVID-19 - and vaccine RNA - has a mechanism to integrate into liver-cell DNA that the vaccines are more dangerous than COVID.

At least that is what you are continually implying - so if you don't think that is true your posts here are misleading.

I've never underestimated the complexity of biology, nor the difficulty of establishing does any particular thing potentially cause problems.

I'm not sure what your argument really is. While any vaccine which has been around for only 2 years might in principle have unexpected nasty side effects, the same applies (in spades) for COVID infection. So it is a choice of devils and I know which one has all the evidence against it (that is - people actually dying, more people having long-term illness).

Your posts don't mention this (complex) choice. They highlight only one side of it, and the evidence there is very highly speculative: as you know given that you (as stated) understand biological complexity. You know that mechanisms for things proven to exist is very far from those things ever happening in a clinically observable way. You know that viruses do nasty things to cells.

I don't criticise the antivaxxers (or antivaxxer fellow-travellers like you) for being interested in possible nasty side effects of vaccines. I criticise them for ignoring uncertainty and complexity, and for looking at the varied evidence in a selective and biased way, as well as (90% of the time) getting simple statistics wrong to make points that cannot be made because they are false.

Quote from THHuxleynew

I am saying the antivax arguments

There's that antivax scientific argument again... the rest is garbage

I have no problem with DTP vaccines which have been tried and tested for decades

but I do have a problem with the socalled mRNA vaccines which have not been tested for decades

and have an unknown safety profile

I would rather take the Novavax

to label ANY opposition to mRNA vaccines as ANTIVAX

is a vacuous argument

PLAY NICELY NOW!

What's the problem with mRNA vaccine?

The problem is it stopped being a nice MRNA long ago

It stopped playing nicely

Quote from Alan Smith

PLAY NICELY NOW!

Round about 2008..

Quote from RobertBryant

ANTIVAX

Biontech wrote this

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23261139_Incorporation_of_Pseudouridine_Into_mRNA_Yields_Superior_Nonimmunogenic_Vector_With_Increased_Translational_Capacity_and_Biological_Stability

Incorporation of Pseudouridine Into mRNA Yields Superior Nonimmunogenic Vector With Increased Translational Capacity and Biological Stability

A not so nice mRNA which would evade the natural cellular defense which destroys mRNA very quickly.

This synthetic pseudouridine mRNA could stay around for weeks in the cell.

and end up in your spleen

then there was a problem to get it into the cell.

Well give it a lipid envelope..

the problem with this is that you fool the natural cell defenses so they end up

taking it in just like a retro virus

and then Pfizer says

oh but it can't get into the nucleus.

why not?

what stops it getting another lipid envelope.

Who understands the complexity of the internals of lipid transport in the cell.

Does Pfizer.?

Does Moderna?

Does our biology anti ANTIVAX ignoramus THH?

Does our Professor Rot?well?

Certainly not?

No.. this requires another few decades of work.

But anyone who questions the safety of mRNA vaccines is ANTIVAX

Australia recommends Novavax as booster..

goodbye Pfizer,,

https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-greg-hunt-mp/media/atagi-recommends-novavax-for-use-as-a-covid-19-booster

Quote from RobertBryant

Australia recommends Novavax as booster..

goodbye Pfizer,,

https://www.health.gov.au/mini…use-as-a-covid-19-booster

You are on a roll Robert, thanks

Our forum clown (THH and his helpers Zorud,Zeus, plus some recently added ones) are just free mason bots that try to push the play book.

The free masons main trick is always to accuse others of what they in fact do. The free mason are totally antivaxx as they promote an non vaccine for a silly claimed protection against a highly mobile virus.

Last resort: If the free masons tactics starts to fail, then they redefine the terms as done by the CDC/FDA FM/R/ /B delegates.

Now CDC claims that everything can be a vaccine. According to CDC's new "vaccine" definition orange juice is a vaccine or anything you can eat and helps to strengthen your immunity.

Looks pretty close to what Putin does.

Keep the eyes open! The western Oligarchs just have the better weapons to kill (directly or indirectly) the population. How many lost business due to the crazy CoV-19 imposed terror rules? Who profits from higher base material prizes? Who can now deliver some 100 billion worth weapons??

Oh yes the FM/R/ /B wants to save the planet...

Switzerland did reach the goal:: 99.9% Omicron https://www.covid19.admin.ch/de/overview

Now we go on with vaccinating the whole population with Omicron. We still have about 3000 cases/mio with a positive rate of 40%. so Switzerland has around 200'000 infected at least and most have no real symptoms.

And please forget all death statistics latest since mid February. All deaths you see are with Omicron not from. Some few are long time softly killed delta state terror victims.

Quote from RobertBryant

What's the problem with mRNA vaccine?

The problem is it stopped being a nice MRNA long ago

It stopped playing nicely

Round about 2008..

Biontech wrote this

https://www.researchgate.net/p…_and_Biological_Stability

Incorporation of Pseudouridine Into mRNA Yields Superior Nonimmunogenic Vector With Increased Translational Capacity and Biological Stability

A not so nice mRNA which would evade the natural cellular defense which destroys mRNA very quickly.

This synthetic pseudouridine mRNA could stay around for weeks in the cell.

and end up in your spleen

then there was a problem to get it into the cell.

Well give it a lipid envelope..

the problem with this is that you fool the natural cell defenses so they end up

taking it in just like a retro virus

and then Pfizer says

oh but it can't get into the nucleus.

why not?

what stops it getting another lipid envelope.

Who understands the complexity of the internals of lipid transport in the cell.

Does Pfizer.?

Does Moderna?

Does our biology anti ANTIVAX ignoramus THH?

Does our Professor Rot?well?

Certainly not?

No.. this requires another few decades of work.

But anyone who questions the safety of mRNA vaccines is ANTIVAX

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Maybe our resident warriors could learn from chimps?

What Chimpanzees Know About Giving Medicine

New observations of chimpanzees in Gabon lead researchers to wonder if the tendency for self-medication and medicating others really is unique to humans.

What Chimpanzees Know About Giving Medicine

New observations of chimpanzees in Gabon lead researchers to wonder if the tendency to medicate ourselves and others is unique to humans.

www.sapiens.org

You are all homeopathically exposed to the vaccines and viruses anyways. Might as well write your wills and wait for death.

Antibody evasion properties of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron sublineages

Antibody evasion properties of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron sublineages - Nature

Abstract

The identification of the Omicron variant (B.1.1.529.1 or BA.1) of SARS-CoV-2 (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2) in Botswana in November 20211 immediately raised alarms due to the sheer number of mutations in the spike glycoprotein that could lead to striking antibody evasion. We2 and others3-6 recently reported results in this Journal confirming such a concern. Continuing surveillance of Omicron evolution has since revealed the rise in prevalence of two sublineages, BA.1 with an R346K mutation (BA.1+R346K, also known as BA.1.1) and B.1.1.529.2 (BA.2), with the latter containing 8 unique spike mutations while lacking 13 spike mutations found in BA.1. We therefore extended our studies to include antigenic characterization of these new sublineages. Polyclonal sera from patients infected by wild-type SARS-CoV-2 or recipients of current mRNA vaccines showed a substantial loss in neutralizing activity against both BA.1+R346K and BA.2, with drops comparable to that already reported for BA.12,3,5,6. These findings indicate that these three sublineages of Omicron are antigenically equidistant from the wild-type SARS-CoV-2 and thus similarly threaten the efficacies of current vaccines. BA.2 also exhibited marked resistance to 17 of 19 neutralizing monoclonal antibodies tested, including S309 (sotrovimab)7, which had retained appreciable activity against BA.1 and BA.1+R346K2-4,6. This new finding shows that no authorized monoclonal antibody therapy could adequately cover all sublineages of the Omicron variant, except for the recently authorized LY-CoV1404 (bebtelovimab).

Quote from Wyttenbach

Yes! Real data shows the mess:: https://www.zeit.de/gesundheit…pfreaktionen-krankenkasse

German health care provider shows its customers had about 7x more severe (provider had to pay for it) adverse reactions than the German health mafia RKI documents... This is base data that triggers all fake fact checkers to simply deny it...

Here an article (in German) that shows how the top people of German FM/R/B mafia block sections of CoV-19 "vaccine" deaths (part in yellow). Of course they are indirectly bribed by Pfizer....

Covid-Impfungen: «Heftiges Warnsignal» - infosperber

Eine Krankenkasse äussert den starken Verdacht auf eine «sehr erhebliche Untererfassung» von möglichen Impf-Nebenwirkungen.

www.infosperber.ch

UK basic data week 9 : https://assets.publishing.serv…illance-report-week-9.pdf

Of course nobody likes the data. Age 18..39 still dies more often when vaxx only as the data includes all recovered > 70% under vaxx.

It's a pain to see that finally medical crap kills more young people about 100/mio directly because of heart issues, than CoV-19 would ever kill despite the UK terror of no treatment.

It's great to have the UK data and also great to see how the mafia tries make it less telling instead of improving it by removing the recovered.

So far the western CoV-19 terror regime did still cause more damage than Putins mad war. We too have to remove all the sick people that control the health sector including big pharma. We should freeze all assets of people that did make huge gains in the CoV-19 raid!

Forbes Son of Cold Fusion 2013

Physics Today

DOI:10.1063/PT.4.2409

19 Mar 2013 in Commentary & Reviews

"Son of Cold Fusion: Forbes.com Returns Attention to Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions" Spirited interest from two NASA scientists leads to new information about an old controversy....

By Steven T. Corneliussen

Quote

At NASA, two scientists' enthusiasm for research on low-energy nuclear reactions (LENRs) has led to the production of public-relations materials. At Forbes.com, the website of the nearly century-old business magazine Forbes, the news from NASA has inspired contributor Jeff McMahon to add to the flurry of media interest seen last year at US News, Nature, and the Guardian.

Forbes.com itself lists 13 articles involving LENRs from 2011 and 2012. Now it has posted two columns by McMahon: 'NASA: A nuclear reactor to replace your water heater' and 'Tiny nuclear reactions inside compact fluorescent bulbs?' The water-heater piece appeared nine days after NASA posted online the public-relations write-up 'News: The nuclear reactor in your basement' on 13 February.

Source

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Hope the understand it..

Quote from Wyttenbach

Of course they are indirectly bribed by Pfizer....

Is that when they put cash into your back pocket instead of into your bank?

Actually you should be very careful about such statements. None of us want to be slapped with a libel suit over what is in legal terms an unproven allegation.made by a member.

What are you suggesting, Alan Smith should we censor @Wyttenbach's comments? Surely we still have 'freedom of speech' according to the British Model of Democracy?

Should I make an appeal to the Queen, who is our Head of State? Freedom of speech is inherent to our democratic UK state.........we all know, as does the Queen, that it is not possible to trust politicians of any political persuasion. All politicians are trained as LIARS, and usually the BEST LIARS WIN!!!!