Industrial Heat Files Motion to Dismiss Rossi Lawsuit

  • better understand the culture of Tom Darden and Mr Weaver, read carefully the following links:


    The Pennsauken project
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10…eal-new-jersey-style.html
    http://www.nj.com/news/index.s…bpoenas_are_issued_f.html


    The two bankruptcies in Feb 2016
    http://www.postandcourier.com/…e/20160208/PC05/160209426


    EnCap (Owned by Cherokee Investment Partners) bankruptcy in 2008
    http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/…kruptcy_filing_risks.html


    the readers will understand.

  • Ultrasure, how dare you??


    Didn't you just read that Mr. Weaver only hopes to bring LENR as quickly as possible to the masses, and that Rossi prevents investment in the field by sucking up all the funding?

  • Monty - coin-flipping odds are much better than anything we're seeing in the LENR sector right now.


    Fairly good then! Since most science and technology pioneering efforts represent literally dozens to thousands of generally unsuccessful, but at least instructive, experiments until a mature technology is introduced.

  • Surprise Surprise ..... the pattern continues.. When cornered, Team Rossi reverts to regurgitation of what they think is big news in an effort to denigrate Darden and the IH LENR funding efforts. How many times are they going to replay this hyperubermegaconspiracy card while totally and continually to ignoring the warts and hickeys on their hero? These guys give astroturfing a bad name and I think we have some new terms to apply here - fabriturfing, slanderturfing, libelsurfing....


    Regarding Cherokee, one more time, billions of dollars in deals and a handful of them did not go as planned.

  • Why did IH recommend not to listen to any communication not vetted by them, and why are you not a verified user, reverse-hypeman heckler Doobie Waiver?

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    Perhaps we should try another angle and see if we can make some progress. In your opinion, where would LENR research be today without the ongoing IH investment to date of $70M into the field?


    IH has an excellent team of researchers assembled and continues to build out that team. With apologies, there are no plans to disclose any of those details in the near future.



    To move to positive vision, can you say more on how is used the 70M$. is it planned research? at which timescale? partially allocated? done expenses ?


    Is it "the ecosystem or researchers" that Darden was talking about at ICCF19?

  • Thank you Alan, I greatly appreciate that offer - no sense in working backwards on the slander and libel as that is useful for other reasons. I'll ping you on any future postings that I consider libelous and you can decide on merit from there.


    Regarding your other question, I'm not presently at liberty to share details around the IH R&D plans and hope that you understand that position.

  • Alainco - I apologize for not being able to share more details around the IH R&D spend and hope that you understand. With the exception of the recent and ongoing unpleasantness, I can assure you that we are pleased with the effort-to-date and plan to invest more resources into this sector moving forward. This is a long term project that is in my opinion, at the earliest, 5 years from a solution that can be put to work as an energy source / pollution mitigation solution.

  • better understand the culture of Tom Darden and Mr Weaver, read carefully the following links:

    What's shown here? Does it involve Dewey Weaver? What are these stories about?

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    The Pennsauken project
    nytimes.com/2005/10/30/nyregio…eal-new-jersey-style.html
    nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/03/…bpoenas_are_issued_f.html

    The first is an investigative journalist writing a piece of polemic, it is not ordinary sober reporting. It uses words creating "story" that are not rooted in fact. It's an analysis of a case, Vineland Construction Company v. Township of Pennsauken. and it repeats allegations from the plaintiff as if they are evidence of something bad. "The ultimate backroom deal." The plaintiff, in 2004, obviously prosecuted the case as if something was slimy or sleazy, including subpeonaing emails, which then showed that ... Cherokee partners was lobbying. Shocking, I know. A company proposing a billion dollar redevelopment plan met with politicians! They made donations to political organizations! The rats!


    This was a losing strategy. What was the situation?

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    Vineland Construction says the township, after supporting its proposal to redevelop its piece of the Pennsauken waterfront, surreptitiously shunted it aside in late 2003 at the behest of Cherokee. Unless the judge rules otherwise, the township may now take Vineland's property by eminent domain and sell it to Cherokee.


    The lawyer for Vineland, Lloyd D. Levenson, said in his closing statement, "This was a backroom deal with front room justification."


    Lawyers for Cherokee and the township say there is nothing wrong with municipal officials sidelining one developer in favor of another, even without a bidding process, and nothing nefarious about lobbying.

    So what happened? Well, Vineland lost. This went to appeal, and it's covered on http://www.hillwallack.com/?t=40&an=15660

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    In the reported case of Vineland Construction Co.v.Tp.of Pennsauken, there was no dispute over the issue of whether the plaintiff’s property was eligible for redevelopment. However, the plaintiff did contest the proposition that only the master redeveloper chosen by the town could develop any of the lands within the designated area in need of redevelopment. Two of the three Appellate Division judges hearing the appeal ruled that the municipality’s choice of the master redeveloper was lawful, and that it was also lawful for the municipality to decide that only the master redeveloper (not the plaintiff property owner) could develop the land pursuant to the redevelopment plan. However, one Appellate Division judge dissented, in a most interesting opinion. That judge would have held that, given the opinion in Gallenthin and the United States Supreme Court’s opinion in Kelo v. City of New London, it was unlawful for the municipality to prevent the plaintiff property owner from developing its land pursuant to the redevelopment plan. The dissenting judge noted that there was no reason, under the facts of this case, why the plaintiff’s land could not be developed by someone other than the designated master redeveloper.

    The legal issue here was whether or not the town had the right to make a choice. The majority opinion was that they did. Now, how is this relevant here? Well, of course, Cherokee Partners was the choice of the town to be the master developer. About Cherokee, the journalist writes:

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    The Petty's Island plan infuriated environmental advocates, and at first they had an ally in the state's environmental commissioner, Bradley M. Campbell. But Cherokee, a North Carolina company that in the last half-dozen years has also been awarded contracts to clean up and redevelop contaminated sites in the Meadowlands, Camden, Elizabeth and other urban areas, had its own allies in Trenton.

    Journalists love stories about what could be political corruption. Gets people fired up. The background is a political battle. Why were "environmental advocates" "infuriated"? That isn't stated. Regardless, when the town decided it would take Vinelands property by eminent domain, Vineland protested that this was due to political corruption. This is not the way to get a town to do what you want, I'd suggest. You'd better have proof, not just innuendo! Nothing described in the journalist's story, if established by evidence in the trial, would rise to the level of proof. Suspicion, yes, but it does not take much to create suspicion!


    What happened then? The next linked story is from 2010.

    To someone who wants to toss mud, "subpoenas" means someone is guilty. Something Bad happened. Unfortunate word "replaced," about families. "Relocated" would be the word. It's hard to find good help.
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    So then, Encap. What does "behind" mean with respect to this? The driver of the plan, or a venture capital company that supported it? Venture capital companies support risky plans, that's what they do. Many of these fail, not just a few. But the ones that succeed, if the company is competent, more than make up for that.


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    [...] EnCap (Owned by Cherokee Investment Partners) bankruptcy in 2008 nj.com/news/ledger/topstories/…kruptcy_filing_risks.html

    EnCap was an ambitious redevelopment project in Bergen County, New Jersey. The story is poorly written. How much state and county money was at risk? Different figures are given. However, let's summarize it as "a lot." However, in a bankruptcy, the assets of the company will generally be sold. The headline says $50 million in state funds are at risk. But the losses are possibly much greater, because there were private investors. Like Cherokee Partners. Because of the sums involved, I'd expect there to be serious investigation. The story is claiming lack of oversight. Whether or not there was anything corrupt involved, though, is not actually alleged. Projects fail on Planet Earth. Even big projects. It looks like the issue here was unexpectedly high cost for "fill material" for landfills, at least that is what EnCap was claiming. The story, as could be expected, points out that

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    The public relations bills included $31,000 for a reception at the 2004 groundbreaking, $13,000 for "novelty items" and $1,000 for centerpieces, according to state records. Some of the invoices submitted by EnCap were so vague it's not clear whether they were for legitimate, cleanup-related expenses, according to the inspector general.

    Is that all? If someone submitted fraudulent invoices, they are in big trouble, personally. One is protected as an officer of a corporation from prosecution for errors of the corporation, but not against prosecution for criminal acts, and knowingly submitting a fraudulent invoice would be criminal.


    Cherokee apparently lost money with EnCap. This proves what? That they can lose money? Underneath all this is the suspicion that they did something Wrong. They used corrupt influence to get the State to fund EnCap. But Cherokee was in the business of encouraging and funding environmental clean-up, which is expensive and risky. This is SOP.


    So one more link just underscores this:

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    The mortgage would be a secured loan, so WestRock may recover most of their loan out of the sale of the property (which they will bid on, according to the story). Cherokee may have lost $50 million if there are no other major assets. So what does this show? It shows, again, that Cherokee can lose money on a project. Were they breaking a sweat?


    http://fortune.com/2015/09/27/…-energy-nuclear-reaction/


    Cherokee Partners is, according to Fortune, a $2.2 billion private equity fund. Another story, bloomberg.com, claims that their minimum investment is $25 million. That is 1% of their assets.


    This is a great story, by the way, on cold fusion. Very clear. The best I have ever seen in major media. Starts out with the usual media introduction, cold fusion rejected as utterly bogus long ago, then it corrects that. Dardenhad his head on completely straight in that interview. I'm impressed. Darden has done his homework.


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    the readers will understand.

    Sure they will. If they read and understand context. If they are looking for confirmation of their ideas of Evil Rich Corporation, they will find it, but only by supplying a great deal that is not in the stories themselves, and that misses massive relevant facts. Cherokee has made losing investments. When they do that, they generally invested in a company. The company goes bankrupt. They lose their investment, but not beyond that. This is how corporations, and "LLCs" work. You risk your investment, but not beyond that. Those who lend money to a corporation, or who deal with a corporation know this.


    Sometimes chicanery is involved. Corporation takes out big loans, pays huge salaries and fees to someone involved, and then goes bankrupt. Sometimes the corporate veil can then be pierced. But if the salaries and fees were reasonable, under the circumstances, not. Nothing in the present lawsuit approaches anything like that. There is no bankruptcy. Collecting $89 million could be difficult, if IH cannot raise more capital, and there would be a risk that IH could go bankrupt if that is awarded, and this would be a practical certainty if the fraud charges remain and are sustained, but that's extremely unlikely. Cherokee invested, we know this, in multiple LENR ventures. Rossi was, apparently, the largest, but now that this went sour, there would be more movement toward other efforts.


    By attacking IH, Planet Rossi is attacking LENR, attempting to damage the major current investor in the field, out of loyalty to Rossi, apparently. Rossi himself, for reasons that have been explained, has probably blown his own work out of the water, if there was anything to it, which remains possible. LENR is still attractive to those willing to take risks, but ... there is no need to focus the risk on Rossi personally, and Rossi does not own all the cold fusion IP, and his patents are questionable based on prior work (Piantelli et al). Large investments are almost always made through corporations, for very sound reasons. Rossi has shown that he is not a trustworthy partner, his Complaint demonstrates that, amply. We don't need anything more.


    Deal with Rossi at your own risk. IH stands to lose more than $11.5 million on Rossi. (They spent a lot more than what they paid to Rossi). However, I assume, they gained a lot of experience in the study of LENR, and likely a better understanding of possible pitfalls. So the jury is out on all this. Darden and IH gave Rossi the full benefit of the doubt, that's obvious from the Rossi story. They bent over backwards to accommodate his demands. And balked at $89 million, for something that, it's appearing, had become useless to them.


    Some on Planet Rossi are saying that Rossi did not disclose the full IP, and that this is why IH could not confirm Rossi's claims in their own experiments. Somehow they miss that, if so, Rossi did not fulfill on his obligations under the Agreement, and therefore IH doesn't owe him the $89 million, and might owe the return of the $10 million for that IP. And this would be so even if the ERV report was positive and even if the GPT showed Wonderful COP.

  • Abd - thank you for taking the time to study this and to share your opinions. This is very helpful in combating the repetitive and delusional ruminations of Team Rossi.


    Sadly, I think that a serious issue is behind Rossi's inability to process and deal with reality. This link was sent to me recently and some familiar behavior is resonating with the listed symptoms. I'm starting to wonder if this needs further exploration:


    https://www.psychologytoday.co…tions/delusional-disorder

  • Abd - thank you for taking the time to study this and to share your opinions. This is very helpful in combating the repetitive and delusional ruminations of Team Rossi.


    Sadly, I think that a serious issue is behind Rossi's inability to process and deal…



    Your whole "Team Rossi" thing is funny to me, because people who have hopes in Rossi today are just where you were 3 years ago (without the 10 million investment).


    You remind of born-again religious people, or ex-smokers/obese; and how once they have changed they become very critical of people who haven't made the shift. Is there a psychological term for that?

  • The joke of the day ...


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