Rossi vs. Darden developments [CASE CLOSED]

  • The Court seems to have come to the conclusion that JMP was Rossi (emphasis added)


    "

    THE COURT: okay. I'm only going to allow you to get


    18 the communications regarding the E-Cat testing, not all


    19 communications between them. I find that it's not relevant,


    20 there's no showing that they were anything but independent. You


    21 know, in the other area you're able to come to me and show me


    22 that Rossi was -- you know, this company was actually Rossi.


    23 Here, you know, you're talking about five people who are, you


    24 know, respected people."

  • Anyways, the whole alumina-emissivity question is a waste of time.


    Simply make a nice, easy to measure tube of 100% alumina glowing hot, no fuel (empty even), use the Lugano emissivity method (total emissivity for both the IR camera and radiant power calculations), and make a bogus "COP" of 3+.

  • Anyways, the whole alumina-emissivity question is a waste of time.


    Simply make a nice, easy to measure tube of 100% alumina glowing hot, no fuel (empty even), use the Lugano emissivity method (total emissivity for both the IR camera and radiant power calculations), and make a bogus "COP" of 3+.

    put the alumina tube inside a steel tube with know emistivity then do the IR. Oh and do a calibration run at the same temp

  • There were earlier tests performed with hot cat reactors inside of stainless steel tubes. These seemed to show excess heat. There were reports written about them. And from what I remember Rossi posting somewhere, after one stunning melt down in which a reactor went from 1000C to 2000C in seconds and melted the ceramic, the professors asked him to reduce the power output (I'm guessing adjust the formula) so they would be more stable.

  • put the alumina tube inside a steel tube with know emistivity then do the IR. Oh and do a calibration run at the same temp


    More complicated than required.

    If a pure alumina rod can make the same IR-based "COP" as the Lugano device, then the "reaction", "fuel", etc. are moot.

    I started with making null devices, to understand what the null should look like so that I could more easily recognize real excess heat when it appeared.

    That was as far as I needed to go. As soon as I started with the IR, the problem was immediately evident.

    I could make a fake COP of 3 with an 8 cm square of alumina.


    I have a hard time stomaching all the Lugano fuel experiments when almost no one actually tried the IR method for more than a few minutes (MFMP), when simply doing the IR test as described in the Lugano report would clearly blow a huge hole in the whole Lugano hypothesis.

  • I still don't understand why Rossi is bring up Lugano. Its working or not working doesn't seem to be relevant to his case against IH. I also don't understand the relevance of IH talking to some professor elsewhere. I don't think they had anything to do with Doral or any testing in NC. The case is not if Rossi ever saw excess, it is about if Doral was the GPT and if that gave excess heat at the levels and length of times agreed to.


    It reminds me of a magician that says "look over there " or " look here". People can go around and around about emissivity and desires for Nobel prizes but that doesn't have any effect on what happened in Doral in 2015-2016.

  • @oldguy


    I actually think it is odd as well. Both Rossi and IH are putting great emphasis on the tests leading up to Doral. Darden apparently even felt it was necessary to try and influence that narrative, in what appears like an attempt to tamper with a potential witness. I think Darden felt like he needed to discredit those earlier tests, and the professors involved, to place IH in a stronger position before a jury with respect to the Doral test. And so it looks like he went about using his means and influence to do that.

    • Official Post

    I'm actually impressed by Darden's initial depth of understanding and perception of the situation, and it shows me he was sincere, at least initially. I think by February of 2016 he was panicking. He made an apparently miscalculated (and probably rushed) decision to bring in the Israelis in an attempt to underhandedly influence Levi, and possibly others. What I keep going to in my mind: why did Darden feel that it was necessary to go to such lengths if IH was as confident about their position as Dewey makes it seem. Why would Darden have to go to such lengths if there was nothing of interest here? There is something very fishy going on here, and we haven't seen the bottom of it yet.

    I think all in all it points to there be something very important at the heart of this story: i.e., that the e-Cat probably works to some degree. Maybe not at 50 COP. But the IH folks have not pulled out all of the stops--for nothing.


    IHFB,


    I think a lot of us can agree with what you said. Welcome to the club!

  • oldguy ,

    It is the ace in the hole if the GPT succeeds in estoppel. IE: Even if the Doral Test was the GPT, it doesn't matter because it did not possibly perform as suggested if the reactors don't actually work.

    IH probably also wants to know if any of these professors that supported a device that IH itself cannot operate is complicit in any sort of scheme, or if they are truly independent.

    So far they all seem to be independent.

    I don't know if Levi was actually threatened, but it was probably creepy and after years of harassment by crazy debunkers and supporters, got him worried. He was cautions enough to take photos. Using the word 'FUD', he demonstrates a suspicious characteristic, and possibly some reading of blogs, etc.

    I don't suppose any of the Professors like being blabbed about on blogs, etc. while they almost always avoid any response.

  • I believe this alleged event occurred before the lawsuit was filed, so the people were not "potential witnesses" to anything. You cannot tamper with a witness when there is no trial.


    It appears that the alleged scheme was initiated in February, 2016, prior to the filing of the lawsuit, but then continued to play out well into 2016, after the lawsuit was filed. See Levi's sworn declaration.

    • Official Post

    OG,


    On top of what Paradigmnoia said, in one of his case submissions Rossi accused IH of being incompetent, as they had been unsuccessful in replicating his tech, where the "Royal Academy of Sciences (Nobel dudes)", or who we know as the Lugano profs, were successful. The implications being that if they could not do that right, they are a bunch of bumbling idiots not to be trusted with things, say...like the GPT.


    Also, part of IH's counter suit claims Rossi did not give them a working technology they paid $10 million for, making their patents they bought the rights to -worthless. If Rossi could convince a jury, or judge, that Lugano...er I mean the Nobel team, proved that one of Rossi's techs worked in overunity, IH's claims were meritless, and their request for their money back would be denied.

  • Rossi accused IH of being incompetent, as they had been unsuccessful in replicating his tech, where the "Royal Academy of Sciences (Nobel dudes)", or who we understand as the Lugano profs, were successful. The implications being that if they could not do that right, they are a bunch of bumbling idiots not to be trusted with things, say...like the GPT


    ....not to be trusted with things, say...like the GPT.


    Or maybe choosing Nobel Prizes? (not just to Rossi)...

  • Judge Altonga thinks that it was a bad thing, however. Wrists were slapped.


    I don't see that, yet. Are you sure you didn't fall into the [PROPOSED] trap, of thinking this was the Court's actual ruling?


    Remember, every motion filed (by any party) MUST include the [PROPOSED] ruling that they hope to achieve. For Rossi, that is document 167-01.


    I don't see any actual court order 'slapping wrists' from either judge. Yet.


    (It's easy to miss the [PROPOSED], which has mislead many of us (including me at first).


    There is a hearing scheduled for March 14, however, and I assume they will discuss this and rule on Rossi's motion for sanctions after that.

  • In the Motion for Sanctions (167) the Plaintiff asserts :

    "Further, Weaver falsely represented that the reactor body was made from Durapot 810, as opposed to pure alumina."


    When in the transcript (167.08) it reports:

    "

    HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL PORTIONS- ATTORNEYS' EYES ONLY


    Page 249


    1 Q. Then you wrote: "As you may know, the


    2 plug results came back 99 percent pure alumina and


    3 did not match the reactor body, which was made from


    4 Durapot 8 10.


    5 How did you learn that?


    6 A. Because I have the can that it was made


    7 from and I talked to the person that made them.


    8 Q. And who is that?


    9 A. T. Barker Dameron.


    10 Q. So T. Barker Dameron made the reactor


    11 body?


    12 A. Yes. And we have -- we still have some


    13 of this Durapot 8 10.

    .........................


    From the WO2015127263 patent application we have:


    27 August 2015 (27.08.2015)

    (72) Inventors: ROSSI, Andrea; 1331 Lincoln Rd., Apt. 601,

    Miami, Florida 33139 (US). DAMERON, Thomas Barker;

    336 White Oak Rd., Raleigh, North Carolina 27609

    (US).

    [0075] In some embodiments, an optional refractory layer 18 with supports 20 are positioned


    around the resistance wires 16 to thereby hold the wires in position. As illustrated, the refractory layer


    18 has a ribbed or finned surface, which may increase heat dissipation away from the reaction


    chamber 12. It should be understood, however, that the refractory layer 18 may omit the ribbed or


    finned surface, and may instead have a smooth, rough or other surface configuration. The refractory


    layer 18 and supports 20 may be omitted in some embodiments. The refractory layer 18 may be


    formed of a thermally conductive material
    and may be electrically resistant to reduce or prevent


    shorting or arcing events. In some embodiments, the refractory layer 18, supports 20 and sealing


    members 14 are formed of an alumina base. For example, an alumina base with volume resistivity o.f


    1011 ohm-cm or better, dielectric strength of270 volts/mil or better, thermal expansion of 4.5 1O-6/defF


    or lower, and thermal conductivity of 15 BTU-in/defF-Hr-ft2 or higher, such as Durapot™ 810




    (Cotronics Corp., Brooklyn, NY (USA)), is suitable.

  • @Paradigmnoia


    A few possibilities:


    1) The reactor body (not the plugs) really was made of Durapot 8 10T, Dameron told Dewey that, and Dewey correctly stated that in his sworn testimony.


    2) The reactor body was not made of Durapot 8 10T, Dameron told Dewey a fib, and Dewey correctly stated what he thought was true in his sworn testimony.


    3) The reactor body was not made of Durapot 8 10T, Dameron told Dewey that, and Dewey unintentionally mis-spoke or did not remember correctly in his sworn testimony.


    4) The reactor body was not made of Durapot 8 10T, Dameron told Dewey that, and Dewey perjured himself in his sworn testimony.


    There might be others, but I think this captures the most likely ones.

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