Does This Patent REVEAL me356's Secret Sauce?

  • Me356's progression of studying LENR systems, getting minimal results, going back to the original work of Focardi/Piantelli, enhancing his fuel processing to get better results (due to enhancing the breathing process), and then controlling the production of atomic hydrogen to "set" his COP wherever he wished makes absolute perfect sense to me. He actually shared a ton of information with us. What he did not convey were the exact fuel treatment protocols (baking, vacuum degassing, flushing with hydrogen, degassing again, repeat) for specific brands/types/sizes of nickel wires or powders. In my opinion, which anyone should feel free to take with a grain of salt, is ninety percent of making these reactions work. Producing atomic hydrogen via a variety of methods is the remaining ten percent.


    Fuel treatment allows for the creation of reaction sites that allow LENR to take place. The production and application of atomic hydrogen control the amount of excess heat produced.



  • Thanks for keeping this level of discussion alive. There are important possible distinctions here. The electrolytic "Nernst pressure" compared with the deceleration energy experienced by an electron or proton collision with a condensed matter surface. While admiting that some aspect here may be unifying, my recollection is that a Nernst overpotential nearing even 1 volt can result in immense pressure at or near the electrode surface, Tadahiko Mizuno mentions this and has it as far greater than the solar core. While the Lipinski's see their highest Q values (surrogate for COP) of thousands in the presence of square wave potentials and argon admixture.


    One key metric implicit here is that potential gradients at the interfaces involved is best comparatively measured as " volts per cm" or the equivalent. That is the steepness of the gradient is a key parameter.


    I'm curious of how to compare an electrolytic gradient (for example the 2 maximum volts mentioned) to a gas phase hydrogenation procedure at a certain pressure and temperature. For example, how do we compare that 2 volt gradient in an electrolytic cell to H2 in an E-Cat reactor at lets say ten bar (a figure Me356 said he didn't want to exceed) at different temperatures?

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    I don't think he is.


    I think Robert Greenyer once mentioned it, but I don't want to spread some misinterpretations here.


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    Bob Greeneyer claimed at some point that the "breakthrough" of understanding came when me356 bought his very own SEM (scanning electron microscope) to analyze the ash


    Well, it doesn't look like the typical Ukrainian approach. But after then I don't understand, why he does his experiments in bricked-wall basements for years. Some of his multimeters are these cheapest ones available.

    And it's not clear for me, what you can get by looking at some ash with SEM. This looks like complete waste of time and resources for me.


  • If muon production is an issue -- it is far too early to know for certain -- then design considerations in the active reactor may reduce emissions into the environment. For example, my understanding about holmids work is that kaons decay into muons. If you have matter in extremely close proximity to the kaons, perhaps they can be thermalized before they transform into muons and are more difficult to contain. For example, having lots of free open space in the center of a reactor could possibly give kaons the space to decay into muons. By using solid fuel, this could possibly be avoided.


    My philosphy is to push this technology out to the world. Once scientists everywhere are willing to admit it is real, then there will be thousands of teams working on how to mitigate any unwanted emissions.

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    Bob Greeneyer claimed at some point that the "breakthrough" of understanding came when me356 bought his very own SEM (scanning electron microscope) to analyze the ash

    Well, it doesn't look like the typical Ukrainian approach. But after then I don't understand, why he does his experiments in bricked-wall basements for years.

    But it's not clear for me, what you can get by looking at some ash
    with SEM. This looks like complete waste of time and resources for me.


    According to Bob Greenyer, Me356 now claims to have a working system that he normally operates at a COP of 10 but that he can push up to forty or even higher if he so desires -- but he typically doesn't do so for safety reasons. Also, interestingly, this system only uses nickel and hydrogen. Regardless what he found with the SEM, it is not critical to producing copious excess heat. Me356 has been able to do that for a long time. My hope is that he will keep his promise to this community and share the knowledge has gathered so the NiH effect can be replicated far and wide.

  • Bill Gates did work out of a garage at first, because he did not have a lot of money. He did not work by himself . . .

    I think you mean Steve Wozniak, not Bill Gates. Bill Gates worked out of Harvard University, and then an old shopping plaza in Albuquerque, NM. Woz worked pretty much by himself. I gather Jobs was more a nuisance than a help, since he was not a technical guy, despite his later reputation.


    Gates was not alone. See (people who looked like me in 1978 -- you can always tell a programmer, but you cannot tell him much):


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…:Microsoft-Staff-1978.jpg

  • out of fear they may try to stop my progress

    Conspiracy theories about "MIB" are silly. Why not ask Magicsound how many "suits" have been hanging around him! :)


    Me356 might have a goal of relieving suffering and disease in the villages of Africa.

    If anyone wants to help Africa, the only way LENR will do that is if it is available at a very reduced cost. Rossi's 1 million dollar plants will not be sold in African villages as they cannot afford that! The only way LENR will help the poor is if it becomes extremely economically viable. Which means it needs to be high volume production. If ME356 wants to help Africans, he needs to enlist MFMP or better yet, the Bill Gates foundation. Someone who is spending literally billions of dollars trying to help the poor AND it seems is open to LENR as evidenced by the Texas research investment.


    I am not putting down ME356 as I do not know him, never met him nor have I seen any legitimate results from him. I am just saying that if people want LENR to become a reality, it needs to be pushed out of the basements into a real research environment. What ME356 is doing is either unlikely to be real or has a low likelihood of succeeding.


    While it is true that ME356 could have something, the chances are extremely remote that he will succeed at it. If Rossi had anything at all, he has not been able to bring it to commercialization. It was outside his ability. Just because someone discovers something, that does not mean they understand or have the capability to master it.


    I agree with Hans Moog that if ME356 was just wanting attention, he would post more. I just hope he is not someone who is trolling just for the fun of it.

  • I think Robert Greenyer once mentioned it, but I don't want to spread some misinterpretations here.


    According to Bob Greenyer he's "somewhere in eastern Europe"; he's also said this during the latest Stanford meeting, of which I posted a partial transcription here:

    Stanford Energy Club: Nuclear Community Kickoff: Developments in Lattice Energy Reactions


    I'm not into doxxing, but it's pretty straightforward to figure out where if you've followed his experiments since he first appeared here.

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    I'm not into doxxing, but it's pretty straightforward to figure out where if you've followed his experiments since he first appeared here.


    The revealing country is not doxxing. Bog Greenyer is essentially my neighbor who I know in person, as I'm living in Brno too. It could be anywhere in Eastern Europe block.

  • The revealing country is not doxxing. Bog Greenyer is essentially my neighbor who I know in person, as I'm living in Brno too. It could be anywhere in Easter Europe block.


    It's been suggested by Bob and the moderators here that even just posting that information is not desired, no matter if it's obvious.

  • BTW The fast thyratrons did use both nickel electrodes, both hydrogen. Because hydrogen gets adsorbed with electrodes gradually, they were equipped with their own hydrogen reservoir from titanium hydride.

    For me it's just strange, that their radioactivity did remain unnoticed. The glass of thyratrons got blackened in similar way, like these used X-ray lamps (natural or artificial radiation reduces silicone from glass).


    Thyratronsmall.jpg kqmG12zm.jpg  D3BR15Wm.jpg 


  • First of all, I'm not talking about Men in Black necessarily. I'm talking about corporate interests.


    Secondly, no one in the MFMP including magicsound have witnessed a single highly significant result for the entire time they have been testing. Maybe a few stray blips here and there or a tiny touch of excess heat, but nothing close to what would attract attention.


    Thirdly, I don't think LENR is nearly as complicated as most people think. This is basically the message he tried to impart to us. Once he was able to get his fuel processing optimized his results vastly improved. I think once someone has the know how LENR is something that can be researched in a small garage lab. Now, I agree that eventually we want big and well staffed labs involved. We want LENR generators that can power spaceships that can take us across the solar system. But starting off while you are trying to figure out what to do with your "hot potato" working in your garage is perfectly acceptable.


    If you have not read through ALL of his posts on LENR Forums, I highly advise you to do so. Several times I skipped around only reading several from one time period or another. But when you read them from beginning to end you see a logical progression of how his understanding increased. It is how science is supposed to work, IMO.

  • BTW The fast thyratrons did use both nickel electrodes, both hydrogen. Because hydrogen gets adsorbed with electrodes gradually, they were equipped with their own hydrogen reservoir from titanium hydride.

    For me it's just strange, that their radioactivity did remain unnoticed. The glass of thyratrons got blackened in similar way, like these used X-ray lamps (natural or artificial radiation reduces silicone from glass).


    Thyratronsmall.jpg kqmG12zm.jpg  D3BR15Wm.jpg 


    Fascinating! I was actually reading articles about thyratrons the other night. Could you tell us more about how they grew radioactive?


    Also, if they used nickel, how well did that nickel perform as a thermionic emitter of electrons? I know nickel melts at a temperature that is far lower than Tungsten, so was the electron output comparable for pure nickel?

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    Could you tell us more about how they grew radioactive?


    Nope, you forget to upvote me for it. No more sugar 4you. (Actually I just invented this stuff, I've no evidence for it).


    Nickel cathode is covered with oxides, borides or carbides for to improve the thermoemission. Nickel anode is usually etched with nitric acid to produce the super-black surface structure, so it cools itself by radiation.

  • Just a point of clarification: the rule against doxxing applies to LENR Forum members who wish to remain anonymous. At the present time it does not cover people who have never posted here. (Since me356 has posted here on occasion, he is protected by it.) (This is not to say that it might not be made more broad at some point.)

  • I just hope he is not someone who is trolling just for the fun of it.


    This is my working assumption. If this is not actually the case, then I assume he's simply pursuing an ineffective strategy, one that will go nowhere. But as of the present time, his behavior is indistinguishable from someone playing a hoax, Bob Greenyer's assurances to the contrary notwithstanding.

  • I don't think he is hoaxing anything. Bob Greenyer has met him in person. Furthermore, he posted multiple pictures of at least a few of his reactors. If you follow his post history from the start to finish, you'll see a natural progression from trying to learn about these systems, producing mediocre results, learning more and utilizing that knowledge, getting better results, getting fantastic results, and then semi-freaking out due to realizing that he'd unlocked an amazing technology that had massive implications because it was both fundamentally simple (even if sometimes tricky), extremely powerful, and if pushed to the extreme potentially dangerous.

  • For me it's just strange, that their radioactivity did remain unnoticed. The glass of thyratrons got blackened in similar way, like these used X-ray lamps (natural or artificial radiation reduces silicone from glass).


    Came back to this thread after looking a bit the subject of vacuum tubes - from which I think Rossi may have taken in part inspiration for his QuarkX. Thyratrons operated at a high voltage can become X-ray emitters too, which I think should be expected given how they work. There are some papers/reports available on the internet on the effect and implications on safety, but I don't think this has been linked to anomalous nuclear emission (but I've not searched yet in detail).


    http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4055482/

    http://www.iaea.org/inis/colle…ublic/39/016/39016846.pdf

    [etc.]

  • This patent seems to be somewhat similar to the Quark. Except instead of glow discharge, it seems like Rossi used an arc discharge in a very small volume. The result was an enormous amount of power in a tiny volume that even beats the claims of Black Light Power.


    You simply can't beat the power density or the simplicity of the Quark. If further third party testing verifies the results that have been reported, this is a simply phenomenal technology. Basically, it takes the original core of the Rossi Effect, stream lines it, and makes it as powerful as possible.

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    You simply can't beat the power density or the simplicity of the Quark.


    Hold on, you're trolling here again... :-) You have no idea, how the Quark-X reactor is constructed, neither how much of energy it actually produces.

    The only existing data available definitely don't enable to estimate it.


    Pot, Kettle! Don't be so ready to call other members Trolls, please. That might be construed to be trollish behaviour. Alan.

  • Rossi has defined a LENR reaction triggering mechanism in update 2 of his patent as an electrostatic field with an intensity between 50 and 100 Kilovolts.


    ME356 reactor video shows how the LENR reaction begins immediately after the electrostatic field is applied.


    https://vid.me/H2xn
    Excess heat onset from 0:55 when the camera shakes.



    the kerr effect activated the LENR process by applying a high voltage electric field to the ultra dense hydrogen and/or the polaritons that is produced by the catalyst and/or the nanoparticles.



    The kerr effect triggers the decay of nucleons and the subsequent production of mesons. The detection of muonst would verify the posit that PT symmetry breaking triggers proton decay in LENR.



    For more info on PT-symmetric non-Hermitian quantum-mechanical Hamiltonians and the complex number domain the triggers the decay of nucleons, see



    The process by which the proton decays in LENR

  • This is getting old. Seems MFMP has become the go-to organization for LENR scamer's to make their pitch, as they try and cash in on their fake overunity machines. me356 first, and now this Suhas. If you missed it; the BG audio makes it very clear that Suhas is a scammer. He plays the "good cop", and the bank the "bad cop". So silly on the face of it, but sometimes it works, as the Nigerians discovered. To their credit, MFMP appears very aware of what is happening.

    I would like to think Rossi ushered in this era of LENR+, but I think, unfortunately, others set the stage long ago. Can not help but wonder about the remaining 2 hopefuls....BEC and BrLP?

  • ||We need to clean out attic.:evil:

    need good old boring science, not revolution.


    Revolution is what industry engineers can do once the scientists establishes basic lab-rats and some theory to optimize on.

    Problem is that the lab guys need food, and only gov and corps today gives food, and they all feel concerned by what APS,Nature and DoE think.

  • This is getting old. Seems MFMP has become the go-to organization for LENR scamer's to make their pitch, as they try and cash in on their fake overunity machines. me356 first, and now this Suhas. If you missed it; the BG audio makes it very clear that Suhas is a scammer. He plays the "good cop", and the bank the "bad cop". So silly on the face of it, but sometimes it works, as the Nigerians discovered. To their credit, MFMP appears very aware of what is happening.

    I would like to think Rossi ushered in this era of LENR+, but I think, unfortunately, others set the stage long ago. Can not help but wonder about the remaining 2 hopefuls....BEC and BrLP?


    It's time to institute the Neville Chamberlain Award for Best Ignoring Warning Signals. Some worthy nominees:


    Tom Darden


    Bob Greenyer


    Mats Lewan