LION-AG Experiment

  • Or is it just to do as much as possible whenever possible given that everyone has a lot on their plates?


    I think that is probably the best answer from your multiple choice. We have no inhibitions, just that everybody is very busy, my data analysis colleague particularly so, since he is also the data-logger builder and tester. We aren't planning public livestreams, I swear too much. Anyway, that is MFMP's USP, and I wouldn't want to compete, they do it so well.

  • Since muons are most unlikely (despite Holmlid's claims), one can easily and safely assume that the count will decrease and carry out a series of tests with a barrier to see if there is a change in the count of some kind.


    Eric Walker : The new 4(6) model of nuclear and particle physics treats the muon as a resonance wave of the proton. If you add large amounts (Holmlid) of magnetic energy, then the highly perturbed Proton will decay. One possible (depending on added momentum/ rotation angle) path is the muon the other is the kaon(s).


    The resonances of the proton might be the key to LENR!

  • This little quartz cell is brewing electrolytically deuterated diamonds. By Monday they will have been brewing for a week. The nickel back of the pads appears to be swelling and crumbling, and the diamond face changing colour as they get doped with nickel(?). The Anode is a spiral of palladium wire, and the cathode (as mentioned before, a neo magnet with its outer coat soldered to a nickel wire. There are also some sam-co magnets attached to the cathode- they are growing whiskers like crazy. What can they be? I suspect that they are nickel particles....




    The other thing going on in the lab (mostly my baby this week) is assembling the reactor for our recycling experiments - lots of care and thought required, as well as plumbing, wiring and joinery.




    And this is what you see when you walk in the front door of our lab...




    And thanks (in large part) to the generosity of a couple of forum members, we also got this...just arrived today.



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    I can't be sure that the Pd anode is breaking down and plating onto the cathode, although the surface has blackened (from bright silver to dull grey) . The electrolyte is LiOD in D2O, the LiOD is made by dropping an approximately 0.5Gr chunk of freshly cut (degreased in Hexane) metal into 25ml of heavy water. Temperature is a few degrees above ambient (18C) since the voltage is low (5V) and the current draw less than 1 watt.

  • Alan Smith

    High current densities could make plating more likely (possibly), but the D2O is so precious that it might not be convenient to test this with it.


    Has H2O already been used with the same experiments so far or still not yet (e.g. on theoretical grounds that D2O would work better or for historical reasons, etc.)?

  • What's LION's opinion on why it failed to produce the expected results?

    May be the LION reactor is producing results that are not expected. Did the experimenter try testing the gamma count after heavy shielding is in place? This is a test for muon production.

  • Looks as though the ball is in LION's court right now.




    This says that producing the LENR active agent takes a great deal of talent and perseverance.

  • axil

    For what it's worth, as far as I am aware of, Ólafsson and Zeiner-Gundersen use those catalysts below 100-150 °C at most in the apparatus, with no attempt to activate them at higher temperatures before usage. However this isn't the right thread for discussing that; I've made a dedicated one earlier on.

  • axil

    For what it's worth, as far as I am aware of, Ólafsson and Zeiner-Gundersen use those catalysts below 100-150 °C at most in the apparatus, with no attempt to activate them at higher temperatures before usage. However this isn't the right thread for discussing that; I've made a dedicated one earlier on.

    Your are not talking about a Holmlid replication. You are talking about extending Holmlid's methods into LENR reaction production.

  • axil

    The catalysts used are the same, and so are the methods required to make them work. I could quote Holmlid's words form his papers suggesting exactly the same thing, which I will later in the other thread.


    Bottom line, relating this to the LION replication efforts on this thread, if you don't know what you're doing exactly and why, it's quite likely that you're going to have troubles getting the reaction started. That's also why I was interested knowing LION's opinion on why the reaction might have not worked, in addition to knowing more about the rationale behind the suggested preparation which experimenters have trusted without success.

  • Some more questions .... I am trying to understand what is known about the status of the LION reactor.


    1) Has the MFMP group in California performed any more LION experiments following the one that ended in mid April?


    2) Has LION himself reported anomalous heat in any more of his own reactors (other than the two that he later sent to Bob Greenyer?