Then I thought that neurons might be involved in the immune system as it allows for much more advanced control.
Actually I found this neurons and immune system
This is an interesting topic that starts with questions about conscious control of our autonomic nervous system, and ends somewhere in tantric buddhism. (Or maybe that should be the other way round).
Anyway… you might be interested this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4034215/
I read the Zephir_AWT link earlier today. Seemed rather straight forward until I read the comments section. That made me go back and re-read the abstract. It could have been better worded IMO.
As I understand it, vaccine induced immunity does not protect as well against breakthrough infection from the variants, as does acquiring natural immunity from infection by the original Alpha.
Is that how everyone understood it?
The abstract is poorly worded, as ambiguity remains in the sentence:
We find evidence for an increased risk of infection by the Beta (B.1.351), Gamma (P.1), or Delta (B.1.617.2) variants compared to the Alpha (B.1.1.7) variant after vaccination.
Does that mean: Getting vaccinated increases the risk of infection by a variant other than alpha? Or, that vaccines are less effective against variants other than alpha?
The only way to know for sure is to read more of the of the paper.
On first reading it, I assumed the first interpretation (and immediately wondered how the paper managed get published on medrxiv, who have stated they wish to avoid situations like this).
After reading the whole paper I realised I had likely been primed into this interpretation by the wholy misleading headline on the blog Zephir linked to:
“HashtagPathogenicPriming” being antivaxxer slang for ADE. Which can be a problem with some vaccines, but so far has always been spotted during the clinical trials phase (although it seemingly ignored by Philippino regulatory authorities, in the dengvaxia scandal). So far there is no evidence of ADE in covid vaccines, but that doesn’t stop it getting spaffed about by antivaxxers, in much the same way as the MMR/autism meme.
You are maybe thinking this means preprint that vaccinated population has a higher risk of infection than unavccinated? It is not what the preprint says.
The blog article appears to have fooled several people, and, this appears to have been the authors intentions - as judged from the comments underneath it.
After someone falls for the misleading subtext noted by Huxley, an argument develops over the correct interpretation.
Then up pops the blog’s author, who slyly manages to confirm ‘Andrew’s (and Huxley’s) interpretation is correct, but in a manner that leaves the duped antivaxxer readers still believing in the misleading subtext.
Clever… in a twisted and devious way.
Edit: Thinking about it, its hardly a ‘subtext’ with a title such as is - Its just straight up deception.
Your so called 'FactCheck organization' is a front for mis-information and built out of male cow manure.
I fear your wisdom will go unheeded.
...You can lead a horse to water - but you can't stop it from licking the ivermectin.
It’s what is known in the trade as a ‘Wyttenfact’…
Great answer... you claimed earlier all swiss patients with Covid under ICU care will die anyway, seems only 25%? What is right and what is wrong?
Stop picking on the mentally afflicted. You can’t expect a crazy person to remember all of their rants.
Of course "we" know that the unvaccinated ones were only admitted to the ICU due to worms (ivermectin not allowed to be administered of course), not severe COVID. lol.
No you fool! They secretly give Ivermectin to the ones that survive. Just give them the secret handshake and you’ll be fine.
The UK stats given are clearly not ICU stats though. I don't know what the ICU stats are.
Between 14 July and 2 September 2021, 203 patients with Covid-19 were admitted to intensive care units (ICU) across north east London (NEL). Of these, 90% (181) were not fully vaccinated, with most tending to be on average six years younger than patients admitted to ICU who are fully vaccinated.
Figures released by the Department of Health (DoH) showed that on Thursday this week, of those in Intensive Care Units (ICUs ) with Covid, 72% were unvaccinated, 8% had one dose and 20% had been double jabbed.
That is thought provoking. If it turns out to be true, it would explain why a few quality double-blind tests of ivermectin are positive.
Yep, there’s solid theory behind this idea… Plenty of (non-controversial) research shows that symptoms of auto-immune disorders can be reduced by introducing parasitic worms to the patients’ bowels - normally by eating hookworm eggs.
Killing the worms stops the immune suppressing molecules they use to survive an otherwise hostile environment… Obvious connotations here for covid.
There’s parts of India (and likely most of Asia) where nearly everyone carries a few ‘passengers’.
As Sars-Cov-2 variants emerge, the generation of highly specific, vaccine-induced antibodies will cause a suppression of antibodies that would be more suited to the variants.
In other words the vaccine has trained your immune system to produce very specific antibodies that very soon can become sub optimal.
Fair enough, although surely sub-optimal antibodies are better than no antibodies ?
In short, I expect that populations largely infected by the virus before substantial vaccine uptake will fare better in the longer term than countries that weren't
Well… “members of that population, that don’t die, may - or may not - fare better”, would appear to be a more reasonable ‘expectation’ based upon that link I had to find for you…
But like most anti-vax facebook memes, if the nuances were left intact, they wouldn’t spread so effectively. 
You could look up
Original Antigenic Sin
for a good start
Indeed I could, and I can read an explanation about how a persons antibodies are slightly less effective against variants of the virus that they were originally exposed too.
So what?
That’s hardly the “heavy price” you promised.
In fact, the very top google link offers up this bit of wisdom:
QuoteAlthough OAS has often historically been depicted as a problematic response, recent data have demonstrated that, in certain contexts, eliciting OAS may also be beneficial.
But a price will be paid later on.
Do you have a link (or a facebook meme) to back this up please?
Another nail in the TPFT/DLH* coffin…
After Dr Andrew Hill was slapped with an ‘expression of concern’ over his naive attempt at a meta-analysis of ivermectin results, he decided to do some actual science, and apply an appropriate amount of rigour to the likes of Elgazzar, Borody, and that Brazilian doctor accused of crimes against humanity, by assessing the Risk of Bias of each of the papers into one of four categories, and noting how this affects his original analysis.
Unsurprisingly, the shitshow of pay-to-play papers didn’t really stand up to this scrutiny, and now the former doyen of the antivaxxers is receiving (no doubt poorly spelt) death threats on all his socials.
I could link to his new paper, but in an effort to get through to the average ivermectard, its probably best to just post a pretty picture, and a nice summary of his work, with a lower reading age.
Best regards.
* Tide Pods For Trumpers / Darwin’s Little Helper / Ivermectin
Have your Ivermectin ready, Black cumin Sutherlandia, Nigella Sativa are good alternatives and most important take at least 2000 IU's V-D3/day plus 50mg zinc every third day.
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Most distressing. But the question is: why have the German-speaking nations behaved so (relatively) irresponsibly?
According to stereotype, Germans are seen as clear-thinking, commonsensical and profoundly practical.
But, at least when it comes to health matters, this is just not true. Or, to put it more precisely, a remarkably high proportion have for well over a century been ideologically charged fanatics for so-called natural medicine.
The problem with German-speakers. With apologies to Zorud…
When it comes to Covid, the last thing we in the UK should be is smug. Too many lives have been lost for that.
On the other hand, it is hard to suppress feelings of relative contentment in our own circumstances when we look at what is happening in Germany and Austria.
In Austria, yet another lockdown has just been imposed. And it looks as though one might soon be in force across Germany, which is also considering the introduction of mandatory vaccination.
The reason — apart from the virulence of the Delta Variant — was pointed out by the German health minister, Jens Spahn: 'We are currently experiencing a pandemic of the unvaccinated, which is massive.'
This was also the message of the country's disease control agency chief, Lothar Wieler: 'The fourth wave [of Covid] is developing in exactly the way we feared, because too few people have received the vaccine.'
The same is true of their fellow German-speaking cousins in Austria. This explains why a week ago, the government in Vienna imposed a lockdown on those who have refused to take the Covid vaccine.
Following this, British anti-vaxxers staged a demonstration outside the country's Embassy in London — although now the Austrians have extended the enforced social distancing measures to the entire population.
Opposition
Within Western Europe, the three outliers at the top of the 'vaccine refusal index' are Austria, Switzerland and Germany, with between 22 and 25 per cent unvaccinated among the population above the age of 12.
That is roughly twice as high as the percentage for the UK.
Here, thanks to the speedy and high take-up of the vaccination, the link between Covid infection and death has been, if not broken, then massively reduced.
The jabs, while they have waned in their impact on people's susceptibility to infection, remain highly effective against serious illness.
A startlingly clear demonstration was revealed in figures released by the Office for National Statistics covering the period from January to September 2021: they showed that, adjusted for age, the mortality rate for the unvaccinated with Covid-19 was 849.7 per 100,000, compared with 26.2 per 100,000 for those who were 'fully vaccinated'.
More simply: the unvaccinated had an infection mortality rate 32 times higher.
Above anything, this explains why the governments in Berlin and Vienna are now taking measures which our own sees no need to emulate, even though actual infections have been for most of the past few months much higher in the UK than elsewhere in Europe.
Because the vaccines have so much reduced the severity of the infection, only about 6 per cent of NHS hospital beds are currently occupied by Covid patients.
By contrast, in Austria and Germany there is now great fear that their hospitals will be overrun with unvaccinated Covid sufferers.
There are reports of corpses being stored in corridors in some hospitals in Austria, where the mortuaries are full: an ICU nurse in one such hospital told the local Press 'you put dead corona patients in an airtight plastic bag, zip it up, and that's it'.
Most distressing. But the question is: why have the German-speaking nations behaved so (relatively) irresponsibly?
According to stereotype, Germans are seen as clear-thinking, commonsensical and profoundly practical.
But, at least when it comes to health matters, this is just not true. Or, to put it more precisely, a remarkably high proportion have for well over a century been ideologically charged fanatics for so-called natural medicine.
There has been an equally long tradition of hostility to vaccines (even though globally these have saved, in terms of escape from deadly disease, countless more millions of lives than all other forms of medicine combined).
According to the German medical historian Malte Thiessen, in his country: 'Inoculation has always been about more than just the prick. It's also always about a worldview.'
He traces it back to the Lebensreform movement of the 19th century, which preached 'natural paths' to health.
According to Thiessen: 'For them, vaccines were the 'Devil's tool', something artificial, chemical, getting injected into the body.
'That helps explain the huge opposition to vaccines in Germany's alternative circles, even today.'
Homeopathy
A similar approach was — and is — taken by the adherents of 'Anthroposophy', invented (if that is the word) by the Austrian-born self-proclaimed clairvoyant Rudolf Steiner. He died in 1925 but there are still 'Steiner hospitals' in Germany, and the country's most successful drugstore chain is run by a Steiner devotee.
In a fascinating examination of the movement's influence today, the German writer Philip Oltermann listed some of the 'natural' remedies offered to Covid patients in the Steiner hospitals: 'They include moist chest compresses with powdered ginger root, mustard flower or yarrow tea.'
German health minister Jens Spahn (left) and the country's disease control agency chief, Lothar Wieler
And he reported that Wala, a manufacturer of anthroposophic 'remedies', sells 'homeopathic pellets from potentised meteoritic iron' (allegedly ground-down remnants of meteorites that haven't fully burnt up after entering the Earth's atmosphere) as a 'preventative against Covid-19 at Steiner care homes for disabled people'.
He quoted a spokesman from one of Germany's Steiner hospitals in Berlin that, although there were no scientific studies of these remedies and there had 'not been enough time' to carry out trials, 'we noticed that they do the people good'.
Not surprisingly, a range of the remedies offered in these hospitals are described as 'homeopathic'.
The doctrine of homeopathy — based on the idea that the more diluted the so-called active ingredient in a natural remedy is, the more effective it becomes — was invented by a German, Samuel Hahnemann.
And Germany is the last remaining European country in which homeopathy is officially endorsed: it is covered by 70 per cent of state-backed medical insurance plans.
A German friend told me that the enormous financial power of these purveyors of quack medicine (literally so in the case of Oscillococcinum, a homeopathic 'cure' for colds, consisting of one part duck offal to 10-to-the-power-of-400 parts water) can be seen clearly in the content of television advertising.
At peak hours on German commercial stations, the ads for such 'remedies' are about as overwhelmingly prevalent as those for gambling on our own sports channels.
Cranks
The peculiarly Germanic nature of this obsession is evident in the fact that vaccine uptake in Switzerland is, according to a report in the Financial Times, 'often far lower in German-speaking cantons than in the country's French-speaking west and Italian-speaking south'.
Similarly, the affluent 70 per cent German-speaking province of Bolzano in the Tyrol has among the lowest vaccination rates in all of Italy.
This was put into sharp perspective when the Italian government introduced mandatory vaccination for those teaching in schools.
At that time, 20 per cent of staff in German-speaking schools were unvaccinated, whereas just 3 per cent of teachers in the Italian-speaking schools had declined the Covid jabs.
This suggests that the Germanic resistance goes much deeper than just an aversion to directives from the state: Italians are hardly the most obedient of people when being told what to do by authority.
As for the British, outside the care sector, we have not needed to be threatened with any form of vaccine 'compulsion'.
Moreover, since we were the fastest in Europe to implement Covid vaccines, we are now also the quickest in implementing booster jabs.
More than 21 per cent of the population has had a third dose, compared with just 6 per cent across the EU.
Given that the third dose, according to the latest research, lifts the recipients' protection against Covid infection from 60 per cent to more than 90 per cent, this, more than anything, explains why the UK will have no need for any sort of pre-Christmas lockdown.
As I say, that is no reason for smugness. And not even for Schadenfreude (a German term for experiencing joy in the misfortune of others).
Let's just say it's good that health cranks are much less influential here. Because what in normal times might be harmless eccentricity is a menace during a pandemic.
Yep, and that's why I consider blaming the (USPTO) patent system for lack of commercial advancement an excuse.
For sure… Industrial Heat don’t seem to have too many problems getting their patents, for example.
I know that children don't like facts as this leaves no room for cheating. But I can confirm you that the spot (SWPRS) is a free masons honey pot.
If you search this thread for “swprs”, it returns 40 hits, with you making up the vast majority of those. (Second place was Toffoli, who apparently was banned for being into stuff that was too weird for for even this thread).
Here the link to the Swiss anti mafia site: https://swprs.org/on-the-treatment-of-covid-19/
I found no errors in their fact list. Of course all right wing people including the FRJM mafia hate them as e.g. some of their exponents present the truth for the WTC building 7 blow off by placed explosives.
If they are rated as a conspiracy site then the presented site information must be precise and dangerous for many folks. So highly recommended!
Here an overview of science about masks : https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/
But this is science based not fascist mafia order based.
In fact, looking at the history it would seem that most of your idees fixes over the past 12 months had their genesis in posts from their website.
Looks like they sucked you in good! Probably by appealing to your paranoid tendencies, and refusal to trust anything other than “truther” type information sources.
I guess all good things can’t last though, and now even they too have fallen under the spell of this nefarious mafia - scourge of psychiatric wards across the land.
Here’s a good example… The Swiss Policy Research website, regularly linked to by the plonker du jour, offers up various “facts” about covid vaccines that begin with the usual un-nuanced nonsense about VAERS numbers, and follows with a library of the guff normally repeated here by the “useful idiots”.
Oddly enough, the same website also seems to want to discredit Sergei Magnitsky, an accountant who died in a Russian prison, that no-one cares about, except for a group of Kremlin kleptocrats, whose massive embezzlements were exposed by him.
You might want to pull your head out of your arse dimwit
Nitric Oxide Nasal Spray for COVID-19 to Be Distributed to India and Other Asia Markets
SaNOtize and Glenmark Pharmaceuticals announced on August 2, 2021 an exclusive long-term strategic partnership to manufacture, market, and distribute SaNOtize’s nitric oxide nasal spray (NONS) for COVID-19 treatment to India and other Asian markets, including Singapore, Malaysia Hong Kong, Taiwan, Nepal, Brunei, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Timor-Leste, and Vietnam.
NONS were found to be a safe and effective antiviral treatment to prevent the transmission of COVID-19, shorten its course, and reduce the severity of symptoms in SaNOtize’s March 2021 clinical trials.
NONS is designed to kill the COVID-19 virus in the upper airways, preventing it from incubating and spreading to the lungs. It is based on nitric oxide, which has proven anti-microbial properties and a direct effect on SARS-CoV-2.
Ah, yes, sorry… No doubt we would all be far better off if we copied more Third World medical practises.
Well, some of them, anyway.
And I still haven’t seen any evidence that corroborate your previous ramblings…
“….By supplementing vitamin D and [NO] daily you won’t get Covid. Period!”
