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* Rogue, because it is run by the former head of epidemiology. They fired her for telling the public what was going on. She is getting information from insiders code named Badger, Hawk, Turtle and Teacup. That's where we are in 2020, in the so-called land of the free. We can't even get our governments to give us vital information that might prevent us from dying. Literally, life-or-death information.

You must be talking about Rebekah Jones. She was not the "former head of (Florida) epidemiology", but only a cog in the system. She has a degree in Journalism, and worked in the department. The real epidemiologists running the department said she was insubordinate. Her former boyfriend filed charges against her for cyber stalking, and revenge porn. The case will go to court soon.

No need for any rogue website in Florida. We have all the information we need at our fingertips. If I have a question not answered on the official DOH website, I can call and ask them. No one is hiding, or suppressing vital information.

We also seem to have a good contact tracing program. Best friends 2 teenagers had sleep over with 5 friends. One later tested positive. The other 6 were contacted and asked to get tested, All were positive and asymptomatic, along with some of the parents. All are in their room for 14 days, receiving their food on plastic utensils, which are collected and disposed of. It is voluntary compliance though. and no doubt there will be people who simply refuse to isolate themselves.

Never heard of Pizzagate. Funny to learn of it on a science site no less. Reminds me of that old saying "Idle minds are the devil's workshop". Enough of the other conspiracies, and back to work. Here is an article based on the CDC's Friday estimate, that 10X's more people have been infected in the US, than the 2.6 million presented.

https://outkick.com/cdc-now-es…illion-coronavirus-cases/

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Did you mean to say R1 = 1?

Nope. My post you refer to clearly says "R>1". Here is the quote unedited, without Moderator cheating:

"Can I be less concerned, since the R>1 is because younger people are getting infected more?"

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or having sex.

That is hitting below the belt, and you know it!

I do get your points, although I factored that in when I asked "can I be LESS concerned". I do worry about these trends, as I do for the planet and various other causes, but with so much to fret over, one has to prioritize what they lose sleep over. With an R1.1, mainly because younger people with almost no risk are testing positive, I will sleep well tonight...hopefully.

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You caught me. Putting Newton for Newman. gosh darnit. Thanks for the link it was interesting

I was wondering about that, but too afraid to ask. Now I know. Thanks to PDP for pointing it out, and you for correcting.

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It appears we are at an R of 1.1 or a bit higher here in the U.S. Florida is running ahead of that.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Can I be less concerned, since the R>1 is because younger people are getting infected more?

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Summer 2020 update as published on LinkedIn (requires login), see attached 16 page newsletter.
Not much clearity on their catalyst development situation.

A little heavy on the fund raising plea, but understandable considering they are on a shoe-string budget, and "90%" confident they are only $2 million away from commercial viability. That benchmark they now define as "2X's Net COP", or "twice as many watts of heat output vs. each watt of electric energy input". Sounds strange, as they have been advertising attaining a COP of 2.7 for well over a year now. This is how they explain it:

"This overall system requirement of 2X Net COP for beginning commercialization is nearly a

doubling of the COPs generated in the above referenced “System ID” test results. In System ID

terms, to achieve the first commercially viable designs we project that the System ID COP would

initially need to be approximately 4X (versus the recently achieved maximum System ID COP

of 2.7X) in order to produce a 2X Net COP out-of-the-wall. As the engineering of our technology

matures over time, the internal Q-Power will not need to be as high to make the same amount of

net thermal output from the wall (because our output to input ratio will continue to improve).

Thus, this will continue to increase our Net COP and overall heat output (because our ratios will

continue to improve as we scale)."

So the old COP2.7 from their early testing is now called "System ID COP of 2.7", which I interpret to mean it was not a true "net" COP, as it partially excluded the power being consumed by the Q-pulse. Anyone have a different take on that? As I recall, there was some discussion about how the Q-pulse was factored into the Pout>Pin calculations when Tanzella wrote up his 2 reports, but am too lazy to look it up.

Nonetheless, for those who did not read it; some heavy weight physicist did some extensive testing for a European investment group, and wrote a "positive technical report on the outcome of their testing". The group he represented made a small investment, and entered into deeper discussions that did not pan out. He is apparently happy with what he saw, and if he is happy, then so am I.

Overall, a solid update with a lot of very promising news. There are often complaints that LENR lacks transparency, but no one could accuse Godes of that after this. He has put all his cards, and heart on the table for all to see. By the sounds of it, they should not have much trouble getting the $2 million. That is chump-change in silicon Valley, and he is right in the heart of it.

Good luck BEC.

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But be aware that not all people are equal and what saves the live of Jim might not work for Joe. We have no clue how good the old classic corona anti bodies do protect us. This - old classic corona anti bodies - are by far the most important and still completely unknown factor.

The medical profession has been on a learning curve in using various treatments and drugs to fight the virus. When to administer this, or do that are very critical and can make the difference between life/death.

I was watching an interview about this the other night. Doctor said they have made great strides just with steroids, and blood thinners, and I assume many more he did not have time to list. We know of Avigan, and Ivermectin also. Too bad Dr. R is not back to keep us up on his "anti-bat" formula. Anyway, one of the seldom reported on stories, is how the medical field has adjusted, and learned...a factor now that plays into the lower CFR's.

When you get sick, you want your doctor to have the full arsenal of drugs available to him so that you can get the best of care. Every case is different, as are the patients, and without having access to the full range of effective drugs your doctor may not have the specific tool he needs to best treat you. HCQ may be one of those drugs, and for all practical purposes, it is not available anymore in the US.

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I read somewhere that the Congress passed emergency legislation saying you cannot sue a doctor or hospital for malpractice when treatments for coronavirus do not work. I don't recall the details.

I think we went over that before. You checked and could not find anything about it. Perhaps you were thinking of this:

https://www.foxnews.com/politi…ng-home-campaign-donation

"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who signed legislation granting hospital and nursing home executives immunity from lawsuits related to the novel coronavirus last month, previously received a big-money boost from a powerful health care industry group, according to a new report."

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More very positive reports on HCQ ---

"Outcomes of 3,737 COVID-19 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin

and other regimens in Marseille, France: A retrospective analysis"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/…cle/pii/S1477893920302817

Two video analyses of the report --

Drbeen Medical Lectures: Hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin Two Studies

Excerpt: "... and I am a little surprised that nobody in media picked up this study and

talked about it, while the incorrect studies, less than optimal studies had been talked

about again and again, repeatedly and talked about with the pundits, and people who were

not even doctors - and that was weird, and now nobody is talking about these studies ...""

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It has been quite the roller coaster ride following the HCQ controversy. One study looks promising raising hopes, another comes along to dash them. I thought last week the debate was settled, and HCQ proponents lost when the FDA withdrew it's emergency authorization use, but now it looks as if it's not over yet...or at least not outside the US.

Unfortunately, here in the US, the use of HCQ has been so demonized, and become such a political hot button issue, I would be surprised if any doctors have the courage to continue it's use. In most areas of the country, they are not even allowed to use it if they wanted to.

In this poisoned atmosphere, anyone prescribing it, and having their patient have a bad outcome, would run a high risk of lawsuit. Even though the patient may have died from other underlying causes, and was heading out the door anyway. Or they may have the dreaded local news reporters showing up at their office, shoving a microphone in their face and asking why they were using such a "controversial drug".

So, for various reasons, some having nothing to do with good science, the issue seems to be settled here in the US. Too bad, because there may still be something to this. One promising observation that runs through many of these studies/trials, and that the authors in this report highlight, is that one of the most noted benefits has been that patients on HCQ experience higher virus shedding, or some call it "reduced viral loading". If it does that, and it is safe, then it would follow that it must have some benefit.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/s…cle-physics/#538a94b14165

Not ITER, but Ethan Siegel makes the case for a 4x's bigger collider than the LHC at CERN. One reason is to "maintain the expertise of the scientists that have devoted their lives to experimental particle physics at the energy frontier." Noble cause, but worth it?

https://www.hakaimagazine.com/…to-a-restaurant-near-you/

The very tasty "Impossible Meats" have made significant market penetration with their plant based "burgers" recently, but are "plant-fungi" based seafoods, and alt-meats/seafood (cell cultured) next? IMO, it all comes down to cost (like energy) to the consumer. If it tastes as good, and the same price (better yet cheaper) as animal flesh, plant based, or cell cultured, will take over the market.

Good article that puts it all into perspective.

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Maybe more transmitting outside, with heat and dry conditions this might mean that the amount you get is less if you get it and perhaps the reason why you get more mild symptoms.

Maybe so, but whatever the reason for the rise in cases, the main thing is that we are developing immunity without getting very sick. Eventually, we will achieve herd immunity, and if this trend continues we will have gotten there much less painfully than originally anticipated.

https://outkick.com/media-igno…eath-collapse-in-country/

US deaths down 70% over a 7 day average. New cases are rising, but mostly asymptomatic, or mildly so. With deaths declining, it looks to be a good trend. Some doctors report the virus is losing it's punch, and the data so far supports that.

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I strongly agree with this editorial. It says everything I have been saying, in fewer words. The history of pellagra is very telling.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0…on/coronavirus-trump.html

A Plague of Willful Ignorance

Trump has empowered America’s anti-rational streak.

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Let me sum up Krugman's opinions for our overseas non-English members/guests, as I interpret it:

"Americans living in the south are ignorant. They ignored the threat of Pellagra back in 1915 as "fiction", as do southerners, along with Trump supporters everywhere, ignore the threat of COVID today. Another sign of their "anti-science streak", along with evolution, and AGW. All other "advanced" countries have tackled the pandemic better than the US. The blue state of New York however, is an exception. If you are one of those "belligerent (Trump) factions", there is redemption at hand. Just stop your "rejection of expertise, science and responsibility in general (that) is killing us", and get on board with the New York way of doing things .

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If Desireless would like to publish these calibrations and full pictures of his setup as others of us have then I might take his claims more seriously.

I would be surprised to see a full disclosure. Desireless also goes under the pseudonym me356, and JohnyFive as Alan S alluded to earlier. The storyline is the same with each: they claim success, and after stringing us along for a time, they are eventually challenged to show the raw data, and photos. Many promises and excuses later, they disappear.

We banned the avatars Desireless and JohnyFive to prevent confusion, but kept me356 active. He is more than welcome to show himself, and explain his latest "success".

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Those are private apps. Not issued by any state, or mandated by any.

No, not yet, although 3 are working on their own app, and others are considering it. IMO, that is where the poll comes in. It is a trial balloon, and looks like the balloon deflated. Without mandatory tracking, do you think contact tracing will work?

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Which states do you mean?

The author singled out New York, and Oregon.

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I have not heard that any U.S. state will use a phone app.

I have. The article refers to a poll asking if they would use the app: https://arstechnica.com/scienc…ntact-tracing-data-shows/ Not much acceptance, for a variety of reasons.

https://thefederalist.com/2020…jected-by-most-americans/

Not sure the author opposed contact tracing before writing his article, or decided he is against it after researching. No matter; while some states are putting on a good show rolling out their programs, scratch the surface and it is obvious they are poorly implemented. If that were not enough, people generally support it until learning of the part where they will be tracked via phone app.

When fully committed to by a government, with the full cooperation of its citizens, contact tracing can be very effective. Half-hearted programs full of inconsistencies, and tepid support from citizens, makes it a waste of time IMO.

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Yet, if you are somewhat skeptical, your posts can be "moderated" much more quickly, even if they are much more polite or fact based than others.

We are all equal here...but some are more equal than others.