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    Despite the First Response, Israelis Seem Hesitant to Get a Third Covid Vaccine


    Despite the First Response, Israelis Seem Hesitant to Get a Third Covid Vaccine
    Vaccination nation now has some hesitancy among the population. It’s not unusual for Israel to be labeled a “country of contradictions,” with the split
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    Vaccination nation now has some hesitancy among the population. It’s not unusual for Israel to be labeled a “country of contradictions,” with the split between the political left and right. The strain is evident between the religious and secular, along with the eternal quest for peace. However, all this seems to pale in comparison to the breakthrough response to COVID-19 when the virus first hit this nation, and the current hesitancy to get a booster to combat the new Omicron strain.


    According to the Israeli daily HaAretz, over 40% of Israelis are not protected against the new variant of coronavirus. HaAretz says the Israeli Health Ministry reports that only 58% of eligible Israelis over 5 years old are fully vaccinated, meaning they’ve received two doses of the vaccine plus a booster, 9.3 percent are double vaccinated but have allowed six months to pass without getting a third dose, and 32.4% of Israelis are unvaccinated. This means, according to the article, almost 42% of Israelis are unprotected against Omicron. This is surprising considering TrialSite News, reported Israelis are aware covid vaccinations will wane after a period of time. Recent findings, also reported in TrialSite, showed a recent study in Israel found natural immunity durability appears superior to the two-dose regimen of the vaccine.


    But, in another contradiction, The Times of Israel is reporting the Israeli health minister announced last week a fourth covid shot is a possibility. Following this announcement are several reports saying young Israeli parents are not likely to vaccinate their children. Since Israel authorized the vaccine for children between 5 and 11 only 110 thousand Israeli children have gotten vaccinated out of 1.2 million.


    There is no doubt Israel is aware of the spread of the Omicron variant and has closed the country’s borders to “red” countries, including the UK and Denmark as well as 49 others. All this comes on the heels of the World Health Organization’s announcement that Omicron is likely to outpace Delta as the dominant variant of covid along with a warning of a “tidal wave” of infections.



    But in a country seemingly filled with contradictions, it looks like COVID-19 is just another debate for Israelis. The question is, would it be Israel without an argument?


    Young Israeli Parents Likely Not to Vaccinate Kids Against COVID, Poll Finds

    Only 47 percent of 25-34-year-olds and 46 percent of 35-44-year-olds believe that children aged five to 11 should receive the COVID shot, compared to 56 percent among the general population


    Young Israeli parents likely not to vaccinate kids against COVID, poll finds
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    Swiss data shows that at no point in time Switzerland had excess mortality among age < 65 = the working group.


    Mortality monitoring (MOMO)
    The FSO's mortality monitoring system is designed to detect whether the weekly number of deaths is higher than expected at that time of year. Mortality rates…
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    Why do we apply dangerous gene therapy to all people albeit we know only the older and people with comorbidity are at risk?

    Why does the mafia cheat the Western world?

    Good news from South Africa. Despite record case numbers there is no visible increase in ICU cases.


    As said some news papers report an increase in hospital admission of PCR+ patients but most are regular patients that have been checked on entry. Currently the RSA test positive rate is a world record of 60%!!!


    So far Omicron looks great! Except for Pfizer's gene therapy...


    On the other side: Highly vaccinated countries like France see a record increase in hospital cases due to CoV-19. A clear sign that vaccination does bot work. The same we see in the Swiss adjusted figures for the last few weeks that show that the majority of hospital admissions is among age 70+ is vaccinated.


    So we are now in the pandemic of the vaccinated!

    Quote from Bob#2

    Nor are you that I know of....


    I do have 2 MD's and 2 RN's in my immediate family. They would strongly disagree with you, both from literature and actual hands on Covid treatment....

    Bob: I am telling it as it is in the UK - not the weird politicised US.


    The doctors in my immediate family are dead now - but I have friends who are doctors and nurses.


    But in both cases arguing from "a few doctors I know" is poor - because of the chance that they share political views etc.


    And, I mentioned you not being a doctor not because I claim to be one (I am not) but because you are contradicting medical opinion, not me.


    I will accept that this is a UK quirk, and that in the US most doctors evaluate ivermectin positive, if you provide statistical evidence.

    Otherwise I will go by the evidence from this video (which I'd recommend you to view, it is from a non-committed journalist who is interested in how to mediate debates rather than one side.


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    Rebel Wisdom

    4 months ago (edited)

    FYI - this film was taken down by YouTube on Wednesday 4th, and was reinstated after appeal.

    Hey all - We have also pulled together a briefing document summarising the perspectives from both sides of this debate, here: https://fullydavid.medium.com/ivermectin-for-and-against-briefing-document-2f5c28539dc


    This week, in line with several key films we’ve put out on the channel — and Ivermectin Day on 24th July — we’ve put together a corresponding brief on Ivermectin: an antiparasitic that many claim could be a powerful weapon (if not a ‘miracle drug’) against COVID-19.


    These are hugely consequential claims for public health, and whatever the truth, it is clear that lives are at stake. Either a promising and lifesaving drug is being suppressed — or people are being people are being told to take something that may not be as effective as claimed by its supporters.


    Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying of the Dark Horse channel, Dr. Tess Lawrie of the UK BIRD Group, and Dr. Pierre Kory of the FLCCC have been some of Ivermectin’s key proponents — and they’ve faced some censorious backlash from the tech giants for it, too, with even Senate testimony from Pieere Kory being taken down by YouTube. They assert the evidence for Ivermectin is beyond doubt. Others disagree. Alongside Tess Lawrie, the film we just published features Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz, an Australian epidemiologist and data scientist who has challenged some of the data analysis on Ivermectin, and Graham Walker, an ER doctor from San Francisco who has also been diving deeply into the data.


    Uncanny Valley

    The central issue here for Rebel Wisdom is this: in the fractured information landscape, we are seeing almost no genuine engagement from either side. The Ivermectin advocates on one side, and the sceptics on the other, rarely speak to each other (if at all). The mainstream legacy media largely ignores the topic, for fear of “false equivalence” or going against medical orthodoxy and the alternative rarely scrutinises or challenges the arguments of advocates. Yet this isn’t how you find truth. It is the “Uncanny Valley of Truth-Seeking” that we covered in our recent newsletter.


    Add to this the censorship from the tech platforms directed at people who advocate for Ivermectin, and you have a perfect storm of broken sensemaking.

    Hopefully this document provides a good overview of the data for and against Ivermectin. However there are many other dimensions to the conversation not covered by this overview, powerful incentive structures, both to uphold consensus, and to challenge it, and the narrative warfare on both sides is immense, with compelling stories that can overwhelm our critical faculties. On one side is the immense weight of “medical consensus” and mainstream authority, and on the other, an equally strong narrative of Ivermectin as a rallying call and badge of allegiance, a story of plucky rebels standing up against censorship and control.

    We have to be fully aware of our innate tendency to be captured, and hijacked by these powerful narratives on either side. And to also use that awareness to evaluate any truth claims made by others. This is why Rebel Wisdom has always made it a priority to be self critical and aware of our own biases, and to be suspicious of anyone motivated by excessive levels of certainty and evangelical zeal. Humility is needed.


    This document will outline the key claims, and the evidence and names behind them. In and among a confusing mass of stories, podcasts and media claims, the brief will give the detailed history on what Ivermectin is and summarise the different and competing claims on what it can, could (or can’t) do.

    Omicron variant more resistant to vaccine but causes less severe covid, major South African study concludes


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/14/south-africa-omicron-coronavirus/


    CAPE TOWN, South Africa — Omicron appears to cause less severe illness than earlier variants of the coronavirus but is more resistant to the two-dose Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine widely used in South Africa, according to the first major private study since omicron was first detected last month.


    The study by Discovery Health, South Africa’s largest health insurer, of 211,000 positive coronavirus cases, of which 78,000 were attributed to omicron, showed that risk of hospital admissions among adults who contracted covid-19 was 29 percent lower than in the initial pandemic wave that emerged in March 2020.


    However, the study, released Tuesday, found that the vaccine from U.S. pharmaceutical giant Pfizer and German partner BioNTech provided just 33 percent protection against infection, much less than the level for other variants detected in the country. At the same time, the vaccine provided 70 percent protection in fully vaccinated individuals against severe complications that would require a patient to be hospitalized, the study found, calling that “very good protection.”


    Variants ‘haunt’ world with vaccine imbalance between rich and poor nations


    Children appear to have a 20 percent higher risk of hospital admission with complications during the fourth wave of coronavirus cases than during the first, despite a very low absolute incidence, the study found.


    Symptoms in children generally include a sore throat, nasal congestion and fever for two to three days, with recovery after three days.


    Ryan Noach, Discovery Health’s chief executive, said it was still early days for omicron and warned that infections could still overwhelm the health-care system as the variant evolves further.


    “The omicron-driven fourth wave has a significantly steeper trajectory of new infections relative to prior waves,” Noach said in a statement. “National data show an exponential increase in both new infections and test positivity rates during the first three weeks of this wave, indicating a highly transmissible variant with rapid community spread of infection.”


    “What is encouraging at this stage is a flatter trajectory of hospital admissions indicating likely lower severity of this wave,” he told a news briefing later.



    Noach said anecdotal evidence gathered from doctors treating omicron patients outside hospitals showed a high reinfection rate and multiple breakthrough infections in vaccinated people that emerge after a short incubation period of three to four days.


    Most infections are described as mild, with recoveries usually within three days, he said. The most common early symptom reported is a scratchy throat, followed by nasal congestion, a dry cough and myalgia manifesting in lower back pain.


    He said private hospitals reported that most patients were unvaccinated and many were initially admitted for non-covid-related illnesses. There was less evidence of respiratory infections in omicron-infected patients, compared to the other variants, with fewer patients requiring oxygen, Noach added.


    The study comes as omicron has become the dominant variant in South Africa less than three weeks since its existence was confirmed on Nov. 25. The World Health Organization warned Monday that omicron, now detected in 63 countries, poses a “very high” global risk.



    In a separate briefing Tuesday, Matshidiso Moeti, the World Health Organization’s director for Africa, declared that Africa was now officially in the fourth wave of the pandemic primarily driven by omicron, with an 83 percent surge in new cases this week compared to the previous week.


    “This is the fastest surge recorded since May last year,” Moeti said. “We are cautiously optimistic, as we are seeing fewer deaths during the early weeks of this current wave when compared to previous surges.”


    The drop in the protection of two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine against any symptomatic infection is similar to what a British preprint study released late last week showed, namely that it dipped below 40 percent.


    The British study, however, could not answer pressing questions about whether vaccine protection against severe disease would erode just as steeply. The South African data provides a first hint, showing that protection against severe illness requiring hospitalization after two doses was diminished from its more than 90 percent protection against the delta variant but remained relatively robust, at 70 percent.


    Carolyn Y. Johnson contributed to this report.

    A trial checking the efficacy of Albendazole which is now used to treat worms and ivermectin was just uploaded for publication. The results show little affect when both are used in combination to treat worms. This was only uploaded on Nov 29th after the article posted on worms and ivermectin. So as usual more data needed

    Ill post the study when they publish.

    Quote from Wyttenbach

    Correct. These people are called Indians!


    One thing is clear. Even if thousands of fascist crap spin doctors like you continue to post FUD about Ivermectin - already > 2'000'000'000 people will laugh at you.


    But may be your "vaccine" induced dementia will protect you from understanding it....

    I just found a treatment for Thomas dementia, pop a Viagra!

    ???

    No one said India was not "young" nor no one had "worms"


    I clearly stated that youth does not affect the transmitting of Covid Delta..... if so why is the US pushing so hard to have 5 year old and up vaccinated? The low case rate in India is not due to youth was my statement and this statement is correct per normal Covid transmission statements....


    It is likely possible that India has a high rate of parasites. A lot of third world countries do. But that was not my statement. My statement was that worms would not affect the Covid infection rate and that is correct. Now if those people are taking IVERMECTIN for parasite (worm) infection, that well may affect transmission rates! But it has nothing to do with the worms.


    Really? X/

    Is Mass Vaccination Failing? One German Professor Raises this Concern


    Is Mass Vaccination Failing? One German Professor Raises this Concern
    Recently, the British Medical Journal (BMJ) evidenced yet more willingness to open a critical look at the public health response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
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    Recently, the British Medical Journal (BMJ) evidenced yet more willingness to open a critical look at the public health response to the COVID-19 pandemic. This is the case as they continue to publish critical points of view from Germany’s Dr. Günter Kampf, a Professor at University Medicine Greifswald, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine in Greifswald, a city in the far northern reaches of the country on the Baltic Sea. While high vaccination rates were sold to the public as the way to reduce viral transmission of the novel coronavirus by impeding transmission, Dr. Kamp raises the specter that this approach may be failing. Based on data review, he suggests “That the epidemiological relevance of COVID-19 vaccinated individuals is increasing.” Translated to normal language, this means that the vaccinated continue to become rich targets for the pathogen, contrary to assumptions earlier in the year.


    This emerging German critic is no lightweight. With over 300 publications and over 11,00 citations, Dr. Günter Kampf studies hospital epidemiology and hygiene.


    A Critic Emerges

    Kampf doesn’t play in the usual politically correct circles, opting to venture on his own, taking a hard, rigorous look at the data in front of him for what many might consider an uncomfortably frank conversation.


    TrialSite has followed some of these reports carefully. TrialSite showcased the German professor’s point that the unvaccinated should not be vilified, as was the case increasingly by politicians, public health officials, and various other members of the state. Then again in The Lancet, Kampf argued that vaccinated people are increasingly more at risk for breakthrough infection, and this had nothing to do with the unvaccinated.


    Observations Raise Real Concern

    Now https://trialsitenews.com/is-m…ssor-raises-this-concern/ his work published in The BMJ in the form of a research letter, Kamp reviews the UK data. Dr. Kampf describes that breakthrough infections in the UK among household contacts exposed to fully vaccinated persons were comparable to those cases where household contacts were exposed to unvaccinated persons (25% for vaccinated vs. 23% for unvaccinated).


    Furthermore, Kampf notes in The BMJ that in the data set reviewed, 39% of infections in fully vaccinated households (12 of 31) were linked to “index cases.” He articulated that peak viral load made no difference whether one was vaccinated or not.


    Germany tracks breakthrough infections on a weekly basis since July 21, 2021. At that point, the breakthrough infection rate, that is, those that were fully vaccinated and becoming reinfected equaled 16.9% among people aged 60 and up. This proportion he points out has shot up to what was 58.9% by October 27, 2021.


    Kampf’s point of view is that this German data provides “clear evidence of the increasing relevance of the fully vaccinated as a possible source of transmission.“ Moreover, he finds similar data sets in the UK where from week 39 and 42 out of 100,160 reported COVID-19 cases in people over 60 years of age 89,821 occurred among the fully vaccinated (89.7%) with 3,395 among the unvaccinated.


    Additionally, he calls attention to the fact that the COVID-19 case rate per 100,000 a week prior was higher in the vaccinated subgroup than the vaccinated subgroup in all age groups aged 30 and above.


    While in Israel, he reports that a hospital outbreak of COVID-19, while small (16 healthcare workers, 23 exposed patients, and two family members), was traced to a fully vaccinated patient as the source of the outbreak. He called out that all the 151 healthcare workers at the clinic along with 91 patients had in the aggregate a vaccination rate of 96.2%. Unfortunately, 14 of the fully vaccinated patients became severely ill or died while two unvaccinated persons only developed mild disease.


    Finally, in the U.S., Kampf looked at four of the most vaccinated counties based on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data. These were noted to be “high” transmission counties.”


    It’s A Paradigm

    Of course, one explanation is that vaccines aren’t perfect. Moreover, the vast majority of the elderly in both the UK and Germany are vaccinated so one would expect some breakthrough cases. However, Kampf’s point of view centers on the true dominance of breakthrough infections—this, he rightfully argues, wasn’t expected.


    Yet Kampf reminds all that most decision-makers now in the health care business “assume that the vaccinated can be excluded as a source of transmission.” But this is not only unfortunate and not science-based, but as Kampf declares, this paradigm “appears to be grossly negligent to ignore the vaccinated population as a possible and relevant source of transmission when deciding about public health control measures.”


    Be Objective

    TrialSite reminds all that this independent, unbiased, and apolitical media platform seeks transparency and greater accessibility to biomedical and health research for all interested in this rich and rewarding field of pursuit. A lot of money now circulates from a government-industry initiative that raises considerable risk for the concept of regulatory capture mentioned frequently in this media platform.


    An open and critical mind, like Dr. Kampf, supports true scientific pursuits. Negative labels and ad hominem attacks, along with other fallacious moves, unfortunately, have become the norm during this pandemic. Studies moving forward should focus on just how leaky or durable the vaccines are combined with investigations into the true nature of COVID-19 natural immunity.


    Vaccination has also helped reduce hospitalization and death counts; the data appears clear. The rapid development and commercialization of these products proved pharma can move much faster in the world of drug development if incentivized to do so. But nothing is for free. In the world of quality, key inputs are time, money, and of course talent. Accelerated product development without maintaining the full array of standard GxP practices in the world of drug and vaccine development introduces benefits and risks.


    Vaccination more than likely will turn into some form of annual vaccine or “shot” much like annual influenza shots once this pandemic moves to its endemic phase. But TrialSite has also called out concerns of adverse events and when combined with mounting breakthrough infection rates, investigations must now center on the nature of the costs as well as benefits of the current crop of what we consider version 1.0 vaccine products.


    We have learned a lot. Proactive early care and advancing therapies combined with continuously improving vaccines and proper public awareness will over time improve the situation. Those that simply believe only a 100% vaccinated population will resolve this problem aren’t being genuine about the nature of this situation. Unfortunately, this type of dynamic can contribute to the ongoing pandemic’s rage.


    Lead Research/Investigator

    Dr. Günter Kampf Professor at University Medicine Greifswald, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine in Greifswald


    The epidemiological relevance of the COVID-19-vaccinated population is increasing

    DEFINE_ME

    Quote from Bob#2

    I clearly stated that youth does not affect the transmitting of Covid Delta..... if so why is the US pushing so hard to have 5 year old and up vaccinated? The low case rate in India is not due to youth was my statement and this statement is correct per normal Covid transmission statements....

    Again, I can't comment directly on the US - where everything seems to be politicised and different parts of the country run waves at different times (though maybe all will get omicron at the same time, I'm not sure).


    In the UK we track infection across age groups in the community in great detail. There is very strong evidence that before omicron our high sustained delta infection rate was driven by a very high rate in 5-11 years olds (who in the UK were not vaccinated). The figures are pretty clear. Delta was spreading in schools (the children hardly noticed it) and then a few weeks later spilling over to families with children and from then to the older population.


    The quality of this UK data, and the analysis with it, is very high (I don't know better).


    And I also can't see how the UK scientists could be highly politicised, even if in the US you can argue they are.

    I remind members that although this is 'the playground and hence a little more relaxed' we don't do politics in this forum. So please keep childish references to fascism out of this space. Think'em if that's your fancy, but don't write them down.

    Florida city with no confirmed omicron cases finds COVID-19 variant in sewer water

    https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/florida-city-with-no-confirmed-omicron-cases-finds-covid-19-variant-in-sewer-water/amp/


    A month ago south Florida hospitals reported an big increase in colds. None were tested for Covid as symptoms didn't match delta symptoms. Omicron has probably been circulating for about 6 weeks in Florida with little uptick in hospitalized and looks to be more a cold virus.

    Sorry, I was not clear and thank you for your response.


    I was not intending to say that the youth do not get Covid, just the opposite and I may have painted an inaccurate picture of my point.


    I have heard that India has low infection rates because the country is "young". See Jed's above post. My comment was that youth does not stop infection and can spread it according to standard Covid publications and you seem to agree as well. Youth can and do spread Covid.


    "our high sustained delta infection rate was driven by a very high rate in 5-11 years olds (who in the UK were not vaccinated). "


    Your statement would support that India should see a higher infection rate because they are such a young country......and not vaccinated? Is this not correct according to your UK analogy?


    (However, vaccinations do not seem to reduce infection much according to most graphs.)


    Thus my argument that India's low infection rate has nothing to do with youth. Young people still spread the infection. Youth could very well reduce death rates... but not infection. India is seeing a low rate in both.


    "Worms" would not reduce infection rate either... nor death in my opinion. This is simply grasping at straws.....


    So remove youth and "worms" from India and how do you account for such remarkable success??? (Bash the reporting system of course, but certainly do not NEVER entertain the thought that Ivermectin might work!)


    My apologies on the misunderstanding. Again, we will see with time how India succeeds or fails. So far, they succeed while most high vaccinated countries are foundering. Youth and worms are not the reason..... at some point we will find out hopefully.

    Quote from Bob#2

    Your statement would support that India should see a higher infection rate because they are such a young country......and not vaccinated? Is this not correct according to your UK analogy?

    Bob - COVID epidemiology is multidimensional and so many factors vary between countries. It is not easy to quantify, but here are the obvious differences UK vs India, which explain what you view as surprising above:


    (1) India has much higher past infection rate => more immunity. If 70% of children are immune from past infection you are in a different situation from if not.

    (2) India is hot country - virus degrades faster and indoor rooms have better ventilation, people are outdoor more. (The only exception here is the highly industrialised parts where air con can circulate air indoors).


    There is a misunderstanding in your analysis. The infection rate does not depend on R. Instead R alters the rate of change of the infection rate. For example that, everywhere now, will be positive due to omicron. But you won't see that until the omicron levels get large enough to be visible, and that depends on how muhc of it seeded early on (the UK as always does really badly for that).

    Quote from Bob#2

    I have heard that India has low infection rates because the country is "young". See Jed's above post. My comment was that youth does not stop infection and can spread it according to standard Covid publications and you seem to agree as well.

    You misunderstood. The experts say there are many more cases of COVID than reported. Possibly 10 times more. They are not reported because they are mild cases -- because the population is young. They are also not reported because many people cannot afford to go to the doctor. In other words, India does not have low rates of infection. It has low rates of testing and reporting. Antibody tests confirm there have been far more cases than reported. Even deaths are severely underreported.


    So, ascribing the low number of cases to ivermectin makes no sense, because the number is not actually low.

    Quote from JedRothwell

    You misunderstood. The experts say there are many more cases of COVID than reported. Possibly 10 times more. They are not reported because they are mild cases -- because the population is young. They are also not reported because many people cannot afford to go to the doctor. In other words, India does not have low rates of infection. It has low rates of testing and reporting. Antibody tests confirm there have been far more cases than reported. Even deaths are severely underreported.


    So, ascribing the low number of cases to ivermectin makes no sense, because the number is not actually low.

    Jed very little antibody testing is going on here in the US, what makes you think that India is doing that testing.

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