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  • You still haven't taken the GFM page down. Got to it.


    If he does not take the GFM page down, I suggest you contact GFM. Warn them this is a scam. I would say "he claims he will visit our lab, but we have not invited him." So they will know why you are the one warning them.

  • Yup. First class. No need to start negotiations at economy class. Don't forget how we'd need first class video editing software and video director, to start negotiations off with.


    But the unsubtle hint is that the invitation to test has been rescinded. Someone else is gonna have to bell the cat.


    Okay, if we are bidding this job up, I hereby offer to do it for a cool one million dollars. What do you think, Alan? I'll let you keep the video camera. Heck, you can keep the gamma detector!


    I am starting the negotiation at $1 million. Say yes today, without delay, or it goes to $2 million.

  • Strangely enough, they are perfectly relaxed about it, they don't care where the gammas come from, any more than microscope manufacturers worry about what you're looking at.

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  • kevmo,


    Going along with Jed's theme; this does not sound kosher if you were legitimately seeking $100,000 on GFM for a trip. On my first read, I was half asleep, and it did not sink in what you were saying, but now it has. Were you seriously wanting to collect that much? If so, that is pretty brazen to ask unwitting, and gullible donors to contribute.


    Just the whole idea of using GFM to fly 1st Class, stay at a luxury hotel, fine dining, then showing up at the barn with spectrometer, and video camera in hand is just crazy, and says something about the person doing the asking. So was this for real, or am I still sleeping?

  • kevmo,


    Going along with Jed's theme; this does not sound kosher if you were legitimately seeking $100,000 on GFM for a trip. On my first read, I was half asleep, and it did not sink in what you were saying, but now it has. Were you seriously wanting to collect that much? If so, that is pretty brazen to ask unwitting, and gullible donors to contribute.


    Just the whole idea of using GFM to fly 1st Class, stay at a luxury hotel, fine dining, then showing up at the barn with spectrometer, and video camera in hand is just crazy, and says something about the person doing the asking. So was this for real, or am I still sleeping?

    The intention is real. 30 years from now after Cold Fusion has broken out and it's a $trillion business, $100k asking price for belling the cat is going to seem incredibly reasonable.


    It's the opening ask in negotiations, and notably the invitation to test is withdrawn. That says something. It also says something that no one who has a gamma spectrometer and the wherewithal is posting that they intend to test this device.


    The lede was deeply buried by MFMP.


    I'm doing what I can to forward the science, and I encourage others to do so as well. For instance, I posted right on the GoFundMe request that someone else could easily do the testing. So ... what is the problem?

  • If he does not take the GFM page down, I suggest you contact GFM. Warn them this is a scam. I would say "he claims he will visit our lab, but we have not invited him." So they will know why you are the one warning them.

    It isn't a scam, it's a negotiation. It says right on the funding request that there are others that are perfectly suitable for the task and that any left over money would be donated to MFMP. How is that a scam other than not wanting to be cramped up in economy class for several days? I even hinted strongly on Vortex-L that it should be you being the one doing the testing, but you declined. Someone has to get past all this bullshit. Might as well be me.

  • Okay, if we are bidding this job up, I hereby offer to do it for a cool one million dollars. What do you think, Alan? I'll let you keep the video camera. Heck, you can keep the gamma detector!


    I am starting the negotiation at $1 million. Say yes today, without delay, or it goes to $2 million.

    Cool, I'm already underbidding you by 10x. Didn't you already decline to do the testing? So now all of a sudden you're interested, if the bid is a cool $million. Maybe the accusations of scam should be headed 10x in your direction.

  • It says right on the funding request that there are others that are perfectly suitable for the task and that any left over money would be donated to MFMP.


    This is the applicable part of what you said in your GFM plea:


    "When we are done with testing the devices, we will donate the spectrometer to the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project or use it for further testing/debunking of claims."


    Here is the whole thing, which does not say the "left over money would be donated to MFMP":


    "Alan Smith and his team claim to be generating Gamma Rays above background noise radiation on a chemical fuel cell, which is impossible. He has invited anyone with the means to come and test his cells.

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    http://atom-ecology.russgeorge…-cold-fusion-will-travel/

    I intend to purchase a Gamma Spectrometer, travel to London and visit his laboratory, and test his claim, to see for myself. I will post a video on YouTube , one way or another, whether it debunks his claim or supports it.

    I do not have to be the one going to London to do this. Anyone near there can use this money and visit the lab , as long as they demonstrate they know how to use a spectrometer, per Alan's invitation. When we are done with testing the devices, we will donate the spectrometer to the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project or use it for further testing/debunking of claims.

    The time has come for independent testing of some of these types of energy cells. If they are real, they will be a tremendous energy breakthrough. If they are not real, you will help to stop energy related scams."

  • This is the applicable part of what you said in your GFM plea:


    "When we are done with testing the devices, we will donate the spectrometer to the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project or use it for further testing/debunking of claims."


    I'll be happy to modify it for clarity. What do you think it should say? Or rather I should ask, if it were you being funded, what would it say?

  • I'll be happy to modify it for clarity. What do you think it should say? Or rather I should ask, if it were you being funded, what would it say?


    I would never do any such a thing in the first place, so do not ask for my advice about "what I would say". I would recommend though, that you cancel the whole thing and take it down from GFM like Alan said. Pronto. As far as I am concerned, you used a members name and photo -who is also a forum Admin, in an attempt to bilk people out of their money. Probably that was not your intent, but it comes across that way. Especially so the large sum ($100,000) you asked for.

  • I would never do any such a thing in the first place, so do not ask for my advice about "what I would say". I would recommend though, that you cancel the whole thing and take it down from GFM like Alan said. Pronto. As far as I am concerned, you used a members name and photo -who is also a forum Admin, in an attempt to bilk people out of their money. Probably that was not your intent, but it comes across that way. Especially so the large sum ($100,000) you asked for.


    So, you're not gonna answer the question.


    How is it bilking money if Jed is asking for 10x? How is it bilking if I am willing to transfer the money to someone else living closer, who knows how to use a gamma spectrometer?


    Oh, I know. No one ever really answers the questions. I get it.



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  • kevmo,


    You are trying to change the subject. Look, knowing how you are, I can see you doing something demonstrative like this, to accentuate your point about taking the bull by the horns, and getting it done yourself. Problem...along with the ill conceived "validation", is you are asking for so much money that it comes across as a con. And to be honest, seeking that much money for something like this is deceitful, no matter what you "say" you would do with the leftover money.


    To make matters worse, you have broadcast your intent to make this a luxurious trip for all to see. That makes you somewhat of a "hot potato", should this get any public attention. It could be construed by those not familiar with your bull in the china store style, that you are intentionally using this forum, it's members, and the staff as a staging platform to illicitly make money off of others. All under the guise of a save the planet hair brained scheme.


    You really need to stop with the games, and take some action to put an end to this. If not, we need to put as much distance between you and us as we can.

  • I do not have to be the one going to London to do this. Anyone near there can use this money and visit the lab.


    Fine... I’ll do it... If you insist.


    Just send me 10K so I can get a helicopter there and back. Seems pretty fair.


    Think of it as a favour Kev. I imagine you’re one of those people who aren’t very good at being on a plane. ‘Escorted off by police' as the newspapers say. Probably in Ireland to avoid putting up with you for an extra hour.

  • Great! Bitcoin transfer OK? Best these kind of dealings are kept anonymous, I reckon.


    Although it all might be a moot point seeing as no-ones been daft enough to stump up any readies yet. You should advertise it on ecatworld perhaps? That lot aren’t exactly known for their critical thinking skills.


  • I am not changing the subject. And as usual, my questions were not answered.


    This is my answer to the question of what it would take to bell the cat. Of course I think YOU should bell the cat, or Jed, since he's tested cold fusion devices before. But the question is "what would it take for ME to bell the cat". This is the answer.


    Like I said, It only took me a few keystrokes to get started with the GoFundMe thing, and I can say unequivocally that it's a relatively painless process that doesn't take much time. So... there's that removal of excuses thing going on right there.


    Those are the elements of what it takes to bell the cat: Willingness, time, capability, wherewithal . Those who have the time and willingness are low on capability and wherewithal. Those who have the capabilty and wherewithal are low on willingness and time. Most of us can develop capability and wherewithal, but we can't really develop willingness and freed time .


    To be candid, there's one more element: Bullshit. When Celani pulled out his Geiger counter , Rossi climbed all over him because it could point to what he was using in his cells. Probably bullshit. MFMP announced they found gammas, Biberian replicated it 48 hours later, then they went off and tested other stuff without saying a word. Bullshit. Now we have MFMP coming back on line to send me a private message because they're not on Vortex-L nor here, how they quietly referenced the gammas in some peer reviewed thingie, surrounded by a ton of.... bullshit. Then we have Alan on here claiming he has gammas, so I'm ready to answer the question for myself as to what it would take me to overcome all the bullshit that's been thrown around over this gamma issue, and including the bullshit thrown around here. So you have my answer. It should be easy to underbid me for those who have a higher tolerance of bullshit. Then everyone's happy, and the cat gets belled.

  • Great! Bitcoin transfer OK? Best these kind of dealings are kept anonymous, I reckon.


    Although it all might be a moot point seeing as no-ones been daft enough to stump up any readies yet. You should advertise it on ecatworld perhaps? That lot aren’t exactly known for their critical thinking skills.


    You are welcome to underbid me on GoFundMe. It should be easy to do, since my asking price is so high.