Rossi vs. Darden aftermath discussions

  • Coolescence is closing down, all their equipment is to be auctioned. Some cool stuff there!




    After 12 years of cold fusion research Coolescence has determined it is time to bring its efforts to a close. Our lab equipment will be liquidated at an on-line auction on October 18. Auction details may be found here:



    Best regards, Matt McConnell Rick Cantwell.


    AUCTION LINK...

    http://www.rollerauction.com/i…n--internet-only-10-18-17

  • Here is the official statement from their website which I thought I would post before it is removed

    "

    Surface Science. Hydrogen Energy R&D.

    Coolescence LLC is a privately funded research company located in Boulder, Colorado. The company was originally formed to rigorously examine repeated experimental reports of so-called 'cold fusion' from a number of scientists around the world. Over the past 10 years the Coolescence team has replicated the most celebrated of these experiments, with no positive results that have not been attributable to measurement artifacts or chemical effects.


    "


    As always, when top scientists with advanced equipment test LENR/CF claims, they meet failure. The laws of physics are indeed hard to violate.

  • Here is a link to their analysis of another claim of CF where they attribute the excess heat claim to an incorrect calibration item.

    http://www.coolescence.com/201…of-mmiles-experiment.html


    I applaud them for the great work they did in revealing the truth about CF/LENR. Hopefully, individuals who were thinking about investing in CF/LENR will look at their work and IH's work and decide against it. This will save these investors millions of dollars that could be invested in real fusion. It will also save them from potential lawsuits.

  • With a name lab- equipment like coolescense used, it was certain to fail. What were they drinking?

    Fixed the quote for you.


    You need to use rusty pipes, plumber tools, cheap and out of spec measuring instruments, lousy test protocols, gullible supporters ... just like Rossi does ... then you will be "successful" with LENR.

  • I applaud them for the great work they did in revealing the truth about CF/LENR. Hopefully, individuals who were thinking about investing in CF/LENR will look at their work and IH's work and decide against it. This will save these investors millions of dollars that could be invested in real fusion. It will also save them from potential lawsuits.


    LINR,


    Do you really want everyone to just stop looking into LENR? Coolescence shutting down is discouraging, and I sometimes wonder myself if everyone is not chasing lab artifacts. But I take IH's position that even if there is a 1% chance, it is worth pursuing. Just too important to walk away IMO.


    And really, the world of research is huge, and the relative few resources going into LENR are just a drop in the bucket. Not everything studied pans out, and maybe LNR won't, but sometimes you learn something new going down dead ends.


    I would ask the same question of KS, or any skeptic for that matter: do you want the research to continue?

  • Forty-Two.


    These are my views . I do not comment on Rossi .


    "If you use rusty pipes, plumber tools, cheap and out of spec measuring instruments, lousy test protocols, gullible supporters "


    You will be an unsuccessful plumber in Australia.


    But plumbers are so expensive here. Had to clean the shit /tree rootsout of my sewer pipe last week.


    Took me 3 hours with the electric eel and14 metres of 'pipes'.$103 hire. Cost for a plumber...$400

  • I understand your point. However, given that the hundreds of millions of dollars already invested in CF/LENR have turned up nothing that is marketable or perhaps even believable, what more do you want? This company used advanced equipment like mass spectrometers and came up empty. And, I think 1% is being generous. There have probably been hundreds or even thousands of claims in the past 28.5 years. So, it's more like 0.01% There is not even a viable theory for this that I can find. Asking people to invest in this without an established theory as a starting point is not proper.

  • Focardi simply wrote a "theory" devoid of any scientific basis and he never tested any E-Cat independently from Rossi.

    He was a dreamer that was already convinted about CF, Rossi used him to get some "scientific credit" and in order to cover his hoax.

    The theory written by Focardi is not at all devoided of any scientific basis! All the theories on LENRs are still hypotheses, otherwise we could read about LENRs in the most famous mainstream scientific journals. But that doesn't mean that these theories are unfounded, and what Focardi has written is perhaps not the right explanation for the functioning of the E-Cat, but it is not without foundation. Maybe Focardi has always tested the E-cat in the presence of Rossi, or maybe not .... how can you know that? Were you his assistant? Anyway, before he met Rossi, Focardi had already achieved several successes with cells built personally by him, so his confidence in the LENRs was not born with the E-Cat. What you say about the possibility that Focardi has been bamboozled by Rossi qualifies you as an ignorant who knows nothing about Focardi or about his research field, and who talks nonsense for the only purpose of insulting Rossi.

  • I suspect, after another 3-4 years of supposed tests/demos/fake customers etc

    and a grand total of zero sales, factories, customers, replications Rossi will take whatever money he has scammed from whoever and just go away.

    Can't wait

    You can't wait to see Rossi disappear, yet you spend your time on this and other forums to comment on what he does and insult him continuously. If you really hate him, ignore him. Instead, you can't do without repeating the usual nonsense over and over again. People like you look really obsessed by the E-cat, much more than Rossi's supporters. Rossi's followers will continue to read and support his blog because they know that Rossi will succeed in revolutionizing our lives with his devices and they also know that changes of this type take time and resources. There will be the demo of the QuarkX, there will be the first plants with which Rossi will sell energy, and then the first devices will come on the market. And for then you will still be asking everyone if they believe that Eout > Ein ........ have a good time!

  • Except for the "thrown on the garbage heap" that sounds about like what any scientist would expect to encounter in the peer review process. Shame they did not have the fortitude to defend their testing protocol and results. Good thing most others are not so risk averse, or we would still be hunter/gatherers.

    Normally the peer reviewing process has nothing to do with throwing on the garbage heap. It is an exchange of views on a topic that can lead to corrections if necessary, but what Alan says is about bringing discredit regardless of the quality of the work, and is usually done with one purpose (in this case an attack to Rossi). In fact, if you read what Alan wrote you can see that he doesn't talk about lack of fortitude but speaks instead of very different constraints (he said: "You have zero idea about Levi or his problems or the academic politics involved"). The authors of Lugano know well that it will be the Time to tell who was right, because when Rossi will be on the market there will be no need for any other testing. Until then they do not want to be lynched by people who have a specific purpose to do so.

  • The suggestion that anyone would want to harm Rossi to prevent his invention from resulting in products is beyond silly. And suppose it were true in some alternative universe, Rossi could simply write up the secrets, put them in a safe deposit box somewhere and give keys to a half dozen or so trusted people in secret.

    There are many ways to eliminate a person from the scene, and not all imply the use of violence. You can spread slanders on his account, you can make accusations that make him end up in jail for the time it need to verify that they are not true, you can fill the web with insults on his account, hoping to deter potential investors from doing business with him, and these are just a few examples. Rossi knows them all because he has been facing these situations for years, but nothing has stopped him. He will have its revenge sooner or later.

  • BTW, we will know for sure in a few years the exact sort of scientist Levi (and the Swedish scientists who tested Rossi's kludges) is.

    Exactly Mary, you just have to have the patience to wait and maybe in the meantime you might abstain from spitting insults against Levi and the Swedish professors, as they are completely unfounded and offensive phrases. Less nonsense you say and less excuses you will have to ask.

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    There will be the demo of the QuarkX, there will be the first plants with which Rossi will sell energy, and then the first devices will come on the market. And for then you will still be asking everyone if they believe that Eout > Ein ........ have a good time!


    Let me see if I understand you. Rossi heated a whole factory in 2007. Since 2011 he promised cheap nickel isotopes made by him, robotic assembly lines for ecats, megawatt power plants and certificators working around the clock to make ecats sellable to the public. He also had more than a dozen customers and made many deliveries of megawatt plants. He has orders for dozens more. He had a distributor network worldwide to bring in more orders and a large deposit would guarantee you delivery within, what was it? Four months, IIRC. He is buying a factory in Scandinavia. Finally, his partnership with IH was going to prove the concept once and for all and make the participants billions.


    Do you see and have you ever seen a shred of evidence that any of that was true? One lousy shred?


    So I figure your reasoning is: Rossi has been lying to everyone about everything since he started. But when it comes to the least likely claim he ever made, the QuarkX, he is telling the truth. Is that about it?

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    There are many ways to eliminate a person from the scene, and not all imply the use of violence. You can spread slanders on his account, you can make accusations that make him end up in jail for the time it need to verify that they are not true, you can fill the web with insults on his account, hoping to deter potential investors from doing business with him, and these are just a few examples. Rossi knows them all because he has been facing these situations for years, but nothing has stopped him. He will have its revenge sooner or later.


    Nonsense. You think someone like Musk or Gates is going to give a sh*t about that crap if he's standing next to a megawatt plant churning out power and running a factory on a thimblefull of nickel and other cheap stuff and a whiff of hydrogen?

  • You can't wait to see Rossi disappear,


    SSC,


    For the past few days, Rossi has been writing the script for his exit strategy. He is going to stretch out the QX (amazing how we do not even talk about the LT's anymore...just as he wanted) for a long, long time, and slowly let it fade away. By the time you guys realize what happened, he will be enjoying retirement, and having a good laugh at how gullible people can be.

  • Nice try. I suggest everyone that can to test it. Don't take my word alone. But I have made many tests.

    Oh ho the Genius come in ! Tell me guru how hot is your plate ?

    Normal electric heaters go up to about 400 °C and in this (low) range of temperature the Lugano group successfully calibrated their instruments and found no artificial COP with the empty reactor.

    They even measured the emissivity of the Alumina on the pipes remember ?

    So I see that you are here to collect the applause of the professional anti Rossi team but I think that you have done wrong measurements !

  • For the past few days, Rossi has been writing the script for his exit strategy. He is going to stretch out the QX (amazing how we do not even talk about the LT's anymore...just as he wanted) for a long, long time, and slowly let it fade away. By the time you guys realize what happened, he will be enjoying retirement, and having a good laugh at how gullible people can be.

    Bullshit !

    I see that you pretend to be the only non "gullible " guys in the world !

    To retire Rossi would have to sell the QX or his IP (otherwise why not to retire now) and to sell it means that other people will try the technology.

    From the patents we see in this Forum we understand that even IH knows that the Rossi technology works ...... just they were not wanting to spend 89 M$ more to use it.

  • As always, when top scientists with advanced equipment test LENR/CF claims, they meet failure. The laws of physics are indeed hard to violate.

    Have you ever thought that may exist laws of Physics that are still unknown ?

    Which laws of Physics you are refer ?

    Did you know any ?


    You cite a company like the bible......

    so why other companies in so many countries are still studying LENR ?