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    Quote from Alan Smith

    How do we avoid that scenario in the current situation?

    Ivermectin: Immediately treat all tested positive.

    Quote from zorud

    "“There is a rich body of study that shows COVID is a highly prothrombotic state, and as a consequence, thrombosis and stroke occur in even young healthy individuals who have mild symptoms after infection.”

    Yes: Endothelia break down leads to all sort of problems including local vessel infections/inflammation. But as said we talk of death from blood clots what counts. Vaccines e.g. Pfizer cause clots (haemoragic disorder is more precise) that nobody can resolve. The CoV-19 clots can always be resolved!

    Quote from Alan Smith

    The potential problem with the presence of a large group of un-vaccinated under-30's with good immune systems is that they will act as a breeding group for more infectious and possible more pathogenic new mutations of the virus. How do we avoid that scenario in the current situation?

    If a young person with a good immune system gets seriously infected, he must have got a super high dose of virus, which is generally unlikely because young people don't enjoy hanging out with older, sick people. ^^

    A healthy young person won't give the virus a foothold because of his fast acting innate immune system, with it's kick butt killer T cells.

    The idea that healthy young people are potential cauldrons of infection, even when they seem healthy, is a lie from the pit of the pharmaceutical industry.

    Quote from zorud

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazet…-spreaders-of-sars-cov-2/

    So far all good new:

    In a study of 192 children ages 0-22, 49 children tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, and an additional 18 children had late-onset, COVID-19-related illness. The infected children were shown to have a significantly higher level of virus in their airways than hospitalized adults in ICUs for COVID-19 treatment,


    Unluckily such a study is not relevant as three groups were mixed. Children age <12 behave different than older and infected children. Nobody ever did see 49/192 children testing positive...So how did they select??


    Also good to see that only children with a very high virus load show up! Bu children produce much less aerosols due to less powerful mechanics. Also their virus are produced on "first floor"...


    It is obvious that teh pharma mafia tries to construct a case for vaccinating children as in all journals you can read more or less the same themes occur at the same time.


    One more proof that FM/R/J are only dumb & greedy cricket brains!

    Quote from zorud

    High levels of Vitamin D to prevent SARS-Cov2 infection a myth?


    Findings  In this cohort study of 18 148 individuals whose vitamin D levels were measured before the COVID-19 pandemic, low levels of vitamin D were associated with SARS-CoV-2 seropositivity in unadjusted univariable analysis. However, after adjusting for potentially confounding factors, including age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, body mass index, blood pressure, smoking status, and geographical location, vitamin D level was not associated with SARS-CoV-2 seropositivity.


    https://jamanetwork.com/journa…ftm_links&utm_term=051921

    What was the right correlating factors among age, see, race/ethnicity, education, body mass index, blood pressure, smoking status, and geographical location.

    I am not an expert (as many others here) in serology, epidemiology, virology and statistics, so I cannot judge what was right or wrong with these correlations, but I would expect that they did not came up with simply fictious factors or parameters...


    "In multivariable models adjusting for age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, body mass index, blood pressure, smoking status, and geographical location, SARS-CoV-2 seropositivity was not associated with having a vitamin D level less than 20 ng/mL before (odds ratio [OR], 1.04; 95% CI, 0.88-1.22) or during (OR, 0.93; 95% CI, 0.79-1.09) the pandemic; it was also not associated with having a vitamin D level less than 30 ng/mL before (OR, 1.09; 95% CI, 0.93-1.27) or during (OR, 1.05; 95% CI, 0.91-1.23) the pandemic. Similar results were observed in propensity score analyses. SARS-CoV-2 seropositivity was associated with obesity (OR, 1.26; 95% CI, 1.08-1.46), not having a college degree (OR, 1.40; 95% CI, 1.21-1.62), and Asian (OR, 1.46; 95% CI, 1.13-1.87), Black (OR, 2.74; 95% CI, 2.25-3.34), Hispanic (OR, 2.65; 95% CI, 2.15-3.27), American Indian or Alaska Native, and Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander (OR, 2.01; OR, 1.54-2.62) race/ethnicity, and was inversely associated with high blood pressure (OR, 0.82; 95% CI, 0.70-0.96), smoking (OR, 0.60; 95% CI, 0.47-0.78), and residing in the US Northeast (OR, 0.75; 95% CI, 0.62-0.92) and West (OR, 0.54; 95% CI, 0.44-0.67). "

    It is a lie. PCR counts regard viral debris, not necessarily viable virus.

    Also, even early on the WHO has said that asymptomatic spread is rare.

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    Granted, pre-symptomatic spread is possible, but the viral shedding is low at that point (and peaks a few days after symptoms start).

    The fact remains that studies continue to show that there is very little Covid spread in schools among students. Individual students are infected by adults outside the school.

    Why are schools closed? Primarily because of the wussy teacher unions and health officials.

    Quote from zorud

    In multivariable models adjusting for age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, body mass index, blood pressure, smoking status, and geographical location, SARS-CoV-2 seropositivity was not associated with having a vitamin D level less than 20 ng/mL before (odds ratio [OR], 1.04; 95% CI, 0.88-1.22) or during (OR, 0.93; 95% CI, 0.79-1.09) the pandemic

    Why do you always post links of completely useless studies? What is your true motivation??


    V-D3 deficit is strongly correlated with severe cases of COV-19. The same for Zinc.


    Who does feed you FM/R/J ??

    Quote from Fm1

    If half the money that went to vaccine development went to early treatment do you think we'd even be having this discussion ?

    Without the vaccines we would see 100 million more dead people. Early treatment has hardly worked. Even with the best healthcare systems in Korea and Japan it has reduced the mortality rate from ~2.0 to ~1.6. You could not replicate this in countries such as India or the U.S., because our hospitals are a filthy shambles compared to Korea. The death rate from every disease is higher. (I mean hospitals for most people, not rich people.)


    There is no panacea. Some research tests found that ivermectin works; others found it did not. That tells us that if does work, it requires skill to administer, and probably a good hospital environment. A vaccine requires no skill, no time, no expense, and it works nearly every time. It does not prevent all breakthrough cases, but it prevents death over 99.99% of the time. Ivermectin clearly does not work that well.

    As most people know, infection and death stats for every country are shown here:


    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


    The data is from reliable sources such as the national ministries of health. Most of these are reliable because if they lied, local people would call them out, as they have in India.


    Vaccination stats are here:


    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations


    Comparing the two, you see that infection rates and deaths fall quickly when vaccines reach ~30% or more of the population. At 50% to 60%, they fall to zero. But not right away. In the UK and Israel they are close to zero, but these two countries reached high levels of vaccinated people in mid-March 2021. Mongolia reached high levels of vaccination more recently, in mid-May. Infection rates in Mongolia are now falling rapidly, but they are still far above zero. Active cases are falling very rapidly.


    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/mongolia/


    A similar pattern is seen in U.S. states. States with high vaccination rates show steep declines in infection and death. States with low vaccination rates remain mired in sickness and death. That may also be because in places where many people refuse the vaccination, they also refuse to wear masks or take other precautions. Georgia counties that had the highest per capita numbers of cases and deaths in 2020 now have the lowest vaccination rates. Many people in these places believe the kinds of lunatic conspiracy theories about the vaccines peddled here by Wyttenbach and other members of the Death Cult.


    Months ago, many experts predicted that herd immunity would be reached somewhere around 70%. Others said it would take ~80%. But the UK, Israel and some U.S. states seem to be approaching herd immunity with only 50% to 60% vaccination rates (when you include children). They are falling rapidly to zero. I wonder why. I think there may be two reasons:

    1. Herd immunity is somewhat lower than the experts thought.
    2. In the U.S. and the UK, a large fraction of the population was infected and now has acquired immunity. At least ~10% of the U.S. population was infected, and 7% in the UK, and it was probably more. Vaccinations + Acquired immunity may bring the total up to 70%. I do not know what the overlap is. That is to say, I do not know what percent of people who got sick are now getting vaccinated, but I have heard many do not. They think they do not need it. This is a mistake on their part, but they probably will contribute to herd immunity.

    The fact that ~10% of the U.S. population was infected and 600,000 people died tells you this would have been a lot worse without the vaccines. Suppose the infected population was actually 20%. We would still be looking at another 50% of the population being infected before herd immunity is reached. In other words, 2.5 times more deaths; ~1.5 million more. I doubt it would be as bad as that, but there is no doubt hundreds of thousands more would die. Therapies have only marginally improved since last summer. The case mortality rate fell at first, but it has been about the same after July 2020. Perhaps ivermectin is all that supporters hope for it, but even if it is, it would not save that many. The negative tests tell us that.

    Quote from Wyttenbach

    Vaccines e.g. Pfizer cause clots (haemoragic disorder is more precise) that nobody can resolve.

    No, they do not. The adenovirus vaccines have caused a few cases of this. Less than 1 per million when I last checked. The mRNA Pfizer ones have not caused any cases of this. Also, the cases can be resolved. Doctors are now on the lookout for them, and they know to treat them, so it is unlikely any more patients will die from this.

    Quote from zorud

    I am not an expert (as many others here) in serology, epidemiology, virology and statistics, so I cannot judge what was right or wrong with these correlations, but I would expect that they did not came up with simply fictious factors or parameters...


    "In multivariable models adjusting for age, sex, race/ethnicity, education, body mass index, blood pressure, smoking status, and geographical location, SARS-CoV-2 seropositivity was not associated with having a vitamin D level less than 20 ng/mL before (odds ratio [OR], 1.04; 95% CI, 0.88-1.22) or during (OR, 0.93; 95% CI, 0.79-1.09) the pandemic; it was also not associated with having a vitamin D level less than 30 ng/mL before (OR, 1.09; 95% CI, 0.93-1.27) or during (OR, 1.05; 95% CI, 0.91-1.23) the pandemic. Similar results were observed in propensity score analyses. SARS-CoV-2 seropositivity was associated with obesity (OR, 1.26; 95% CI, 1.08-1.46), not having a college degree (OR, 1.40; 95% CI, 1.21-1.62), and Asian (OR, 1.46; 95% CI, 1.13-1.87), Black (OR, 2.74; 95% CI, 2.25-3.34), Hispanic (OR, 2.65; 95% CI, 2.15-3.27), American Indian or Alaska Native, and Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander (OR, 2.01; OR, 1.54-2.62) race/ethnicity, and was inversely associated with high blood pressure (OR, 0.82; 95% CI, 0.70-0.96), smoking (OR, 0.60; 95% CI, 0.47-0.78), and residing in the US Northeast (OR, 0.75; 95% CI, 0.62-0.92) and West (OR, 0.54; 95% CI, 0.44-0.67). "

    So effectively, the things you have stated from the study do associate covid with lower abilities to absorb/make vitamin D in the skin from an equal amount of outdoor light. Aside from smoking, obesity, and high blood pressure all other variables correlated with having higher skin melanin content along with living in dimer geographical regions of the world. How much Vit D utilized by antiviral systems in the body may differ from the amount floating in the blood this time around.

    Quote from RobertBryant

    Zimbabwe must have had vaccinations...? in January?

    from worldometer

    I do not trust data from Zimbabwe. I know little about that country, but the government is corrupt and not trustworthy.


    I do not trust data from India, either, because there are many credible news reports that they are undercounting cases. There are cities where the government says only a dozen people died, but witnesses living near open air crematoriums see hundreds more fires than usual. What I wrote above is a little unclear:


    "The data [at worldmeter] is from reliable sources such as the national ministries of health. Most of these are reliable because if they lied, local people would call them out, as they have in India."


    Suppose they were severely undercounting cases in Israel, and not reporting deaths caused by the vaccines. If you know anything about Israel, you know that people there are outspoken and not a bit afraid of the government. They will fiercely defend their prerogatives, freedom of speech, and democracy. They would never let the government get away with undercounting cases. Doctors would say "I personally witnessed more than 1 death yesterday." People would report the number of family members and friends who died exceed the officially published number. You could not cover it up. The bureaucrats at the Israeli Min. of Health are probably no better or worse than bureaucrats anywhere else -- at the CDC or the Indian public health agencies. They are probably as willing to lie as any. But, because of the society they live in, they cannot get away with lying. In India the bureaucrats are lying, but everyone knows it, and it is widely reported. I don't understand what is in it for the bureaucrats. There must be a payoff somewhere . . . In China and Russia people are afraid of the government. The bureaucrats lie, and get away with it, because no on calls them out. Lying brings the bureaucrats, politicians, and the Communist Party power and wealth. So it makes sense that they lie.

    Dr. Scott Gottlieb says vaccinations are not the only factor driving U.S. Covid cases down


    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/…ing-covid-cases-down.html


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    Covid vaccinations are not the only reason U.S. coronavirus cases keep falling, Dr. Scott Gottlieb told CNBC on Friday.

    Other factors include warming weather, cautious behavior and the fact that a portion of unvaccinated Americans have been previously infected, according to the former FDA chief.

    "I think we're going to have a very quiet summer with respect to coronavirus spread and then have to contend with it again as we head into the winter," Gottlieb said.


    More Americans are vaccinated against Covid everyday, but that's not the only reason coronavirus cases in the U.S. keep falling, Dr. Scott Gottlieb told CNBC on Friday.


    In an interview on "Closing Bell," the former Food and Drug Administration commissioner said additional factors contributing to declining infection levels include warming weather and the fact that a portion of the unvaccinated population has already been infected with Covid

    Gottlieb's comments Friday came as the country's seven-day average of daily new coronavirus infections fell below 30,000 for the first time in almost a year; in late March, that figure was around 66,000.


    The case decline has coincided with an expansion of vaccine availability. As of Friday, nearly 50% of the U.S. population has received at least one Covid vaccine dose, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In late March, that number was slightly less than 30%.


    However, the percentage of Americans who have some immunity against coronavirus is higher than the vaccination rates, Gottlieb said, estimating that at least one-third of the population has been infected. The U.S. has had around 33 million total confirmed Covid cases, but Gottlieb has repeatedly said the official tally is an undercount.


    "We don't have data on this, but my guess would be that the infection level among the unvaccinated population is probably higher because a lot of people probably aren't getting the vaccine because they knew they were previously infected," Gottlieb said.


    People who have recovered from Covid do have natural antibodies, but the CDC and other experts recommend they also get the vaccine. In fact, people who had the disease and receive the Covid shot may develop stronger protection against virus variants.

    People who have yet to be vaccinated might have been less concerned about the virus during the pandemic and spent less time at home as a result, Gottlieb added.


    "So, if you assume that the percent of prior infection among the unvaccinated population is more than that third, and it probably is, and you assume that we've given at least one dose to around half the population right now, we're approaching pretty high levels of immunity," said Gottlieb, who led the FDA from 2017 to 2019 in the Trump administration. He now serves on the board of vaccine maker Pfizer.


    And while states are lifting many pandemic-era restrictions, such as capacity limits at restaurants, Gottlieb said, some people have not returned to their pre-Covid behavior, which is helping with case reductions.


    "People are being more cautious, generally, even though we're starting to take masks off and go out and about," Gottlieb said. "People are more cautious about their interactions, so some of that is still having a downward effect on transmission."


    Gottlieb predicted the country's case counts will continue to decline in the coming weeks, while cautioning the pandemic is unlikely to be declared "over." He added, "I think we're going to have a very quiet summer with respect to coronavirus spread and then have to contend with it again as we head into the winter."

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