The “Thunderstorm” reactor as another potentially easy to replicate, and very useful, possibly LENR device

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Even if there is a slim chance they

will make in the Market I will follow.

What it’s all about to me.

Anyone heard anything about Brillouin or Brilliant Light Power?

Had high hopes for them but

have heard nothing for quite a while.At least there is the Thunderstorm Generator has some

Chatter.

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As far as Bendall is concerned, patterns on a surface are not strong evidence for anything other than condensation spots.
There is too much hype with very little empirical evidence.

As far as bringing any of this technology to market, I don't think it is possible with a classical Corporation structure or LLC.
It will need to be done from a non-profit or foundation that gets government subsidies or philanthropic help.

Corporations trying to create cheap power have too much upfront cost and a very delayed ROI from my interpretation on history.

Otherwise, we would have had Nuclear Power across the world by now.
It seems as though very few understand EROI, and in particular as it relates to what is valuable to society.
How many times are we going to keep doing the same thing expecting a different result?

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That is the only reason I give this story a moment of my time. Even if BG gives it his seal of approval, nothing will change until it is proven on the market. I don't expect that to happen.

isn't that the same with any new technology.

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isn't that the same with any new technology.

Probably. In this case, the market will decide if the Thunderstorm works as advertised. But, what interests us here, I believe, is the underlying science that would account for the drastic reduction in emissions (transmutations?), and reduction in fuel burn by up to 50%. Is it LENR related like some hope?

Even if BG determines it is, I suspect mainstream science will ignore him, as they have ignored everything coming out of the LENR community for 34 years. But if the Thunderstorm is proven to work as advertised on the market (which I doubt), then the scientific community may be forced to look at the underlying science, as we are doing here.

So if the market proves it works, it may also validate LENR. The same can be said for Clean Planets boilers, BEC's Q-Pulse reactor, and ENG8's tech.

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So if the market proves it works, it may also validate LENR. The same can be said for Clean Planets boilers, BEC's Q-Pulse reactor, and ENG8's tech.

Millions of pairs of X-Ray Specs have been successfully sold for decades, and they are still for sale today.

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Millions of pairs of X-Ray Specs have been successfully sold for decades, and they are still for sale today.

It's one thing to convince some customers that these special glasses let them see through a woman's dress, but doubtful you could fool them into thinking their gas mileage has improved by 50%.

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It's one thing to convince some customers that these special glasses let them see through a woman's dress, but doubtful you could fool them into thinking their gas mileage has improved by 50%.

I used to think like that, but experience has shown me otherwise. People can convince themselves of anything convenient to them with a little encouragement.

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I used to think like that, but experience has shown me otherwise. People can convince themselves of anything convenient to them with a little encouragement.

You mean, like IH? We shall see. Their investors (Alpha Prospect) say they have a good engineering team checking the tech out.

I did not read the whole thread but is the idea getting anywhere, ? at least a good idea of a reactor?

as I'm basically doing the same thing as its boring as hell work....

ALPHA PROSPECTS LIMITED persons with significant control - Find and update company information - GOV.UK

Christopher Kenneth FOSTER personal appointments - Find and update company information - GOV.UK

Frogfall

I notice that one of the many companies Mr. Foster is associated with is Wiggins (various). That was also an oil business, long ago. One of my brothers worked for them long ago, when their main product was 'Wiggins Superlube'.

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when their main product was 'Wiggins Superlube'.

I'm sure some of the companies on that (long) list are/were legit.

But for anyone who has still not spotted the links between "Empire Energy" (where Bendall was CEO for many years), "Alpha Prospects", and "Tasmania Oil and Gas", have a look at this website.

Plenty to be cautious about in this story. Anyone have any info on "Land Logical Power Ltd"? They are the company Alpha Prospects and Bendall's company Strike Foundation chose to "to introduce the game changing MSAART Thunderstorm Generator to the market".

According to the press release: " Land Logical Power Ltd is a renowned provider of innovative renewable energy solutions dedicated to shaping a sustainable future.The company specialises in engineering state-of-the-art technologies that drive positive environmental impact within the energy sector."

Search turns up very little about them, other than there are 2 shareholders, 1 employee, and been around since 2012.

Land Logical Power is run by Land Logical Group.

This is essentially this guy and this guy - who are involved with multiple businesses, several of which trade in second-hand cars. I guess everyone has to make a living.

This is the group headquarters on google streetview (as it was in 2014)

I can't fully figure out the links with this website and this website. But they are definitely linked.

Interestingly, this was Land Logical Power's website back in August 2018 (not long after the domain was registered)

Note that the LLP gas turbine photo exists all over the web - it is just a stock image.

The link...

If you search the phone number on the 2018 version of the Land Logical Power website, you get the following:

This is the same address in Watford as seen in the Google Street View link, above.

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once Bob got involved

...he has been effectively promoting the thing. The "free energy" forums now seem to be treating MFMP involvement as an endorsement.

Has there ever been a mystery technology that Bob as not been enthusiastically positive about, during any of his "investigations"?

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...he has been effectively promoting the thing. The "free energy" forums now seem to be treating MFMP involvement as an endorsement.

Has there ever been a mystery technology that Bob as not been enthusiastically positive about, during any of his "investigations"?

I once felt the same way about bob but have changed my opinion. The enthusiasm that bob displays reflects what he is seeing in these systems, transmutation and strange radiation. Both of which has no known explanation. I'd be thrilled myself to be able to report the things he has seen. Bob works hard to provide evidence for his enthusiasm. He deserves the benefit of doubt.

Last night I noticed that Bendall's thunderbox can end up glowing red. This would place it into the temperature range for the thermochemical dissociation of water vapour, into hydrogen and oxygen, using metal oxides (e.g. iron oxide).

Sometimes this can happen accidentally (I witnessed an incidence of this over 40 years ago, when steam was blasted across overheated steel tubing on a ship, and the resulting hydrogen fire melted the rest of the tubes). But the basic concept is very old, and has been investigated for hydrogen production, over many years.

If it is true that the Bendall system no longer uses the original electrolyser, which gave it a helping-hand (and he hasn't hidden some kind of Joe cell inside the bubbler unit), then it might now be relying purely on thermochemical dissociation to squirt hydrogen into the engine. So this may just be similar to the GEET after all.

None of this requires "plasmoids", or anything nuclear, to work.

However - Bendall chose to present this "invention" to the world dressed in an array of batshit crazy terminology.

And then along comes Bob - who, instead of looking for prosaic chemical explanations, decides to tell the world that despite the lunatic description, this thing really relies on plasmoids and LENR transmutations to produce energy.

This kind of thing does the entire field of LENR research a massive disservice.