Quote from Alan Smith

If btw, this thread had remained a civil discussion space it would probably not have been closed, but sadly that hes not been the case.

This thread has been civil, and very productive in understanding Rossi's tricks.

This productivity has been highlighted by multiple posters.

I have seen nobody else "insulted" but Rossi (through evidence). If others were insulted, those posts should be removed.

The only person who might consider himself "insulted" might be Sam, but I see him hear enjoying himself and I think he wants to keep the thread.

The Covid discussions and the "Maxwell is an idiot" threads are not civil but they don't get wholesale banned (and they shouldn't).

How about this suggestion. Would any moderator who gets his undies in a bundle when reading the truth about Rossi please just don't read the thread?

I think there is really only one but I may be wrong.

Quote from interested observer

Apparently calling Rossi’s activities a scam is troubling to Sam but saying they have no scientific value is fine. If e-Cat “technology” has no scientific value, what sort of value does it have?

1. Comedic value.

2. Diagnostic value (for various mental conditions).

3. Educational value (a learning experience about scams)

I figured out the next Rossi iteration of the E-cat,

The E-Cat BTC.

It will have a single USB port for use with a memory stick.

The BTC will convert the Skled electron clusters directly into bitcoins, with sophisticated AI mining algorithms run on auto parts.

This device runs on a new type of energy discovered by Rossi, ZDE (Zero-dollar energy).

However, the memory stick must already have a "seed" collection of bitcoins to get the AI trained and running.

New mined bitcoins will be saved to the memory stick as soon as they are mined, but this will take some time.

Rossi will offer a free exchange guarantee if no coins are mined after a 10 year period following delivery.

Quote from Alan Smith

I should emphasise something Shane mentioned in passing, in the light of some positive developments we will re-open the topic. However, I had in mind one particular development, the distribution of SK's to clients, and the subsequent testing of them. There I feel we could be of use. Otherwise I do not feel we have a particular duty to society as a whole to continue discussing the affair.

Whether you like it or not, Rossi is tied to LENR inextricably.

This farce should continue to be exposed otherwise naive people will believe that Rossi is considered in high regard by the LENR community, since their only venue for info would be ECW.

I think some people here are uncomfortable with the Rossi thread because it reminds them of their past associations with him or their beliefs that he had something.

They feel foolish and uncomfortable thinking about it.

Shutting this thread is just trying to sweep the past under a rug, for the selfish reason of not having to be reminded we were wrong.

Quote from sam12

No Go for me if he drops the SKLep for another product.

You can continue to follow if

you like.

You said this before long ago, that you were only giving Rossi up to a certain date with a past iteration, then you jumped on the new iteration as soon as he did the switcheroo again.

You will continue to support Rossi no matter what idiocy he comes up with.

Quote from sam12

Frank has interesting reply to Morgan on ECW.

He realized the Sklep was the future and decided to show it in prototype form.

What actually happened is the Sklep is the only one not completely debunked. Yet.

Of course, it is hard to completely debunk without actually testing the output energy, like that brilliant Levi test didn't do.

Quote from sam12

What doesn’t make sense is how there are only 1100 views of the

Presentation according to You Tube

and Rossi claims to have 100000

orders for the ECatSKLep.

Are you starting to understand why this actually makes sense Sam? The reason being Rossi is just an outright liar?

If you think about all the Rossi claims with that thought in mind, suddenly everything makes perfect sense.

Quote from sam12

A Merry Christmas and a

Good ECat SKLep New year to you.

I was hoping for Santa on his Skled, with Rudolph the skled nose reindeer. But it turns out Santa Rossi, with no physics background, only philosophy, was unable to calculate basic lux equations properly, and thus it doesn't work and we were lied to for 11 years.

Quote from h_l

Sock puppets activity, latency 5 minutes. Not much to do while waiting for a million orders coming in?

Needing 1 million orders, and guessing he would like to get these booked within 1 years time, that comes out very close to 2 orders a minute. During those 5 minutes, he should have had at least 10 orders to record in his order book, with all the variations (ac, dc. 110v, 220v (sic), etc). It is a miracle he had time to respond.

Quote from Gregory Byron Goble

I never expected the SKLED to make it to market and am not disappointed or distracted by this dog and pony show. The "for who" and "why for" of the actions of Leonardo Corporation and its controllers have not been answered in any significant way. These delays are part of a larger orchestration designed for specific reasons, for certain results. Does the United States Government influence Rossi or the controlling partners of Leonardo Corporation?

The Google Inc contract with the US Department of Energy at LLNL and the resultant patent...

Thread

Updates from Google on LENR research

Today I came across a recently published patent application from Google / University of California / University of British Columbia.
Looks like Google deserves a dedicated thread in the Players section therefore I created this one, since I could not find an existing thread.
It may be useful to publish all upcoming updates from Google (Team) in this thread.

Regarding the Google patent application:

Apparatus And Method For Sourcing Fusion Reaction Products

Abstract

An apparatus and method for…

Rob Woudenberg

Nov 28th 2021

...makes for a good counterpoint discussion.

This and other developments lead me to believe that Rossi has had the goods for quite some time and that this technology has been ready for market for a couple of years.

Dog and Pony Show

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Google Inc. CMNS Energy Tech Patent

Apparatus And Method For Sourcing Fusion Reaction Products

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20210151206A1/en

STATEMENT OF GOVERNMENT SUPPORT

2020-03-02 Assigned to THE UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA

2020-03-02 Assigned to GOOGLE INC.

2020-12-07 Assigned to THE REGENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA

2020-12-16 Assigned to UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY

[0002] This invention was made with government support under Contract No. DE-AC02-05CH11231 awarded by the U.S. Department of Energy. The government has certain rights in this invention.

gbgoblenote- Munday Lab/Jeremy Munday moved from the University of Maryland to UC Davis, under a Department of Defense contract after the first two Google Inc patents were published. Also, the lead inventor of the recent patent is the lead scientist at the Fusion Department of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

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Exactly what is the conspiracy theory you are hinting at? Rossi gave a worthless demo to hide his amazing tech from the US government and Google? You lost me with the weird non sequitur tangent about dog and pony shows.

Quote from Deleo

That answer essentially makes his demo useless. I know AR's fans will then point to Levi's report. But AR should have done a demo where he insdisputedly demonstrated an over-unity device. He did not do that in any way.

To his credit, Rossi personally did not claim an overunity device this time.

He did bogus experiments and called on people to draw their own conclusions.

These people are the most gullible/wishful thinking people in existence, so of course their conclusions would be far beyond what is shown in the demos.

Rossi is at the point in the typical Nigerian scam approach of purposely targeting only the most gullible/uneducated/delusional/naïve/stupid, you take your pick.

Edit:

Well actually if I think about it, the 10000 lumens claim requires overunity, as well as implicitly by claiming the voltage and resistor values.

But these are indirect. He never said the word "overunity" that I recall.

Quote from Mark U

Frank Acland ECW Admin • 7 years ago

Andrea Rossi

May 27th, 2015 at 8:27 AM

Frank Acland:

Many well distincted sounds, each of them being important to us. I cannot disclose further. Like a physician with the human body, multiple information is given by a stethoscope, not just one.

Depending on the position I put the stethoscope, I can compose a spectrum of information that T probes, P probes, Flowmeters cannot give. I learnt this about 10 years ago, when I was working in the oil refinery of ENI of Sannazzaro Dei Burgundi ( Italy) on a Diesel generator (GENSET). Their chief mechanic, a very experienced one, teached to me to use the stethoscope to listen all the internal sounds of the engine, associating a specific information to any sound. I discovered this way problems otherwise hidden; so I am doing now with Her.

Warm Regards,

A.R.

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Compare that picture with his current "offering". Electronics nicely mounted in boxes, beatiful paint job, wires neatly secured with ties. What happened? Now we get Amazon auto parts piled on top of one another with jumbled wires on a beat up dining table. And yet a few are sticking with him? Rossi is just mailing it in now.

Quote from Alan Fletcher

Frank's comments on ECW confirm my decision not to dismiss the SKlep results. Might even add another unit.

Really? Was it the part about how he took no power measurements across the resistor, or that he didn't see any heat up of the resistor/tank?

Or was it because Rossi was just so darn nice to Frank, after destroying his and Matts working relationship?

Rossi pulled another bait and switch. Previously, an order commitment of 25 million dollars would have supposedly gotten product shipping. Now it requires a quarter billion! Sure. That is likely to happen without samples available for rigorous testing. Will the control boards ship as demonstrated, all piled on each other haphazardly with wires all over the place?

Does Rossi wear that wig playing tennis with his wife? I would think his racquet would get caught in it a lot. And does he wear it to bed?

The major partner must be pissed.

Also that poor lighting engineer that taught Rossi how to calculate lumens.

So sad to be let go right before Christmas.

I wonder how many on his team are having porridge for Christmas.

Quote from Alan Smith

You just did. But it is irrelevant, unless you are hinting at corruption. And that would be naughty enough to earn you a Yuletide holiday.,

Alan, what is your take on this latest demo? In particular what do you think of Rossi's lux math vs. everyone else's? How does this demo compare to the QX demo you attended?

Quote from nickec

I am trying to look away.  Yet my personality seems to require me to inquire and penetrate the unknown. An inconvenient trait sometimes. Thankfully, there is an upside. Still, here I will strive to invest my thinking in more immediately practical areas. Honestly, I will likely be back at puzzling this out sooner than later.

I refer here not to the 100W power supply. I refer to the hidden. The desire to deeply know the processes all around us, right under our noses, yet unseen, untouched, unheard.

Regardless of whether it works or not, I am dying to know what is inside that white box, the content of which weighs nearly zero grams, after subtracting out the weight of the plastic box etc. Or was it actually completely empty?

Quote from IH Fanboy

This is the kind of creativity we need.

Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it.

Quote from h_l

A good comment on ECW which deserves to be read here also. We only see the measurement of 12V, no amps, and have to take the 1 Ohm resistor for granted. But all it takes is another resistor hidden somewhere.

I find this quote inexcusable:

" Given the low value of the load resistance it was decided not to introduce an ammeter in series

to the circuit in order not to affect the experimental conditions"

He could not adjust the calculations using the resistance of the ammeter? At least verify the results with the ammeter roughly match those without? Ridiculous.