The Playground

  • "And who in the world is his former co-owner in one of those properties -

    Ricardo Ruiz of Davie Fl? Sounds like he has a Sterling problem if this
    is the same guy."


    Are you sure that AR is fortytwo years old?



    "This place is for people seeking the truth. We do try to suffer partisans and forum warriors that occasionally bring interesting information or arguments. But "suffer" is the operative word."

  • Rionrlty

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    I may not be a scientist or a physicist, but I am an excellent judge of human nature, which has afforded me much success in the business world, and the same gut instinct, which supported me there for over 35 years, has led me to conclude that Andrea Rossi and his tech are real and that he is sincere.


    Congratulations on your success but that may depend on knowing your field of work as much or at least as well as knowing "human nature." Your education with respect to human nature seems to be lacking knowledge of con men and how they operate. They all seem credible, reliable and *especially* sincere. It's what they do! Rossi is a classic con man. And he is, as well, a convicted felon with no record of accomplishments. Tell me, had you seen this:


    http://newenergytimes.com/v2/s…al-Criminal-History.shtml


    and this amusing documentary? https://www.youtube.com/watch?…er_embedded&v=uviXoafHWrU

  • Your education with respect to human nature seems to be lacking knowledge of con men and how they operate. They all seem credible, reliable and *especially* sincere. It's what they do!

    Hence the name: con men. Con stands for "confidence" -- they were originally called confidence men because they inspired confidence in the victim.

    Rossi is a classic con man.

    Actually, he isn't. As I often said before the 1-year test, if I were a businessman meeting him, I would run screaming from the room. I have never encountered someone who inspires less confidence. Some businessmen I know who met him immediately detested him, and refused to consider doing business with him. His antics with the people from NASA were amazing. He seemed strange, and so alienating, that was one of the reasons I suspected his claims might be real. I figured he could not persuade anyone by force of credibility. Perhaps he was using a strange kind of reverse psychology.


    Anyway, getting back to Rionrlty's weird "gut instinct" as "an excellent judge of human nature," when the issue is physics and calorimetry, I strongly recommend you ignore your gut, ignore personality, and look at the data instead. In this case, look at Penon's report. If you can't tell that's fake, you are a babe in the woods and I advise you never to invest in anything remotely technical, or anything that requires so much as a junior-high school level understanding of science. It is a straight out perpetual motion machine scam, with heat magically vanishing in defiance of the conservation of energy. If you are one of these people who thinks that can be accomplished with a sauna, or a few grams of "endothermic material," or an invisible heat exchanger, you might as well hand over all your money to the next energy scammer who shows up at your door, or wire it to that Nigerian Prince in your spam file.

  • Unless Jed can back up his assertion with some evidence, even a single post that suggests what he alleges, do you not think this is a comment better suited for the playground?


    Not really. (1) Jed is kind of in the category of principals, so he gets a lot of leeway to be peevish. (2) There was this that he wrote prior to what you quoted:


    There is somewhat credible evidence, from Mills and Thermacore, Piantelli, and in recent years from Kitamura. However, these studies have not been independently repeated, so the second part of your sentence is correct.


    There are also many failed Ni-H studies. I think as of now we should put Parkhamov and me356 in that category. If they come up with better evidence we can move them to another category.


    Rossi's 1-year test is not a scientific claim. It was a crude attempt to defraud people. Anyone familiar with conventional instruments and boilers can see that the Penon report is fake, and that even the data and configuration in it were real, it would prove nothing.


    In short, his post doesn't even come close to warrant being moved to the playground thread.

  • Not really. (1) Jed is kind of in the category of principals, so he gets a lot of leeway to be peevish. (2) There was this that he wrote prior to what you quoted:



    In short, his post doesn't even come close to warrant moving to the playground.


    I agree Jed deserves some slack given his stature in the LENR community, but I think his adhoms are lazy: he rarely backs them up with anything substantive.

  • JedRothwell


    Rossi is pretty classic con man, actually. You are viewing him from your own perspective and you forget that you and people like you, are not his targets.


    Eccentricity is supposed to be part of the persona of an absent minded genius/professor as is some degree of irascibility. Rossi simply pretends to be in that mold. It's an act. Everything he does is an act.


    Read Lewan's book and you can see what a charmer Rossi can be much of the time with people he believes he's fooling. And con men are not trying to charm and persuade the average person. They focus on their marks/victims. I maintain that Rossi's greatest skill by far is recognizing who he is likely to bamboozle with his restricted repertoire of outrageous claims (his pretend athleticism for example and his purchased PhD from Kensington University and all his absurdly ridiculous claims culminating in the hilarious "QuarkX" claims). Rossi focuses his charm on the marks and ignores the rest. And if someone, like you, Jed, for example, or Krivit for another example, seems to be able to challenge him effectively, he gets defensive, angry, insulting (snake, clown!) and nasty. The NASA folks, the Quantum/Australia people, and many others, who wanted to do proper tests of his claimed technology obviously frightened him. Good con men don't reveal their fright, they use several tactics including evasion, deceit, sarcasm, insults, and bravado to distance themselves from the threat. That's what Rossi has done.


    Note: his selection skills work. Look how far he got before he misjudged and went too far with Darden. If he had been smarter, he could be in a non-extradition country right now, with $10M. But many if not most con men are not smart and they tend to have an overconfidence in their skills which is why so many eventually get caught, leaving a trail of losses and disappointed people behind.

  • As I said, the Penon report uploaded by Rossi himself also destroys his claims, except with scientifically illiterate true believers such as yourself. You should have a look at it. Read it and weep.


    @JED: You should be more careful with your words. To call somebody illiterate, is a sign of desperation in the case all arguments are gone. I never believed Rossi anything. I'm just weighing evidence against other evidence.


    Your statements are in general the least well founded ones. I just repeat the worst ones: DN40, 101 degree's all day etc... All proven and agreed by IH to be wrong...


    IF you continue that way, you walk, step by step, aside ROSSI, with the same low level of arguments and truth. Just try to improve the quality of your statements.


    I hope for IH, that they will find some more skilled support. With that level of argumenting they will go down.


    Moved from the Rossi v. Darden thread. Eric

  • Rossi is pretty classic con man, actually. You are viewing him from your own perspective and you forget that you and people like you, are not his targets. . . .


    . . . Read Lewan's book and you can see what a charmer Rossi can be much of the time with people he believes he's fooling. And con men are not trying to charm and persuade the average person. They focus on their marks/victims.

    You may be right about that. See this study from Microsoft:


    "Why Do Nigerian Scammers Say They are From Nigeria?


    ABSTRACT False positives cause many promising detection technologies to be unworkable in practice. Attackers, we show, face this problem too. In deciding who to attack true positives are targets successfully attacked, while false positives are those that are attacked but yield nothing. . . ."


    https://www.microsoft.com/en-u…016/02/WhyFromNigeria.pdf

  • , but I think his adhoms are lazy: he rarely backs them up with anything substantive.

    Yeah? Do you want to tell us anything specific or technical about the Penon report? Do you want to explain what 0.0 bar means? Can you identify the magic endothermic material that stores up more energy than a nuclear bomb? Or show us the invisible pipes going up to the mezzanine where there are no electrical connections?


    YOU have never backed up your claims with anything technical at all, never mind substantive.


    Also, you do not understand the meaning of "ad hominem." It does not mean "hurts my feelings." Pointing out that you do not what you are talking about is not ad hominem. You are the issue here; the facts speak for themselves.

  • Well, it makes sense. Rossi perhaps needs to test the ability of 20 e-cats to heat condos, for which of course he needs 20 condos. I bet they've been doing it for more than a year.


    And given the electric heater thing that RossiSays would be 100% true.

    Aside from Florida being the scam-capital of the country (particularly insurance and Medicare/Medicaid thieves), very generous bankruptcy/property laws, not much heat is required, so Rossi's inefficient hot-water heaters (patented) should be sufficient (although much more expensive than a heat-pump, as heating spaces with resistance-heat always is, and an absolute fire and electrical-shock-hazard). He should however, read the Florida bankruptcy laws; in order to keep one's "domicile" (no limit on the value) in bankruptcy, it must be a single residence on less than 0.5 acres if in a municipality, or less than 50 acres if not in a municipality. Well he has $10M to play with (till he loses in court), say 6 or so for real-estate, 3 or so for lawyers (dumb, dumber, and dumbest move ever), and another 1 or 2 for wine, women, cars and toupees--what a life, why work for a living.

  • An anonymous researcher LookingForHeat is collaborating with. They have just a little bit of data, so far, it's been extended to experts, some deemed it very interesting, others said with certainty it had no significant value at all. Alan Smith is receiving new data as we speak from a three day test-run that will be analysed by him in the days to follow, possible others.

    Alan it would be very interesting to have a comment from you here.

    I find your reactor very interesting but needs improvements on the waveform on my opinion.


    Moved from the Rossi v. Darden thread Alan.

  • Alan it would be very interesting to have a comment from you here.

    I find your reactor very interesting but needs improvements on the waveform on my opinion.


    Hi ele. Thank you for your kind words. Actually you can feed it any waveform you desire or can create, we supply it with a standard 36V DC heater feed for safety reasons - but as it is an experimental tool we do encourage to mess with it as much as they desire.


    Our client with the 'interesting' results is unfortunately an erratic communicator. I have a couple of fuel tubes he has sent me, and just waiting to sort out some kind of a test protocol with him, so more news as and when available- - but after mid-month as I'm going to the conference at Asti on Monday


    Moved from the Rossi v. Darden thread - Alan.

  • Yes, there is not much more, thats why in this thread. But I think the message was 'Paris agreement will come to an effect 2021 so we still have time.' 'Don't worry be happy'.
    There is lots of headlines drawn on todays announcement by Mr Trump, while real effects of it might be smaller than may think at first look. Industry is anyway going down with Co2 emissions (especially California) and at 2021US could even have other thoughts. Some could think that they are already counting on LENR (I'm personally not that optimistic.)


  • Unfortunately, it did not work 100%, but this does not mean that you can not repeat this experiment, because what the data showed is that even a non-functioning reactor shows COP at a time equal to 10 and this MUST be investigated.


    If it doesn't work at 100% it means that it doesn't produce any excess heat or energy and the COP is 1.

    Data showed ... even a non-functioning reactor shows COP 10 (at time?), what? it's just your fantasy of believer, show a proof not another claim.

    It seems that you miss at all of any knowledge about thermal inertia of bodies.


    This post and the next 7 all moved from the Aura thread- too far off topic. Alan.

    JoNP means Journal of Null-Physics (the house of hoax,trickery, junk and psychopathological science).

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    If it doesn't work at 100% it means that it doesn't produce any excess heat or energy and the COP is 1


    The yields in semiconductor industry are often as low as 10% and yet the processors are commonly used. The people who are doing experiments know, that processes which depend on many factors aren't and cannot be fully reproducible. The people who never did any experiment cannot understand it. But what I can see there are too many people hoping in Me356, Andrea Rossi, etc. failure. The question is, what the people who are hoping in cold fusion failure have to do in just cold fusion forum? Whole the progress is about trying of things, which shouldn't officially work - this is the rule. Personally I'm not interested about the skeptic naysayers at all - their mindset will not move us further and it will only deter people from doing of another inquisitive experiments. Which may be finally the less or more hidden intention of all these people, after all. I don't trust these people.


    People with creative personalities see the world differently.  New studies find that the creative tendencies of people high in the personality trait 'openness to experience' may have fundamentally different visual experiences to the average person.

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    what the people who are hoping in cold fusion failure have to do in just cold fusion forum?


    Zephir_AWT  

    Because a lot of chatter are sold as Science and I like to defend Science from chatterers. You wrote only words, show a demo where something has worked in public under independent scientific control.

    JoNP means Journal of Null-Physics (the house of hoax,trickery, junk and psychopathological science).

  • Zephir_AWT

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    You wrote only words, just show a demo that Me356 technology cannot work.

    ROTFL. Really funny :-D :-D :-D

    Now I should demo that something not works?

    Probably you (being a fan) ignore that the Science requires that the claimer (YOU) DEMOs that something works, not me not works.

    Are you able to do?

    JoNP means Journal of Null-Physics (the house of hoax,trickery, junk and psychopathological science).

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    Probably you (being a fan) ignore that the Science requires that the claimer (YOU) DEMOs, not me.


    I'm not fan of anybody here. And I don't claim anything about validity of Me356 technology. We (You and me and everyone here) simply have no data - no less, no more. This is the only fact we have here.