Report on Preliminary Findings From E-Cat QuarkX Testing Posted on Ecat.com

    Something like this. quARC :)

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    Quote from barty

    Simple guess: The quark doesn't work.


    Hello Barty: Are we finally a Rossi forum - far more professional than e-cat... ????????


    I would stop all Rossi ( and IH) discussion threads until this guy (Rossi) is willing to allow an independent test of his claims.


    This forum is about LENR not about fancy internet fakes of any kind.


    It does not matter whether a fool has a solution to some problems of our world or if he is a clown. Science is the truth of our world and if this forum continues to support all the Rossi scammer's, trolls, "pisser's" its no longer an LENR forum. Its only a very common place to gossip about believes... We make the rules not Rossi not IH !!

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    @Wyttenbach: My personal oppinion: I agree with you.


    But we are an open forum, and we don't want to censor a specific topic completely. If so, we should do this democratically and ask each member here in thr forum.


    As you can see in the large amount of postings about Rossi related topics, the most people like to follow and comment on this story.


    The downside is, that the large amount of Rossi postings are dislodging other interesting possibilities and opportunities, so that they are either totally ignored or stay nearly unnoticed, just because Rossi is the center of the LENR universe all the time. And this without showing one single clear evidence.


    From a psychological point of view, this crowd behaviour could result in a very interesting psychological study...


    Maybe we should do a survey and ask all users what they think. The Rossi story is just becoming more and more abstruse.

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    As you can see in the large amount of postings about Rossi related topics, the most people like to follow and comment on this story.


    Then you agree that this forum is a social event and not about LENR? Rossi could also be an inventor of something else many people would like to have. E.g. a brain scanner, which tells you what your partner is thinking... LENR is just a hook for all the gossip...

    The only reason that this forum exists, is because of Rossi(see the irony).


    WF invests 50 million in IH, a company that's only created to commercialise the e-cat technology. That investment alone would be enough to silence all critics.
    If you want to live in a fantasyworld where a respected investment fund invests in a technology only because it read on the internet that it maybe could work, I have a bridge to sell you.


    We know now that the real conflict between IH and Rossi is really about the Quark.

    STDM .Can't you see how absurd your standpoint is?
    If tomorrow Mr Rossi shows his inventions + all the technical data,he will get the recognition from the scientific community
    (if its working for sure) and after that,the Nobel price and will earn so much money (i'm not talking about millions),he could not spent
    in his lifetime.

    Before i take some time off (holliday's), some questions.
    1) Blue light?
    I never heard Mr Rossi talked before about this (or maby i mist it),so the quark-x = a total new setup in reference to the e-cat?
    This blurry foto? Why??? (at least a little explanation would be nice)
    This makes me more suspicious about the "fact" that everytime he comes whit revelations,he has to start all over again? (testing, security,lot't
    of work to be done)
    2)security reasons.
    Mr Rossi never have explained why or what (its very foggy),what can happen with a 100 wats device,explode? (you can take measures for that)
    Or has this to do with secrecy? (patents,formula)
    As most people i want to believe but Mr Rossi himself makes it a little impossible with all this secrecy and maby some paranoia.
    I know this all (lawsuit,technical ) is very complicated,but Mr Rossi doesn't make it more clear.

    You're changing the argument. You know that Andrea Rossi isn't a scientist but an entrepreneur. He wants to create & sell products with his own company. If he wants your investment he will show you all the data you want to know.


    Btw Fulvio Fabiani (IH employee) stated that Andrea Rossi deserves a Nobel price.

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    Quote from STDM

    The only reason that this forum exists, is because of Rossi(see the irony).


    WF invests 50 million in IH, a company that's only created to commercialise the e-cat technology. That investment alone would be enough to silence all critics.



    Rossi triggered something about Western cognitive dissonance.


    Western consensus is that Cold Fusion/LENR is debunked by MIT/Caltech and never reproduced.
    This is clearly wrong, but anyone criticizing that meme is attacked.


    Then came Rossi, who gives unproven claims that LENR is industrial. Many people looking for money or to save the planet from global toasting, analyse the situation and see that :

    • There is clear evidences of LENR being real, with good database of experiments, requiring to be reconsidered, replicated, coordinated...
    • there is a smaller chance that E-cat is real, but it would be worth trillion, and even billion when you are not in monopoly but just fast and innovative. and most of all it is new.


    My impression is that Rossi is an excuse for many decision makers who cannot accept that old evidences are good, that they have been fooled by consensus... They are apparent victims of Neomania, love of new things, which make them believe Rossi more than Fleischmann Miles and Lonchampt, but they are unconsciously reconsidering the consensus on the past.


    Today IH like many know that there is much work to do to develop LENR, to develop clearly characterized experiments to be reproduced, allowing theory développement from lab-results to math, and not the reverse. They are in fact like should be any serious corp in 1993.

    This is exactly what makes all of this so foggy.(this is your view on Mr Rossi)
    What do you think than: 1) Spending day's ,weeks,years in developing
    2) Making efford to come with a scientific explanation.(also years)
    For most people this sounds more like a scientific aproach than as an good entrepreneur.
    If Mr Rossi would have been more open from the start (asking other well known trusted scientist's) to review his work,
    he would probably already had the Nobel price in his pocket.
    For sure he want's to make money with his discovery's,but wouldn't it be NICER to be in history books as the inventor of cold fusion.
    All this talk about money is ridiculus,if it works he is the richest man on earth.

    From Rossi Blog reader, I haven't seen this mentioned before. Voids speculation of source of blue light seen in picture?


    Alainco has laid down the foundation for an exploration into the true meeting of the "Rossi Effect".
    If anyone is interested, we will be learning more in the coming months that will greatly aid us in this fascinating study of humanity, and the desire to accelerate and affect change by putting resources to work and at risk along side the ability of a unique few to manipulate and exploit at the edge of science and technology. Thank God there was a parallel hedging strategy.

    No need to call names Mr Weaver.(this is why there is discussion to ban curtain "things "people)
    You also do a lot of "asuming"
    Didn't people tel you that you can loose money with investments?
    My point is more about the absence of CLEAR evidence.
    For now i still believe there is something going on with cold fusion.
    If it will be Mr Rossi to proof this ,i don't know.

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