me356's TWO Secrets For Excess Heat Revealed?

  • Short VERSION:


    Secret #1 - Vacuum your nickel under heat.


    Secret #2 Apply additional hydrogen in a step like manner after heating of LiAlH4.




    Update #1


    In an old post by Me356, he reveals the first and second secrets of producing excess heat!

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/for…1/?postID=16659#post16659
    "What replicators really need is vacuum pump and some additional hydrogen source. This will solve many problems."


    Here is the entire post in case he deletes it.


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    I hope that in terms of weeks. More time mean a better COP. My goal is at least COP of 3 that should be convincing enough and quite usefull for a real usage.
    There are many many things to try that could improve it dramatically, but it takes a lot of time to develop a new design that can utilize the improvement. And of course most of these are wrong.
    I am learning new things with each experiment so I have no recipe yet.


    What replicators really need is vacuum pump and some additional hydrogen source. This will solve many problems.


    I believe that MFMP will achieve higher COP very soon too, it is just matter of time.


    I understand what he means by the above.


    First, the need for a vacuum pump is obvious. Oxygen, carbon monoxide, and other trapped gases must be removed from the nickel lattice. They fill up space that hydrogen needs. Until the oxygen, carbon, and other gases are removed, very little hydrogen will be able to enter the lattice. This has been mentioned repeatedly by different individuals.


    Secondly, the need for a second source of hydrogen is obvious. Focardi and others have discovered that hydrogen can be best absorbed by utilization of steps of pressure. You allow a quantity of hydrogen to be absorbed and then you add more hydrogen pressure so even more can be absorbed. Focardi utilized many steps of hydrogen absorption. When it comes to systems utilizing LiAlH4, a very slow ramp up in the hydrogen release temperature range may simulate this. However, having a supplemental source of hydrogen pressure like Songsheng utilized will allow you to increase the hydrogen pressure at temperatures far beyond that of hydrogen release by LiAlH4.


    Thirdly, Me356 has mentioned how areas of clean nickel seemed to irradiate heat much more powerfully than oxidized nickel. Utilizing an initial stage of nickel cleaning is very important.


    The first two of these secrets match up perfectly to Me356's post in which he mentions there are two things that could boost the success rate of Rossi Effect replications to 90%. The use of a vacuum pump and the addition of extra hydrogen in addition to LiAlH4 (only Songsheng has done this) match perfectly!



    me356: Reactor parameters [part 2]



    So you see, everything matches up.


    Now please use this information to replicate!!


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    Vacuum you're fuel -- at least your nickel.


    The secret above is super-freaking-simple and is, in my opinion, the secret (out of the two that Me356 stated existed) that would allow for a 90% success rate if performed by replicators. The percentage may be a bit of an exaggeration, because there are many factors that must be considered in the replication of the Rossi Effect. But unless you vacuum your nickel, preferably under heat, to remove trapped water, suck out trapped gases, vaporize contaminants, and create surface features you're success rate will be extremely low.
    You are now probably thinking, "He's probably just guessing and donesn't know for sure."
    Well, you could be right, and I could be wrong. But I seriously don't think so.
    Here's why:


    - The wise grandmaster of nickel-hydrogen fusion, Focardi, vacuumed his nickel under heat for the reasons listed above. Check out all of the papers he co-wrote. This vacuuming process is mentioned repeatedly. It was a critical aspect of fuel preperation.


    - Songsheng Jiang, who has produced some of the must stunning replications of the Rossi Effect including long term self sustain at high (1300C) and lower (around 180C) temperatures vacuumed his fuel before applying heat -- for twenty four hours!


    - There was a report from Defkalion that if they did not properly vacuum their fuel for an extended period of time, the output would be dramatically reduced. You may or may not believe they ever produced any excess heat. But the fact that vacuuming would make a difference in the output measured makes me think some excess heat was produced at least on certain occasions.


    - Bob Greenyer gave extensive advice to Me356 before the period of testing began in which he experienced tremendous success. One piece of advice was to review the Cannon patent. In that patent, exposing fuel to a high vacuum is mentioned multiple times. If the Cannon patent influenced Me356, the most obvious thing he could have learned was to vacuum his fuel.


    - It has been alleged that Andrea Rossi used a vacuum pump to do the same for his fuel. This makes absolute total sense. Rossi is an avid patent reader and would have found the reference in the Cannon patent. Also, he studied the work of Focardi and the other early Ni-H researchers who stressed the importance of such vacuuming. The thought he would NOT have vacuumed his fuel is absurd. Now, there may be some versions of the hot cat that work in which fuel vacuuming is not required, if for example molten metals *may* remove some contaminants. But I feel that not vacuuming your fuel is taking a big risk.
     
    My opinion is that it is highly probably that vacuuming your nickel as part of a rigorous preparation program is mandatory to achieve a successful LENR replication. It could lead to success rates as high as 80%, 70%, or 60%. Those percentages may not sound extremely high, but the overall success rate in producing measurable, significant excess heat is probably around 1-2%. There have been more failures than most people realize.


    There are other critical aspects that are important in producing a successful replication. But this is a very good start.


    PS


    1 - You can't heat LiAlH4 while vacuuming it or the hydrogen content will be released.


    2 - Apparently, LiAlH4 and nickel powder can be vacuumed together if they are not heated. Be careful not to suck the powder up into your pump.


    3 - Heating the nickel opens up the metal so that contaminants are more easily removed. Possibly, this can allow you to reduce the time spent vacuuming the fuel. Focardi used a temperature of 625C. The combination of baking and vacuum may create microcavities as per "Fluid Heater."

  • Microcavities must be created and emptied of such gases as nitrogen from the air. Hydogen needs a empty voluum to enter so that the crystal structure of the metal can compress it into is super dense form.


    But remember what happened in the Lugano test. The fuel was loaded into the alumina tube in the open air. The experimenters remarked on this. This means that the active LENR agent was resident in the fuel BEFORE the fuel was loaded into the alumina tube. That agent was produced in the fuel preparation process. That agent was stable in the fuel for a good long time. That agent is a special form of hydrogen and/or lithium hydride that does not exist unless specifically prepared.


    Fuel preparation is important in a successful LENR reaction either during reactor startup or beforehand.

  • Axil,


    I'm convinced Rossi performed multiple fuel prep processes on the Lugano fuel before it was ever placed into the reactor. Most likely, vacuum/annealing of the nickel powder was one of these processes. He also most likely pre-hydrogenated the nickel among multiple other processes. We know from other LENR tests that active fuel that has already adsorbed large quantities of hydrogen can retain that hydrogen even after being removed from the reactor.


    Multiple stages of fuel prep are required to be guaranteed that an LENR system will produce excess heat. However, I think a simple mixture of nickel and LiAlH4 can *sometimes* work even if it has only been minimally processed or not at all. But if someone does not vacuum their fuel and pre-hydrogenate, their chance of producing excess heat is low.


    At an absolute minimum, anyone who attempts to replicate a Lugano style device should vacuum their fuel so that hydrogenation can take place inside the active reactor.

  • The analysis of the Lugano fuel indicates that the fuel was preprocessed using spark discharge. There was lanthanide and various of its transmutation products sintered onto the surface of the fuel particle. This most likely came from a rare earth doped electrode used in the sintering process. The deposit of the rare earth and its by produces indicate a vaporization of the electrode including tungsten. The spark discharge would have produced a shock wave that compressed the hydrogen that enters the micro cavities on the surface of the fuel. The lanthanide would have also produce a triple element based hydride composed of lanthanide, lithium and hydrogen. This hydride form would have a very low pressure of H(0) formation.

  • I'm convinced Rossi performed multiple fuel prep processes on the Lugano fuel before it was ever placed into the reactor. Most likely, vacuum/annealing of the nickel powder was one of these processes.


    Whatever he did, it did not work. His reactor produced no excess heat. So you cannot learn a lessons from his procedures. Except, perhaps, what not to do.


    Why do you care what he did, given that it did not work? Or are you still suffering from the delusion that Rossi's 1-year test produced a positive result?

  • The analysis of the Lugano fuel indicates that the fuel was preprocessed using spark discharge.


    This is mere speculation as we only saw the analysis of a very small part of the fuel. Surface concentration of elements can also happen due to selective transport at higher temperatures!



    Whatever he did, it did not work.


    @JED: You repeat this far to often...Transmutations happend or do you really believe that all involved persons are fraudsters???

  • This is mere speculation as we only saw the analysis of a very small part of the fuel. Surface concentration of elements can also happen due to selective transport at higher temperatures!




    @JED: You repeat this far to often...Transmutations happend or do you really believe that all involved persons are fraudsters???


    What produces that transport at high temperature for that extended period of time? The heavy elements on the surface of the fuel were melted onto that surface because those elements were not removed by cleaning. Other than spark discharge, what else could have both vaporized and transmuted the heavy elements including tungsten and transported the vapors so that their vapor became incorporated into the surface of the fuel particle?


    Also see post


    MFMP Video discussing Rossi-tech, prior art and 'making it go bang'.

  • You repeat this far to often...Transmutations happend or do you really believe that all involved persons are fraudsters???


    Rossi definitely engaged in fraud during the 1-year test. It is blatant. He did not even make an effort to hide it.


    With Lugano, he literally had a hand in dealing with post experiment material, and he had in his possession some isotope-shifted material, so I expect he added some to the powder. After the 1-year test he sent the Lugano researchers another sample which came up with the same isotopic shift, to the same extent. That is obviously fake. There is no way a reactor that ran for a year producing 1 MW would produce exactly the same transmutation as a small reactor which ran for a few weeks.


    I do not think the others involved in this experiment were engaged in fraud, but I wouldn't know. I can see they did a half-assed job.

  • There is no way a reactor that ran for a year producing 1 MW would produce exactly the same transmutation as a small reactor which ran for a few weeks.


    There is no claim of a connection to the 1 MW test of the most recent isotope analysis. The leaked paper makes no mention of the 1 MW test. Rossi has made no claims. And neither have the scientists in Sweden.

  • There is no claim of a connection to the 1 MW test of the most recent isotope analysis.


    I believe Rossi said he took the material from the 1 MW reactor on the last day it was tested. That's what Abd and others said. I have not been following the story closely, so I wouldn't know.


    Let me add that years ago I saw many mass spec analyses of powder and other non-bulk material, commissioned by Mizuno The analyses were full of apparent anomalies. It turned out that most mass spec machines do not work right with anything other than bulk material. Power does not work, and the results are meaningless. I do not know if that problem still exists. Perhaps it depends on the instrument. Mass spec analysis of the same material from different labs tends to be all over the map. I do not put much stock in most transmutation claims.

  • Because it was what was used according to eye witnesses. Shock waves are not a requirement for pre-processing.



    Who watched the preprocessing of the Lugano fuel and told you all about it? Curious minds want to know. There are an inordinate number of anonymous people referred to on this site used in claims to authority. People told me ba ba ba... you are beginning to sound like Jed Rothwell.

  • Wyttenbach wrote:


    Rossi definitely engaged in fraud during the 1-year test. It is blatant. He did not even make an effort to hide it.


    I agree that this is what the preponderance of the evidence shows at this time. What kind of fraud is not so clear. The "test" setup involved fraudulent representation. The "test" was conducted in such a way as to raise reasonable, even necessary doubt. That does lead to a default inference that everything he did was fraud. That is not proof, though. Nevertheless, the possibility of fraud has been on the table since 2011. I and others maintained multiple possibilities, and probably IH did the same. With the events laid out in Rossi v. Darden, the probability of fraud went way up. So, then, what about Lugano?


    IH makes no claim of fraud on the part of the "Lugano professors." Nor have I seen any evidence of it. Rather, people -- even professors, and especially professors who are outside their expertise -- make mistakes.


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    With Lugano, he literally had a hand in dealing with post experiment material, and he had in his possession some isotope-shifted material, so I expect he added some to the powder.


    Basically, this is possible. If so, the only fraudster here is Rossi. The Lugano professors committed a number of face-palm errors. Allowing him to handle the fuel (before and after) was one. It seems they were terminally naive. I've seen a number of academics, not familiar with what might be called the "social problem" of LENR, act similarly, imagining that this is like any ordinary academic investigation. In academia, the suspicion of fraud is strongly avoided. Many have treated Rossi as if he were a scientist. He never was. He has some interest in science, but his training is weak, and his understanding of the scientific method is defective, he showed that in 2011.


    Kullander and Essen had a healthy willingness to approach Rossi with an open mind. But their brains fell out. They overlooked the obvious.


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    After the 1-year test he sent the Lugano researchers another sample which came up with the same isotopic shift, to the same extent. That is obviously fake. There is no way a reactor that ran for a year producing 1 MW would produce exactly the same transmutation as a small reactor which ran for a few weeks.


    I have a mind that generates dialectical antitheses. They should not be taken as bald assertions, they are merely opposite statements. Lugano did not produce as much heat as claimed; MFMP is apparently claiming that it was 5 to 10% of what was claimed. That level of XP might produce isotopic shifts over a month. The 1 MW reactor supposedly operated for a year. (We do not actually know the fuel life, whether or not fuel tubes were replaced). If it was operating with some XP, but a much lower level, it is indeed possible that isotopic shifts would occur.


    On the other hand, Rossi manipulation of the fuel is a simpler hypothesis, and definitely plausible. He may have had leftover "ash" from 2014, so he simply gave some to Bo Hoistad in May, 2016. We do not have clear information that this material came from the Doral plant, but we do know that Rossi removed the fuel on the last day of the "test." I.e., when it was over. That fuel would have belonged to IH. What did he do with it?


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    I do not think the others involved in this experiment were engaged in fraud, but I wouldn't know. I can see they did a half-assed job.


    Yeah.


    When the report came out, discussion on the CMNS list was varied. Some thought the results were very interesting. Some thought that there were serious problems. And some considered "both." McKubre thought it interesting but pointed out the very serious problem of no calibration at full input power. That was one of the face-palm errors, with a flimsy excuse given. (In fact, one would want calibration all the way up to claimed power, but that would have been difficult to impossible without modification of the setup (additional heater coils!), and would probably have been unnecessary. As has been pointed out, calibration could have been done at a series of input powers so that the temperature behavior was known and could be inferred, at least, to somewhat higher power. But some artifacts can set in at higher temperatures. It would have been better, probably, to calibrate after the experimental run.


    Jed, I don't think you will mind if I mention that you were the first one to notice -- AFAIK -- the in-our-faces-obvious-obvious. That this wasn't noticed immediately really shows how blind we can be. Almost literally. The Lugano measurement of power was dependent upon the calculation of surface temperature of 1400 C. That is what most critiques have focused on, the possible errors in using an IR camera to estimate temperature of an object like that reactor.


    However, at 1400 C, the reactor would have been white-hot, painful to look at. It was, instead, apparently, a dull red and uneven in that. We all have a portable optical calorimeter that will tell us approximate temperatures. Our eyes. It's a bit crude ... but this should have immediately ruled out, for the Lugano team, the temperature they were calculating.


    Artifacts abound in LENR calorimetry. I understand skepticism based on this issue. I also have come to a conclusion that the work is being done competently by some, and cumulatively by many, but I still wanted to see quantitative confirmation. It comes in various forms. The correlation between loading ratio and heat, between current density and heat, are interesting and supporting. But the correlation between heat and helium nails it.


    If the "Rossi effect" were shown to generate correlated transmutations, through independent testing, it would be definitive. However, IH claims they could not get measurable heat. The MFMP claim somewhat negates that, though at levels far below what Rossi had been claiming (5% - 10% of the Lugano claimed result).


    Heh! How would it be if IH loaned their "Rossi reactors" to MFMP? They certainly could do it, once the smoke clears from Rossi v. Darden. IH could pay MFMP expenses and more, perhaps, or simply allow it. Because of legal complications, I would not advise this until Rossi v. Darden is settled, with one exception. They could make the offer and if Rossi allows it, it could be done. And the conditions of that could make it clear, if Rossi refuses, that he is the one that does not want any independent testing. They could be under NDA, to allay Rossi fears of his secrets getting out, though, in fact, that barn door was left open long ago, when he sold the reactor and the IP to IH without requiring confidentiality on their part.

  • It turned out that most mass spec machines do not work right with anything other than bulk material.


    Mass spectrometer never worked with "bulk material". In industrial MS use, large molecules are fragmented by arc discharge. For fuel analysis powder must first be dissolved in nitric acid.


    They could make the offer and if Rossi allows it, it could be done.


    If mfp would run this in the states, there is no need to ask Rossi!

  • @axil One of the professors. In a private conversation- the rest of which and the identity of the particular prof will remain private. BTM, my comment was not a 'claim to authority' but merely an attempt to stop you haring off down the wrong path.




    You now claim that the experimenters witnessed the preparation of the Lugano Fuel? If you are, that is breaking news. Did Rossi produce the fuel himdelf? Thanks for keeping us all on track.


    With your revelation, the analysis of the fuel in the Lugano report seems to be redundant if the professors know exactly what went into fuel pre processing. By the way, where did all those heavy elements come from...what stage of the pre process was responsible?

  • I believe Rossi said he took the material from the 1 MW reactor on the last day it was tested. That's what Abd and others said. I have not been following the story closely, so I wouldn't know.


    Again, no connection has been claimed. Rossi may have taken samples from the 1 MW reactor on the last day it was tested, as he stated on his blog, but nowhere is there a connection between that and what the scientists in Sweden reported on. When Rossi was asked about what was given to the Swedish scientists, he refused to address it on his blog. The scientists themselves made no connection to the 1 MW test either--you can just read the leaked paper to see that.

  • IH Fanboy wrote:


    I believe Rossi said he took the material from the 1 MW reactor on the last day it was tested. That's what Abd and others said. I have not been following the story closely, so I wouldn't know.


    The claim of connection was made on e-catworld, as I recall. It's been often repeated. When Rossi was asked, he denied having anything to do with the test. This is a great example of Rossi Speak.


    When the document was revealed from Bo Hostad, it said that the sample had been provided by Rossi in May (which is when Rossi visited the Swedish professors.) It does not say that it was from the Doral reactor.


    This is really beautiful. Rossi did not do the test. He simply provided the material. We do know that Rossi removed the fuel from the Doral reactor immediately on completion of the "test." So it could have been from that reactor. But ... this could be spoliation of the evidence, and, as well, theft. Well, what is it? Rossi had some old ash lying about? Sure. Possibly what he put in the reactor in Lugano. Or it could be from some other work of his. And then Planet Rossi goes nuts trying to figure it out. Perfect. A masterpiece.


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    Let me add that years ago I saw many mass spec analyses of powder and other non-bulk material, commissioned by Mizuno The analyses were full of apparent anomalies. It turned out that most mass spec machines do not work right with anything other than bulk material. Power does not work, and the results are meaningless. I do not know if that problem still exists. Perhaps it depends on the instrument. Mass spec analysis of the same material from different labs tends to be all over the map. I do not put much stock in most transmutation claims.


    Setting aside details, transmutation studies are fraught with artifacts. This work, from a single experiment, is not what I'd consider reliable. What is far more reliable is correlation of transmutation levels with energy release. That could easily be done by anyone with regular and long-term access to "reactors." Like IH. Or Rossi, except that hardly anyone is going to trust Rossi any more. He could arrange completely hands-off testing by rigorously independent parties. Don't hold your breath!


    If IH is not getting significant heat, there is no point in wasting money on the analyses. Given what the Lugano team thought they had, analyzing the fuel was reasonable. But allowing Rossi to handle the fuel, before and after, was not.

  • @axil Don't get too excited. As I understand it HT was applied to the mixed fuel before loading into the reactor, OR via a single-wire input to the reactor shortly before the claimed excess heat was produced. I am not sure that such a wire can be seen in the Lugano images- never checked. I was told it was HVDC and that the aim was to produce a glow discharge, not sparking. Time and intensity not known None of the profs know every detail of what went into the reactor, Rossi has never revealed the exact nature of his fuel mixes -or let anyone see inside a fuel container - since the days of Professor Sergio Focardi. And he isn't talking either


  • You now claim that the experimenters witnessed the preparation of the Lugano Fuel? If you are, that is breaking news. Did Rossi produce the fuel himdelf? Thanks for keeping us all on track.


    With your revelation, the analysis of the fuel in the Lugano report seems to be redundant if the professors know exactly what went into fuel pre processing. By the way, where did all those heavy elements come from...what stage of the pre process was responsible?


    If the Lugano reactor actually worked as a glow discharge tube I do not think that there was really need to "preprocess" any powder. It would have been more like plasma LENR.

  • Jed Rothwell,


    I'm proponent of free speech. For example, I'm generally (not always) a fan of street preachers. If someone believes they know a truth, they should shout it from the roof tops. That is not hate, bigory, or terrorism like many politicians want to call it. However, if someone goes up to that street preacher and says, "I pass by you every day and I really don't agree with you. To be honest, I think you're wrong. I'm going to walk to and from work a different way from now on" and the next day the preacher tracks down his new path and makes sure he is on that same street to yell at him, that is borderline harassment.


    You think Rossi is a total conman that has never in recent times produced excess heat. We get that. However, many of us have a far different opinion. Most of us are more than willing to discuss the topic with you in the MULTIPLE threads you are active in.


    But the debate about the reality of the E-Cat is not meant for this thread.


    From now on, since I created this thread, I'm insisting that it be focused on the topic in the first post.


    The truth is that this thread is already majorly off-track because of you.

  • Please see the timeline here: Timing Is Everything


    However, the sample in question was described as "Fuel". This is consistent with Rossi's description to Krivit, where he said he enriches the fuel in both Ni62 and Ni64.


  • You think Rossi is a total conman that has never in recent times produced excess heat. We get that. However, many of us have a far different opinion.


    Uh, huh. Well, you have not seen the data, and I have. So you don't know what you are talking about, and you have no basis to judge. Whereas I do. So I suggest you admit that you know nothing and stop with the ignorant, baseless speculation and "Rossi says" routines.


    (Granted, if you have studied Exhibit 5 carefully, you may know a lot, but most people on Planet Rossi have either not studied it, or they dismiss it.)


    The truth is that this thread is already majorly off-track because of you.


    I couldn't care less about that.