Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

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    The Suncell??


    You mean an arc welder power supply solidly connected to heavy duty mains and the other end probably charging a giant capacitor? Discharging into essentially a short circuit? And you're surprised there is a flash? Oh wonderment!


    PS: what in the world do you think THAT silly and dangerous kludge really is? quantum magic perhaps?

  • I don't think a demo will prove anything definitive. Test driving a new Ferrari is great fun but it doesn't prove it won't overheat in traffic or reliably start on a cold wet morning. But how could somebody from this place not go to see what's cooking- this is LENR-Forum after all.

    That’s a bad analogy Alan,


    Simply prove beyond doubt that Rossi’s device produces Energy Out > Energy In.

    If you can do that during this “demo” wonderful, I will applaud you sir.


    Do you think you can?

  • Yes, we can go to the stars using a little tube hooked up to a power supply that glows bright blue and produces 20 watts of some sort of energy.. Well, a bigger version, no doubt. A big glass tube hooked up to a big power supply that glows bright blue that puts out hundreds or maybe even thousands of watts. The possibilities boggle the mind. I can just see it how: the Starship Leonardo with Rossi clinging to the side with his stethoscope. Can’t take your eyes off it for a minute. Beam me up, Andrea.

  • As a system's and test engineer, I have developed test plans for many and varied systems. It is assumed by everybody in the test and acceptance plan bisiness that the vendor will alway take advantage of loopholes and stupidities in the test and acceptance plans of the customer.

    So, as a test engineer did you tell customers you were dealing with a major corporation that was actually a shell company owned by you? Did you pass out business cards with images of factories taken off the Internet, pretending they were yours? Did you hire some guy off the street and coach him to lie about nonexistent products? Did you claim you had equipment installed in a mezzanine that did not -- and could not -- exist? Did you lie outrageously in legal depositions?


    If you did that sort of thing, you too were engaged in criminal fraud. That is not a normal part of doing business. If you think it is, I sure wouldn't want to deal with you!

  • Black or white? It doesn't matter, it is only one word. You lied. You did not withdraw the lie,

    No, he did not lie. He made a minor mistake, and he did withdraw it. You are using this minor mistake as an excuse to evade the issue, evade supporting your own empty claim, and to insult him and others here instead of engaging in a technical discussion.

  • So, as a test engineer did you tell customers you were dealing with a major corporation that was actually a shell company owned by you? Did you pass out business cards with images of factories taken off the Internet, pretending they were yours? Did you hire some guy off the street and coach him to lie about nonexistent products? Did you claim you had equipment installed in a mezzanine that did not -- and could not -- exist? Did you lie outrageously in legal depositions?


    If you did that sort of thing, you too were engaged in criminal fraud. That is not a normal part of doing business. If you think it is, I sure wouldn't want to deal with you!

    I understand that those accusations were not adjudicated in a court of law and therefore unfounded.

  • No, he did not lie. He made a minor mistake, and he did withdraw it. You are using this minor mistake as an excuse to evade the issue, evade supporting your own empty claim, and to insult him and others here instead of engaging in a technical discussion.


    I missed the "minor mistake" by Bob. I did notice though, as you did, that *he* was evasive, and insulting....as always.

  • I can understand why Rossi does not protect his reputation legally since his capital is now reserved to the creation of a manufacturing base for his products. But I would understand when he begins to generate excess capital at a point in time in the near future, that some part of those excess resources might be directed to fund legal actions against the slanders that have been heaped on him over these many years. These accusations are not good in advancing Rossi's bisiness interests. Let it be determined in court the truth in these accusations and let the weight of justice fall on the heads of those parties that deserve that justice to the full extent of the law. Rossi is beginning to understand the value of a competent legal team and would be well served to use that capability more broadly.

  • Yes, we can go to the stars using a little tube hooked up to a power supply that glows bright blue and produces 20 watts of some sort of energy.. Well, a bigger version, no doubt. A big glass tube hooked up to a big power supply that glows bright blue that puts out hundreds or maybe even thousands of watts. The possibilities boggle the mind. I can just see it how: the Starship Leonardo with Rossi clinging to the side with his stethoscope. Can’t take your eyes off it for a minute. Beam me up, Andrea.


    Funny! Too bad Rossi abandoned the Ecats, as a bunch of those powerful Big Frankies (16 Ecats in a bundle) strapped onto to the aft end of a Starship...now that would have been something. Maybe Alan could ask Rossi in the upcoming demo...if Rossi can hear him 100 meters away at the back of the auditorium , why he abandoned the Ecats?

  • Funny! Too bad Rossi abandoned the Ecats, as a bunch of those powerful Big Frankies (16 Ecats in a bundle) strapped onto to the aft end of a Starship...now that would have been something. Maybe Alan could ask Rossi in the upcoming demo...if Rossi can hear him 100 meters away at the back of the auditorium , why he abandoned the Ecats?

    The Ecats were hard to control and they meltdown. The Quarks are passively controlled and do not melt down.

  • No, he did not lie. He made a minor mistake, and he did withdraw it

    If Rossi had really said ""robotic factories" that ARE a "magnificence," it would have been no :minor mistake. We would never have heard the end of it. Even when the words were put in his mouth by someone else, we never seem to hear the end of it.


    I don't read all Bob's comments. Perhaps I missed it. Show me where he apologized and withdrew the lie. Or maybe don't bother - this pointless discussion has gone on too long already.

  • "this pointless discussion has gone on too long already."

    Still got another 15 days..then the post-mortem...


    McKubre's recommendation was

    to identify several promising LENR avenues

    and back those.


    The Miami demo may assist in the Selection/Deselection of EcatQX.

  • "He would no doubt recommend a series of rigorous tests"

    Deselection of EcatQX is highly likely because is there is more evidence/disclosure from other options.

    Rossi ND most likely precludes rigorous tests from multiple labs


    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ BiberianJPjcondensedw.pdf


    McKubre second paper..pg23

    "Identify what we consider to the best experiments (three or four).

     Recruit multiple laboratories to work on them.

     Write clear scientific papers including multiple authors from the multiple labs. Let us do our own peer review

    first."

  • A question for the moderators: Is the label Empty Barrel too pejorative to use as a descriptive term in these debates?


    empty barrel


    Empty barrel is a term used by older generations (baby boomer and older) that refers to a person who exhibits bluster and puts forth loud uniformed opinions to get attention. {attention-seeker} {loud mouth} {liar} {trouble-maker}


    That politician is nothing more than an empty barrel.

  • On the topic of ITER fusion .

    The Stellerator has been resurrected as W7X in Wendelstein Germany.


    These comments suggest W7X is more promising than ITER


    "The W-7X appears to be working well from initial tests, which is good news. That said, it has a very long way to go. One thing a Stellartor has that a Tokamak lacks is that a stellarator can easily be made modular. A Tokamak does not easily lend itself to modular components. Another issue is that a Tokamak can loose a plasma in such a manner that the plasma will burn through the containment chamber resulting in an ugly and very expensive mess. Stellators cannot do this due to the nature of their field. These later features bode well for a possible stellarator proto-type plant.
    Iter, not completely due to its design, is currently just a money hole that has far, far run over budget and STILL is a hole in the ground with little to show,

    The W-7x is running now and was built within budget (the current machine; however, only after the complete failure of the original company that tried to build the complex magnets; creating those magnets created a 10 year delay!) Luckily, the technology they (W-7X and the new company) developed is rather mature now and these magnets can be built and the process of making these very complex magnets is well understood thanks to that investment. Recent tests using a plasma and at temperature (these are SC and cooled with liquid helium) has proven that the magnets are performing better then theory had predicted - a good sign."by Dennis P Brown » Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:15 fusorfourm


    The prospect of the Tokamak losing its plasma sounds more terrifying than a meltdown with fission reactors.


    240 cubic meters of 150 million K deuterium/lithium??


    Perhaps 20ml of deuterium plasma in a smaller LENR reactor might have less risk..

  • I do not think that McKubre would ever advise funders to proceed on the basis of a DPS (dog and pony show).

    The cliche DPS was worn out before you kept repeating it. The demo is expected to show the E-Cat QX does produce 20 Watts of excess heat. If it does that DPS is a very inappropriate description of the show.


    No one is expecting Rossi to explain how it works yet and from what he's said he won't until he is ready for mass production. I know the skeptics think they are entitled to full disclosure but they are not.

  • How does that work then?


    I'm not sure if I understand your question.


    But if Rossi claims that a certain voltage is ~0 , he can certainly demonstrate it.


    And I'm sure you can figure out better than me whether Rossi is providing an adequate measurement of input power.


    My electrical engineering is rusty, but I don't think the Rossi/Gullstrom paper had a proper setup. It only worked on the assumption that V=0 across the reactor. Do you disagree?

  • The cliche DPS was worn out before you kept repeating it. The demo is expected to show the E-Cat QX does produce 20 Watts of excess heat. If it does that DPS is a very inappropriate description of the show.


    No one is expecting Rossi to explain how it works yet and from what he's said he won't until he is ready for mass production. I know the skeptics think they are entitled to full disclosure but they are not.


    It's not a cliche to call the demo a "dog and pony show," for that is surely what it will be:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_and_pony_show


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    "Dog and pony show" is a colloquial term which has come to mean a highly promoted, often over-staged performance, presentation, or event designed to sway or convince opinion for political, or less often, commercial ends. Typically, the term is used in a pejorative sense to connote disdain, jocular lack of appreciation, or distrust of the message being presented or the efforts undertaken to present it.


    Rossi's demo will be a DPS because Rossi will either take steps to obscure what is going on, or he will, for added fun, throw in things that are obviously problematic. (Just my guess.) I await further discussion of the DPS when the DPS occurs. :)