MFMP:LFH - LION2 100% Replication well beyond LION1


  • I did not know that alumina can be used as an antenna. Can you cite an example of an already existing alumina antenna in current technology? I would be interested and surprised.


    For another thing, I did not know that a wifi or a cell phone connection could produce a 140 V/M e-field. I thought the FCC had regulations to keep such powerful EMF production by that technology to minimum.

  • OK, so from what has been said it appears that a long time LFH customer duplicated Lion (another LFH customer). Since they both have a LFH reactor, I take it the replication used Lion's fuel and protocol. The only effect replicated was the strange melting pattern. None of the data has been released, and LFH is going by what they were told, Yesterdays video BG released of his receiving his Lion reactor was not connected to this announcement. This is all about LFH. Is all that right?


    From here I also gather that MFMP, and LFH/Alan will be attempting their own Lion replication this month. If correct, may I ask if the Lion fuel composition, and his technique are known now by both teams?

  • OK, so from what has been said it appears that a long time LFH customer duplicated Lion


    No - Lion duplicated Lion, nobody else has done so yet. Sorry if that was not clear - I assumed that as BG had referred to LION1 and LION2 and (probably) as I have been close to this the whole time I thought that was clearer. Apologies. Both of us, MFMP and LFH, have been promised by LION that he will supply prepared fuel tubes. LFH will also begin - in fact has begun gathering materials for - a totally independent replication based solely on info supplied by LION. We - by which I mean LFH - are trying to make this as serious and independent a replication as is possible, taking great care over every detail. We can do no more than that.

  • We - by which I mean LFH - are trying to make this as serious and independent a replication as is possible, taking great care over every detail. We can do no more than that.


    To be honest, I think this social media marketing-based Twitter salami tactic by MFMP is inappropriate for this topic. Of course you can catch attention through targeted communication, but this is not about the release of a music album, or the launch of a new sneaker. It is about science on the one hand and the possible beginning of a new disruptive energy age on the other side. This should, in my opinion, be treated more serious by circumvent this nonsense.

  • No - Lion duplicated Lion, nobody else has done so yet. Sorry if that was not clear - I assumed that as BG had referred to LION1 and LION2 and (probably) as I have been close to this the whole time I thought that was clearer. Apologies. Both of us, MFMP and LFH, have been promised by LION that he will supply prepared fuel tubes. LFH will also begin - in fact has begun gathering materials for - a totally independent replication based solely on info supplied by LION. We - by which I mean LFH - are trying to make this as serious and independent a replication as is possible, taking great care over every detail. We can do no more than that.


    Thank you for the explanation Alan, although I am still not clear on everything. I am sure Lion has replicated himself many times, so I do not understand how his latest replication of himself became headline news?


    And you also make clear that no one knows a thing about his fuel, or techniques, so why all the hype and hope? Is there something else you are not telling? If not, then I do not see anything to get excited about.


  • To be honest, I think this social media marketing-based Twitter salami tactic by MFMP is inappropriate for this topic. Of course you can catch attention through targeted communication, but this is not about the release of a music album, or the launch of a new sneaker. It is about science on the one hand and the possible beginning of a new disruptive energy age on the other side. This should, in my opinion, be treated more serious by circumvent this nonsense.


    Rends,


    You are the one that started this off with a new thread and an MFMP video for reference! What is going on? I am getting very confused. We all make mistakes, and nothing wrong in admitting that. It is the cover-up that is bad. It seems there is nothing of substance to this story that I can tell...am I wrong?

  • We all know what LION told BobG. And BobG put it in his videos., but you have to watch them for yourself. However, I got a friend to fillet them for fuel prep methods. Here is the filet, served without garnish.




    1) Extract diamond embedded nickel discs from Green 3M "Diapad" abrasive foam pads. Removal and cleaning of discs performed with modeling knife.


    2) Place discs in aluminum camping pan and bake exposed to ordinary atmosphere in household oven at 200C for one week.


    3) Before they can drop in temperature, drop hot discs through funnel into 100ml bottle of room temperature 99.8% purity deuterium oxide and allow them to soak for unknown duration.


    4) Stack ten soaked discs into a stack and wrap with copper magnet wire (enamel still on and not removed) directly in contact with the discs. Copper wire not always used inside the tube.


    NOTE: I've been informed that this interior copper isn't used by LION in all of his tests and it is not required.


    5) Insert stack of ten discs wound with magnet wire into single ended LFH alumina tube of 136mm in length.


    6) Insert 7-7.5cm long bolt into alumina tube to eliminate free space and keep discs at bottom. Seal bolt with high temp epoxy or alumina cement.


    7) Wrap bottom 1-1.5cm of alumina tube with silver foil. ( x-ray emission foil)


    8) Wrap two layers layer of copper wire over the silver almost the entire way up to the sealed bolt.


    9) Take temperature up slowly to 850c (?) - over maybe 12 hours - Cycle from 500-800C for days.

  • It seems there is nothing of substance to this story that I can tell...am I wrong?


    This is exactly what I mean, for example I have 'a feeling' that with LION serious and important is going on, but beside Alans polite explanations in this thread, the only 'information source' for LION is the Twitter Account of MFMP, no information on http://www.quantumheat.or, no papers, no other sources, only this annoying 'hipp' social media marketing strategy on Twitter. Nothing is clear as for example Alan above pointed out MFMP: LENR is REAL - LION2 100% Replication well beyond LION1


  • This is exactly what I mean, for example I have 'a feeling' that with LION serious and important is going on, but beside Alans polite explanations in this thread, the only 'information source' for LION is the Twitter Account of MFMP, no information on http://www.quantumheat.or, no papers, no other sources, only this annoying 'hipp' social media marketing strategy on Twitter. Nothing is clear as for example Alan above pointed out MFMP: LENR is REAL - LION2 100% Replication well beyond LION1


    Thank you Rends. I am not trying to divide and conquer, or turn one against another. We are all here to save the planet, but these misleading stories just do not help the cause. This appears to be what we call in the US a "nothing burger".



  • Do you have any reason to believe this Lion recipe is different from the many others before?


  • This is exactly what I mean, for example I have 'a feeling' that with LION serious and important is going on, but beside Alans polite explanations in this thread, the only 'information source' for LION is the Twitter Account of MFMP, no information on http://www.quantumheat.or, no papers, no other sources, only this annoying 'hipp' social media marketing strategy on Twitter. Nothing is clear as for example Alan above pointed out MFMP: LENR is REAL - LION2 100% Replication well beyond LION1


    Open source development shown on the internet is about money. People who what this sort of open development to go on will contribute to MFMP and LFH.


    Russ Gries was into open development in a big way. He showed the world what he can do, and as a result, he got a R&D job with a west coast outfit who shut down his LENR work and it became secret Rossi type development. Bob G will not do this conversion from open source to proprietary at least until the LENR cause is well known.

  • There is a relatively simple method to capture information and make even complex content understandable to everyone by answering the following interrogative pronouns:


    Who?

    What?

    When?

    Where?

    Why?

    How?

    What for?

    In the case of LENR and Cold Fusion, we must assume that now more and more interested people attain who have absolutely no idea of the topic, but would like to inform themselves, or need to inform professionally. With e.g. statements like "O Day is coming ... What do you see when you look at the Ring Nebula in Lyra?" and such things you rather ensure that especially decision makers immediately turn away from the topic!


     


  • Are the decision makers providing any support? Why should they dictate the nature of the presentation with having no skin in the game. If the people who contribute have no problems with the presentation, then it is all good.

  • Do you have any reason to believe this Lion recipe is different from the many others before?


    The unique feature of the LION fuel recipe is the use of D2O-doped diamonds. As many research notes posted here by Director and myself indicate diamonds are a potent source of electron emissions. But I would point out that I am an engineer and experimentalist, not a theoretician, and my primary purpose is to replicate LION's work.

  • Can someone explain the differences between something like Rossi's device and LION?


    Is there any chance of this reactor supplying energy for home needs, and is the conversion of power still limited to extracting heat from the device or can a direct conversion to electric power be achieved?

  • I did not know that alumina can be used as an antenna. Can you cite an example of an already existing alumina antenna in current technology? I would be interested and surprised.


    For another thing, I did not know that a wifi or a cell phone connection could produce a 140 V/M e-field. I thought the FCC had regulations to keep such powerful EMF production by that technology to minimum.

    Well alumina is one of the most commonly used materials for making antennas.

    Why? Because it has a decent conductivity and it is light and cheap. Take a look here

    https://ham.stackexchange.com/…tals-for-antenna-elements

  • Can someone explain the differences between something like Rossi's device and LION?


    Is there any chance of this reactor supplying energy for home needs, and is the conversion of power still limited to extracting heat from the device or can a direct conversion to electric power be achieved?


    A cat is just a cat

    Let it rest at that


    Cats are good at resting:


    Rossi's cats are extra talented, they rest in peace.

  • Thetruemonty . That is Aluminium metal, not fused Alumina which is Aluminium Oxide and is non-conductive at room temperature, but slightly conductive at 500C+ according to my own experiments and those of others.


    Well if its not the alumina in the reactor that makes it an antenna its the copper for sure....

    As soon as you have a conductor in there it will alternate the EM fields in the surroundings. And I have the feeling that is what Bob was experiencing in the video.

  • Seems to me that BG should be marketing Hollywood blockbusters. While the argument that public funding means marketing has some merit, there is a tradeoff between sensationalism and broken promises which, in this case, is an unfortunate fact of Bob's record. While the advent of a new age of unimaginable new technologies is a worthy headline, selling it tabloid style only results in serious people rolling their eyes and in fact can only serve to delay the scientific and technological revolution he wishes to promote. Please, Bob look back at the original intention of MFMP, that being the creation and dissemination of a easy and direct proof of concept for LENR or EVO's or whatever it is called at this moment. Perhaps you are close to that, and I am thrilled and wish you every success, but "O" please stop treating me (us) like a mob of panting adolescents and stick to task. Thank you.

  • Alan, are there any plans to commercialize this reactor?


    Would direct electric production be possible due to strong electron generation on the diamond catalyst? I just think MFMP ought to make the giant leap and get this tech out there through as many replication attempts as possible from credible universities or even pitch the idiot proof device to Mizuno and his team over in Japan.

  • Alan, are there any plans to commercialize this reactor?


    I have vanishingly little interest in making money from LENR. If I did I wouldn't be posting here. But widespread commercialisation of a solid tech would be wonderful.


    Would direct electric production be possible due to strong electron generation on the diamond catalyst?


    Possible yes, but not as yet proven to be achievable.


    just think MFMP ought to make the giant leap and get this tech out there through as many replication attempts as possible from credible universities or even pitch the idiot proof device to Mizuno and his team over in Japan.


    This strategy has never worked before. I think it would require not a credible university, but an incredible one to take it on without further and rigorous experimental data and proof. Which LFH are going to be part of. As for Mizuno, he is ploughing his own furrow, with some success I hear.