SPAWAR JWK LENR and the claims made by Global Energy Corporation (GEC)

  • Did a little transcribing of Mosier-Boss's conclusions:


    15:08 We have observed energetic particles as a result of Pd-D co-deposition. That includes >2.47 MeV protons, >7MeV Alphas, 2.2-2.5 MeV Neutrons, as well as >9.6 MeV Neutrons, and Protons and Neutrons energetic enough to fission U-235/U238.


    16:30 Hybrid fission reactors are possible based on co-deposition, and there are a lot of advantages to such a reactor. It does not require enrichment of U-235, no green house gases, easy to shut off, and has potential to dispose of long lived radioactive fission products produced by conventional nuclear plants stored all over the world.


    Keep in mind that her husband Forsley heads up the GEC/JWK team working with NASA, and what she is describing is essentially the benefits of the Genie Reactor that was almost sold to Guam.


    Also of note in her remarks, is that the Navy lab (officially under the DOD) they (Forsley/Mossier-Boss) are working with, is the DTRA (Defense Reduction Research Agency). She also mentions getting internal funds from the Navy in her thank yous, and has a few comments about her LENR research being shut down in 2011 in her closing. Swartz also mentioned DTRA funding, but in re-reading Ruby's notes on that, it is unclear to me if he mean't he was being funded by them, or someone else?


    Interesting question to Pam, was asked by Hagelstein suggesting he is thinking ahead: "can you co-deposition uranium?"
     

  • I couldn't wait till new year...over 3 months away!


    Enkutatash


    Coming up soon, it's the Ethiopian New Year day celebrated on September 11th based on the Gregorian calendar.


    From Belgium


    A bit of history before we begin...

    Belgium Missing LENR Energy and the Suppression of Cold Fusion 1991

    Proposed Satellite Meeting to the 43rd EPSMeeting on Plasma Physics on

    Low Energy Nuclear Reactions ...

    https://kuleuvencongres.be/eps…program/satellite_meeting

    Pam Boss/Forsley may perhaps be joined at the hip... or not. Consider this...


    She is chief scientist at GEC, not retired/no longer working as stated in the ICCF 21 oral presentation. Why lie down when there is so much to be presented/capitalized on?


    Smokescreens/or mirrors of deception...


    Dr. Pamela Mosier-Boss is a retired scientist from a Navy laboratory in San Diego, CA. She is an analytical chemist who has investigated the electrochemistry of thionyl chloride using spectroelectrochemical techniques first demonstrated by Fleischmann and Pons. She has explored the use of phage for bacterial detection and surface enhanced Raman spectroscopy (SERS) for the detection of chemical contaminants such as perchlorate, hexavalent chromium, chlorinated solvents, and bacteria. SERS is another phenomenon that was first discovered by Fleischmann. Mosier-Boss has also been involved in the development of direct push sensors to map out subsurface plumes of heavy metals and petroleum.


    In addition to her environmental sensor work at the Navy laboratory, she has conducted research in the area of low energy nuclear reactions (LENR) for the past 26 years.


    She is currently conducting LENR research with GEC.


    In this research, she and her colleagues have employed the co-deposition process that was pioneered by Dr. Stanislaw Szpak. In the co-deposition process, palladium is electroplated onto a metal substrate in the presence of evolving deuterium gas. The resultant palladium nanoparticles load instantly with deuterium achieving the high D/Pd loadings and high deuterium flux inside the lattice to initiate LENR. Using the co-deposition process, Mosier-Boss and her colleagues have reported on the evidence of excess heat, tritium, X-ray/gamma-ray emissions, transmutation, charged particles, and neutrons. These results have been published in over 30 peer-reviewed journal articles.

  • Alan Smith

    Consider that Forsley was chummed up early on with the pioneer of U238 transmutation to benign elements through an LENR process. James Patterson and Lawrence Forsley? I'm researching the history of their relationship... any other leads appreciated.


    Here is an example of such:


    Did Larry build upon Jim's idea?




    4. My Recollections of Jim Patterson

    By Lawrence P.G. Forsley

    I developed a working relationship with Jim Patterson and his company, Clean Energy Technology Inc., in the mid-1990s, before the development of the company's cold fusion demonstration kit called RIFEX (Reaction In a Film Excited complex)


    http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2008/NET27.shtml#forsley

  • Shane D.


    So the validity of the hybrid reactor proposals depends entirely on the authenticity of the measurement of neutrons with CR39 tracks, right? The idea is you use co-deposition of a metal and hydrogen on a substrate (or does that include within a solution?) to generate neutrons and the neutrons are sufficiently energetic to cause U-235 and other harmful radio-isotopes to fission? And also U-238 as an energy source?


    Forget the tracks for a moment. Have any of the alphabet soup-named companies ever caused any fission of any substance with neutrons from co-deposition? If so, where can I find the report?


    Gregory Byron Goble


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    Several 'cells' have been recently reported within the US and around the world that exhibit the ability to produce more output energy in the form of heat than input energy in the form of electricity. These at first appear to be 'over-unity' devices. However, repeatable research has shown that this is really a new form of potential energy that is just now being understood, much like the understanding of an ordinary dry-cell battery.

    From: http://www.padrak.com/ine/PPC97.html So that was 1997. Where is the experimental progress for these claims now, twenty years later?


    Same question for this from 1996-- is there any recent independent confirmation?

    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/v….730.62&rep=rep1&type=pdf


    Harold Puthoff, as open minded as anyone can be, didn't think the "kit" proved anything:


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    A series of experiments has been performed with the CETI RIFEX kit. In each experiment an electrolytic cell with a cathode composed of metal-coated plastic beads was operated for two weeks. The cathode beads were then analyzed by x-ray fluorescence for evidence of nuclear transmutations. Several elements were observed to appear in the reacted beads. Analyses of the electrolyte and other components of the system in contact with the electrolyte are not conclusive but suggest to us that these elements were present in the system initially.

    (PDF) Search for Evidence of Nuclear Transmutations in the CETI RIFEX Kit. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/p…ons_in_the_CETI_RIFEX_Kit [accessed Jun 27 2018


    https://www.researchgate.net/p…ons_in_the_CETI_RIFEX_Kit

  • I'll be editing this comment over the next day or so... this thread accomplished a few things: It informed others. It garnered new leads. It brought attention to the compilation. 'U.S. Government LENR Energy 2018' (the review). It importantly helped create chapter two of the review. All of which was written/published before ICCF-21. Well done.


    Yet few here have answered my simple question (a thanks to those who did)


    I posted this thread to get LENR Forum members opinions of the bold commercialization claims put forth by GEC in 2017. Answering is fairly simple... likely true... assuredly true... an exaggeration ... perhaps bogus... clearly a scam... even an 'I don't know' or 'We shall see' would suffice.


    If you will... Please answer the question.


    JedRothwell

    Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

    Brian Josephson

    brian ahern

    Russ George  


    On another note... What countries "around the world" are these "several" (large and larger) GEC LENR power plants being planned/built in?


    The top in my list are Saudi Arabia (OPEC countries), Korea, UK...


    The Claims

    The following is from the Global Energy Corporation website: Quote, “GEC is currently negotiating several new SMG construction contracts ranging from 250MWe to 5GWe around the world.” -end quote


    Here is a bit of history to consider.


    GEC has published a Korea plan and a Saudi plan... Also a thorium version of their technology.


    GEC initially filed the reactor patent in the UK.


    Read this from a 2010 UK Defence Ministry Report (two years after the GEC reactor patent was filed in the UK)


    Quote:

    Cold Fusion -

    Disruptive Energy Source

    "A novel, efficient form of energy generation could be developed that rapidly lowers demand for hydrocarbons. For example, the development of commercially available cold fusion reactors could result in the rapid economic marginalization of oil-rich states.


    This loss of status and income in undiversified economies could lead to state-failure and provide opportunities for extremist groups to rise in influence." -end quotes


    Links provided in this 2012 Cold Fusion Now article... Same year as the Guam fiasco.

    UK Ministry of Defence Global Strategic Trends Report, Winston Churchill, and Cold Fusion http://coldfusionnow.org/uk-mi…hurchill-and-cold-fusion/   

    seven_of_twenty Thank you for your answer/response on topic...

    "Fairest answer is I have no way of knowing." -seven of twenty


    Yet you also state your reasons for hedging towards: An exaggeration ... Perhaps bogus...

    You know what you argued that was 'On Topic'.

    The after hour conversations...

    The bar...

    Pigs fly

    (When thrown with considerable force they become...

    A projectile. Add wings and rotors... Pigs fly.)


    Those were each a bit 'Off Topic'.


    By the by....

    seven_of_twenty


    For the record, What is your real name and occupation?

    Idiotic question or spot on?


    I like listening to the oral publications of GEC at ICCF 21... You don't like to.

    I've also found the GEC 'slide show'. Show your hand if you have.


    Investigative reasoning...


    Deductive reasoning...


    Or


    First line reasoning...


    Which is your preferred line of purview?


    All or none of the above?


    Neither... Of course you can choose and skillfully present the most

    Obscursive response to this question.


    Why did you choose the handle 'Seven of Twenty'?


    Another bit to chew on...


    Under the radar, consider this presentation sub-title... "Hiding in Plain Sight".


    Which is sort of telling, no?

    It is one of the first presented by SPAWAR to the cold fusion community... titled, 'Twenty-Year History of Lattice-Enabled Nuclear Reactions (LENR) - Hiding in Plain Sight'.


    Presented two years after the filing of their 'hidden' patent... by the by, Which they did not bother to mention.


    They (GEC SPAWAR) have taken the trouble to recently update their You Tube description... Why? I suppose to enlighten us about the commercialization of this advanced LENR energy technology now. Or to establish/strengthen a priori. It presents the GEC NASA GRC Plum Brook space hardened LENR power system contract, as presented at ICCF 21, for public purview. Nicely done.


    Twenty-Year History of Lattice-Enabled Nuclear Reactions (LENR) - Hiding in Plain Sight

    Published on Apr 28, 2011


    UPDATE April 23, 2018: NASA:


    gbgoblenote - All these are recently Updated Quotes from the 2011 SPAWAR LENR YouTube presentation.


    “For Development and Testing of a High Power Space Generator”


    The first link is an “Umbrella Agreement”: https://www.nasa.gov/saa/domestic/24838_SAA3-1529.pdf


    The second is an “Annex”:

    https://www.nasa.gov/saa/domestic/24839_SAA3-1529-1.pdf


    UPDATE: On April 16, 2013, Pamela Boss, Frank E. Gordon, Stanislaw Szpak, and Lawrence Forsley were awarded United States Patent 8419919 for the neutron particle experiments cited in this video. This milestone is well deserved, as these scientists worked in obscurity, in their spare time to make this patent possible.


    At the University of Missouri, on May 29, 2009, scientists from the US Navy's Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command (SPAWAR) lectured on twenty years of verified research involving anomalous heat and mini-explosions on deuterated metals, reported by various governmental and international research laboratories.


    They conclude that these energetic observations are of nuclear origin and sow the seeds of a true green energy source.


    The Slides: http://bit.ly/rwH3hl


    END quotes - gbgoble


    A New Clue


    The GEC website has also recently seen a few subtle/not so subtle changes... http://www.gec.solutions/home.html


    gbgoblenote - Recent GEC website addendums (quote)

    • GEC, headquartered in Annandale VA, is focused on the development and commercialization of Hybrid Fusion Energy. GEC now has three major product areas being developed, each with unique applications from the Hybrid Fusion Technology.

    Market Analysis for the Technology!


    Because GEC SMG through Hybrid Fusion Technology is safe, clean and secure, the current market potential estimate ranges from an initial market in the $billions to an ultimate market in the $trillions. This is based upon GEC specific market analysis and potential nuclear power plants that need to be built by 2050 as estimated by OECD.

    • Specifically, GEC will concentrate on the Island Nations, Middle East, Asia and Africa.

    END quotes


    gbgoblenote - I wasn't too far off. Perhaps we haven't seen full disclosure yet... Saudi? Korea? Thorium sands? Spent/on-site fuel rods?




  • Greg,


    Those are the type questions usually answered off the record between presentations, and at the bar after hours. If at all, as answering may reveal a client wishing anonymity, or upset a negotiation in progress. Still, I had hoped someone there at ICCF 21 would have asked him these things, and give us a hint at least. Especially so given the importance if just half of it is true.


    On another note: Skip is confirming what Jed said....Forsley and Mosier-Boss are *not* married. So we can lay that rumor to rest, not that it made any difference. This does not rule out any lab hanky-panky though. Lots of chemistry goes on in those places. Even saw this video once... :)

  • seven_of_twenty

    So that was 1997. Where is the experimental progress for these claims now, twenty years later?


    Arguably progress is fueled by all professional/quality research. Once again, arguably, the bold commercialization claims of GEC are example of progress of "these claims"/all claims (across the field of LENR) over the past twenty years, no?


    Now, in your opinion, does GEC have the 'goods' or not?

  • So the validity of the hybrid reactor proposals depends entirely on the authenticity of the measurement of neutrons with CR39 tracks, right?


    Co-deposition of the Pd-D is what provides the neutrons, so yes. Mosier-Boss goes into detail about her authenticating the tracks/neutrons by other means in her presentation. You can get a good idea of how thorough she was in cross checking her work, if you only took the time to listen to the first 15 minutes of her audio. She, and those she worked with, are top-notch professionals.

  • Gregory Byron Goble

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    Arguably progress is fueled by all professional/quality research.

    Yes of course.


    Quote

    Once again, arguably, the bold commercialization claims of GEC are example of progress of "these claims"/all claims (across the field of LENR) over the past twenty years, no?

    No. Claims alone are not evidence of anything. Example: Rossi (and many before him and doubtless many after him). Obviously actual commercialization is a proof of progress but it isn't essential for progress as was discussed here before. Claims of "bold" commercialization in the absence of proven, demonstrated and preferably published accomplishments proving the basis for the claim suggest errors or poor vetting or in some cases even fraud and definitely not progress. Otherwise, I can tell you I have made great advances in bold commercialization of flying pigs and you will believe I have made some progress. Of course, even the pigs know better.


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    Now, in your opinion, does GEC have the 'goods' or not?

    Fairest answer is I have no way of knowing. Truest answer is I doubt it very much. I mean why would they? They said basically all the same things 5 years ago about the Guam proposal that they claim now and that never moved beyond a few lines on paper. I'd be a lot more optimistic if they had built a minimum scale prototype or even shown conclusively that they can make suitably energetic neutrons with co-deposition crosschecking the results by using some method other than CR39 tracks. For all I know they have done that but I have not seen it referenced here. And then of course, having proven they can make neutrons, they'd have to show hybrid fission from their neutron source. I am not a physicist but that's what offline discussions have suggested to me.


    It's really not about my personal opinion, Gregory Byron Goble , it's about what these folks have done that goes beyond claims and proposals and measurements which are very small scale and which have been contested.


    BTW, Gregory Byron Goble , I don't recall what you had to say about Rossi and his claims of bold commercialization after the Rossi vs IH case. What did you think of it and do you still think Rossi's ecat make energy from nickel and hydrogen and lithium or whatever he claims?

  • Quote

    if you only took the time to listen to the first 15 minutes of her audio. She, and those she worked with, are top-notch professionals.


    fair requests but I hate talks. I wish there was a transcript. Text is so much faster than voice and easier to return to parts you already did.

  • fair requests but I hate talks. I wish there was a transcript. Text is so much faster than voice and easier to return to parts you already did.


    Even with a transcript, as Jed said, you need to see the presentation slides to fully understand...except for her concluding remarks, and the "other cues" I have covered. Nonetheless, even during the more dense parts of the audio, her and her teams professionalism, and thoroughness, are obvious...Even if you have no clue about the science she is talking about.


    Other than that, I will have to say the rest of your post was pretty good.

  • Years ago (after the Guam Fiasco) I posited that we will see the first GEC power plant built in Saudi Arabia. I'm now upping the ante on this wager.


    Here is a question for the Forum, Which established LENR group primarily focuses on mitigating the negative societal and economic effects of emergent LENR energy technologies?

  • Gregory Byron Goble

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    Which established LENR group primarily focuses on mitigating the negative societal and economic effects of emergent LENR energy technologies?


    What a strange thing to ask before there actually is any "emergent" LENR technology? Cart before horse, no? Anyway, not knowing the characteristics of this mythical tech, how could you possibly predict its consequences? Simple minded example: there could be a workable LENR tech which could be cheap and safe. Or the best nature would allow would be extremely and irrevocably expensive and fraught with hazards from radioactivity or lack of stability, to name a couple of far out possibilities. Most probably, there is no practical way to extract useful power from LENR just as so far, there is no way to do so from muon-catalyzed fusion. ( http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2016/ph241/yoon1/ )


    "Upping the ante on this wager?" What wager? If you want to make a serious monetary wager that there will be any emergent LENR technology providing useful energy for common applications within five years from any source, I'll be happy to accommodate you up to fairly substantial amounts. Until and unless GEC builds and convincingly has tests done (not by them) of a prototype reactor which runs on its own and actually makes power, the whole project is pure vaporware, IMO. As we discussed before, so far, there is no known hybrid reactor demonstration of any sort and the only hybrid fission->fusion device known is the thermonuclear bomb whose mechanism, insofar as I know, is not related to co-deposition.


    BTW, GBG, were you not a very hot and rather militant enthusiast for Rossi and anti-skeptics in his early years of making claims for ecats? Did you not learn from that experience?

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    seven_of_twenty Did you not learn from that experience?

    Getting a little personal aren't we... ?


    My grandma used to say to me and my brothers as she got us ready for school, "Well boys, You want to learn something new today and everyday?" We'd say, "Yeah grandma!" Grandma would reply, "That's a noble thing. For you to succeed in it two things are an absolute must. You got to be ignorant and you got to be smart." Off she'd send us, properly prepared for school.


    Instead you try 'schooling me' (look up the idiom) without considering that I know more about muon-catalyzed fusion than you do. We hardly know each other so I won't say whether you are willfully ignorant or not.


    In regards to the question... You could have politely said, I don't know? Then asked, What group and why would they do so?


    To refresh your memory, the question... Oh, I guess you sorta answered in your own funny way.


    Which established LENR group primarily focuses on mitigating the negative societal and economic effects of emergent LENR energy technologies?


    As a writer, when I make a prediction it is based on investigative research over years of reading and studying. "Years ago (after the Guam Fiasco) I posited that we will see the first GEC power plant built in Saudi Arabia. I'm now upping the ante on this wager." I posited... Predicted. I then used the term "upping the ante on this wager"... to put more weight on a statement; not as a statement or challenge of who wants to bet me. Only reputations are at stake.

  • Gregory Byron Goble

    Quote

    Getting a little personal aren't we... ?

    Sorry, certainly didn't mean to.


    Quote

    ...without considering that I know more about muon-catalyzed fusion than you do.

    I have no idea whether you do or not. For sure, I don't know much more about it than what I read in Wikipedia.


    Quote

    As a writer, when I make a prediction it is based on investigative research over years of reading and studying. "Years ago (after the Guam Fiasco) I posited that we will see the first GEC power plant built in Saudi Arabia. I'm now upping the ante on this wager." I posited... Predicted. I then used the term "upping the ante on this wager"... to put more weight on a statement; not as a statement or challenge of who wants to bet me. Only reputations are at stake.


    Again sorry. I tend to take things a bit literally. I predicted that Guam would be a fiasco from the first news release. Now, to paraphrase your remarks, I will "up the ante on this wager" to predict that no GEC power plant will be built in Saudi Arabia either. Don't misunderstand me. A hybrid power plant which can dispose of radioactive waste while at the same time making energy would be a dream. Unfortunately, there is no evidence I know of at this time that it is anything more than a dream.


    The reason I don't think this a legitimate effort is that one doesn't begin development of a power source based on a new concept by constructing a full blown power plant. There needs to be some sort of small and not overly costly or hazardous prototype and proof of concept first. That has been lacking from the start of this project. Far as I know, the main basis for the proposal is the claimed discovery of energetic neutrons produced from codeposition of metals as demonstrated by Pamela Mosier-Boss and colleagues. The work is based on neutron detection with the use of CR39 plastic. The work has been contested. It serves as a very flimsy basis for expending hundreds of millions of dollars on a giant power plant. I doubt that even the Saudis will be that speculative. Maybe they will be willing to try proving the concept with theory and calculations and modest experiments. That is the only thing that would make sense to me.


    Now to ask what I wanted to know about your former militant defense of Rossi against critics but to ask it more politely. What did you take from the IH vs Rossi vs IH lawsuit? What did you think of the experiment in which Darden found that an unfueled Rossi reactor works as well as a fueled one? Do you think Rossi lied extensively about his supposed achievement of robotized factories and megawatt reactors he called plants?


    Will you be more skeptical in the future? Do you regret your support for Rossi or do you still think he's "for real?" And because it's your specialty area, what is your opinion about the value of Rossi's patents, the license to which IH gave up rights in the agreement to settle the suit out of court? Thanks.

  • seven_of_twenty

    Yes, you have no idea... Would the US Navy SPAWAR want to let you know about such a reactor before they had, not just a prototype, but rather, an operational non-radioactive (for the most part) nuclear dense power plant, i.e. LENR power system in place?


    You may need to study the review... both chapter one and chapter two.


    Thanks for the talk at me... can you answer the question? I could clue you in if you don't know and are interested in knowing the answer. Always study deeply before commenting. Be nice please.


    Don't tell me what my specialty area is. You are off base, at times both apologetic and insulting. No matter... as it tends to make your opinions of slight... of little consequence.


    Stop dogging this thread and then I will present the answer to the question, curious no?

    Or do you know the answer by now?

    Refreshing again... gently yet forcefully.

    Pay attention to the question.

    "Which established LENR group primarily focuses on mitigating the negative societal and economic effects of emergent (or as you believe, IMAGINARY and USELESS) LENR energy technologies?"


    P.S. By the by... While never an ardent defender of Rossi. I believe (look up believe before you slam me) that Rossi, along with, concurrently with, and slightly behind and also ahead of others, has cracked the 'cold fusion puzzle' (theory follows closely; presently beginning to lead)... yielding both useful and controllable LENR reactor thermal (high temp) power systems. LENR energy technology is certainly emergent. You disagree. I certainly know that.

  • From #130 on this thread <a href="https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5536-spawar-jwk-lenr-and-the-claims-made-by-global-energy-corporation-gec/?postID=88217#post88217">SPAWAR JWK LENR and the claims made by Global Energy Corporation (GEC)</a>


    GEC recently updated/changed their website to include...

    Quote

    • GEC, headquartered in Annandale VA, is focused on the development and commercialization of Hybrid Fusion Energy. GEC now has three major product areas being developed, each with unique applications from the Hybrid Fusion Technology.

    Previous announcements/presentations provides two of their LENR reactor product developments (space hardened power systems and megawatt to gigawatt power plants).


    What is their third area of LENR reactor power system product market development?

  • Two great pieces in this post.... 1. 'To learn you have to be inspired, ignorant, and smart' :) and, 2. 'Willfull ignorance', the hallmark of trolls and disgruntled children who refusing to learn, or rather only memorized, have grown into malcontent adults :(

  • Lawmakers Briefed on Nuclear Energy (U.S. LENR Energy -gbgoble note)

    CNMI Local News 05 Jun 2012 By Emmanuel T. Erediano - Reporter

    http://www.mvariety.com/component/content/article/1/47041



    Quote Forsley... “The technology that we are using has already been deployed commercially in the past.” gbgoblenote-Likely on a US submarine... or destroyer.


    Quote... "Forsley said they have yet to get certification from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission but as soon as they get their patent approval from the U.S. Patent Office, they will get the NRC certification." gbgoblenote-Patent was approved around six months later in 2013. If in use on a Naval platform NRC approval is a slam dunk.


    Lawrence Forsley in Saipan and on Guam 2012. The tall guy is with the U.S. Navy. Guess who? I believe his name is Hendrickson.




    EL T. EREDIANO 2012

    Lawrence P.G. Forsley speaks as he makes presentation on green nuclear energy in the House chamber yesterday. Photo by Emmanuel T. Erediano


    Senate President Paul A. Manglona, Ind.-Rota, Sen. Juan M. Ayuyu. Ind.-Rota, and most members of the House attended Global Energy Corp.’s presentation in the House chamber conducted by GEC nuclear scientist Lawrence P.G. Forsley.

    In separate interviews after the presentation, Ayuyu and Rep. Ray A. Tebuteb, R-Saipan, said they need a better understanding of nuclear energy before they can decide whether to support the proposal.

    The presentation lasted for less than four hours, but Ayuyu said it did not provide enough information about nuclear science.

    He said there was no guarantee “that people here will not glow in the dark if something bad happens with the reactor.”

    Ayuyu said more information about nuclear energy is needed.

    “We want to ensure that it is safe and our people are protected,” he added.

    According to Tebuteb, “We must try to understand what is going to affect our lives.”

    Forsley said: “We will be happy to get them more information as they would like it.”

    He added, ”I think they have a serious problem that they have to resolve. And that problem is the prices of gas and diesel that are only going up. We are one of the options available to them.”

    He said lawmakers do not need to be nuclear scientists to understand GEC’s technology, which he described as “revolutionary” and “brought about by the new science of hybrid fusion fast fission.”

    Forsley said it is not only safe, but is also very efficient and affordable.

    He noted that current nuclear power plants use only 3 to 4 percent of their fuel which they have to replace, throwing away more than 95 percent of the fuel bundle as waste.

    He said their “Genie” technology’s fuel efficiency is 2,000 times greater than those of conventional nuclear reactors.

    Genie, he added, can use the same fuel bundle for more than 50 years without changing, possibly for 100 years.

    There will also be no threat of a leak because Genie does not use water to cool the reactor, he said, adding that it uses helium gas. Water can become radioactive and when something goes wrong it can leak and lead to disaster, he said.

    Helium, Forsley said, cannot become radioactive and is naturally present in the atmosphere. Even in the event of an explosion, helium presents no health or safety risk, unlike radioactive steam, he added.

    During the presentation, House Minority Leader Joseph P. Deleon Guerrero, R-Saipan, expressed concern about the lack of proven experience on the part of GEC.

    Rep. Joseph M. Palacios, R-Saipan, said he was also concerned about safety “but I am in support of anything that can help us reduce our utility costs.”

    Forsley said they have yet to get certification from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission but as soon as they get their patent approval from the U.S. Patent Office, they will get the NRC certification.

    He said they will be certified because “the technology that we are using has already been deployed commercially in the past.”

    A Variety online commentator said Gen IV SPMR technology is appropriate for the CNMI.

    “I would say that Gen V technology like Genie is more appropriate,” Forsley said.

  • Correspondence sent today. LENR to a friend.


    Hello again,


    I've enjoyed your recent posts and the music you've shared.


    First a bit of prose... For you and all of your'n.


    Instinct


    The nest instinct through

    True imaginings delight

    Leads to what's right


    Colour the lining new

    Tufts soft and light

    Bits shiny bright


    Into completion it grew

    Winged creatures alight

    Home for the night


    -gbgoble2012


    I'm an amateur scientific research investigative journalist and poet interested in what's 'popularly known as' cold fusion energy.


    My intention is not to repetitively send an email. Though I sent you one on February 11th. An important and timely second chapter of, what I call the Review, has developed since then. So anyways, I thought I'd

    send you this thinking you might want to study the compilation/review, its update, and write an article about these developments after sharing them, for input, with your friends.


    11Feb sent

    United States Government LENR Energy 2018

    https://gbgoble.kinja.com/unit…18-a-review-of-1822335542


    Which was shortly after I first posted it... Then I posted two threads about GEC at LENR Forum (till then I had mostly shied away from the site). This was to inform others, gather opinions and thoughts from

    the folks there, and to garnish/find new leads.


    These two threads are worth winnowing through (please release the dross):


    "SPAWAR JWK LENR and the Claims Made by Global Energy Corporation(GEC)" Gregory Byron Goble, Feb 24th 2018 SPAWAR JWK LENR and the claims made by Global Energy Corporation (GEC)


    "Skill Set of Some Scientists at the Nasa Glenn Research/PineScie LENR Alternative Energy Conversion Effort" Gregory Byron Goble, Mar 19th 2018 Skill Set of Some Scientists at the Nasa Glenn Research/PineScie LENR Alternative Energy Conversion Effort


    That was such a success, bringing in very important and timely leads; which led to chapter two of the Review: "LENR at the NASA Glenn Research Center AEC Effort" (advanced energyconversion) https://gbgoble.kinja.com/lenr…ec-effort-alte-1823892680


    Chapter two was published and circulated around the 'cold fusion' research community months before ICCF 21, which was held last month in Colorado. Few knew of the bold marketing claims of GEC before the

    Review... Go figure, hidden in plain sight. Note the two GEC ICCF21 presentations, nicely done.


    In summary,


    GEC is entering the market along three fronts... 1) Several Megawatt to Gigawatt LENR-Hybrid Electrical Power Plants; which transmute spent fuel rods to benign elements (no pre-processing required). 2) Space

    Hardened LENR Reactors; 100Kw to 2Mw thermal power-plants for space applications. GEC is footing the bill on this 2018 NASA GRC Plum Brook Station contract. 3) GEC hasn't announced the third but my bet is

    Passenger/Freight Airliners (NASA SUGAR), as a space hardened LENR power system is good/safe enough for an airliner. See chapter two... This is a compilation which is ongoing; being added to as leads come in. The final edit will happen at the end of the year.


    Chapter one provides a historical context to help one understand how GEC, NASA, Boeing, SPAWAR, and the DOD have attained this LENR nexus point. The most advanced LENR energy technologies are presently

    emergent from U.S. government funded research and applied engineering programs, now entering the global energy market place.


    Maybe now is a time for you to write about this?


    If you wish, study these and then call me. I like to talk LENR/Evolution. Human expansion to the asteroids and Mars. De-populate the planet in a lifetime or two. Caretakers left behind. Dreaming.


    I'm now in Berkeley... and the Bay Delta - Sherman Island. Blessed to have love and community surrounding me as are you!


    Farewell with a bit of prose,


    Greg


    LOVE IMAGINE AS YOU WILL


    Love


    Imagine as you will


    Everyone is an instrument in a symphony


    Each playing notes


    Some melodious

    others discordant

    Each ringing true


    At first and then less often


    The harmonies

    are elusive

    Hardly reproducible


    Yet strongly sustained


    Leaving us curious


    When heard the composition is magnificent


    Through keen observation over time

    Improvements

    are seen


    In the instrumentalists and their orchestration


    This certainly heartens

    Good participation

    and virtuosity


    As it has in our friend

    Martin Fleischmann

    Thanks for everything


    Tears

    and

    All


    –gbgoble2012 In Honor of Martin Fleischmann

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    Seven_of_twenty wrote: Interesting note about gullible people: they seem to think that what people say on their own behalf in a self-serving way and without particular proof is somehow evidence.


    Zeus46 wrote: so much better to be skeptical of everything everybody says ever.

    Pathologically so, as it were.


    Sarcasm unwarranted. For Industrial Heat and Tom Darden and Dewey Weaver it would have been about $20 Million better to be pathological (ROTFWL) skeptics.

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    Co-deposition of the Pd-D is what provides the neutrons, so yes. Mosier-Boss goes into detail about her authenticating the tracks/neutrons by other means in her presentation. You can get a good idea of how thorough she was in cross checking her work, if you only took the time to listen to the first 15 minutes of her audio. She, and those she worked with, are top-notch professionals...


    Do you mind providing a summary of the particular tests and measures that were used to crosscheck that neutrons were indeed present and indeed resulted from her process? For example, the use of shielding to calibrate detectors at zero or low level, several different methods for detection, perhaps replication by others... this is just to give you the idea, not to provide an exhaustive list.