Covid-19 News

    Thanks Mark. I echoed into this thread because you chimed in. I was going to go through a similar logic, but the thread hijacking had me frustrated, so thanks for spiking the volleyball! Also note that Ontario was testing IgG antibodies only.


    This whole area is of course relevant. Because the World Economic forum considered serology a basis for international "passports" that are being rolled out. https://nationalpost.com/trave…lling-during-the-pandemic


    In their proposal, Onfido said immunity passports are “the linchpin of a new normality.”

    Germany, Indonesia, Italy, Israel, Colombia, Argentina, Estonia and the U.S. are also considering implementing immunity passports like CommonPass.


    As I recall, the usual suspects on this forum were even recently having a field day claiming there was no master plan wrt Covid and no control system would be introduced. The virus is equivalent to a bearded guy in a cave - having brown skin to me this is a particularly egregious and old meme used on populations that works as ridiculous as it sounds. But it plays on our inbuilt fear of the other. They do this decade after decade. What is obvious now, is they are turning the messaging around and turning it on the scary viruses as the new bogeyman and simultaneously pushing the masses to apologize for their racist crimes. I see more and more webexes beginning with "apologies to our native people." I'm all for apologies and reconciliation. But how about we acknowledge these are manufactured now in this moment to make us feel like there are traders against in the midst. To steer the conversation to defunding police forces, rooting out "racists" from our midst, and having us all participate in this collective consciousness. They want to create a culture - meanwhile our governments are not working on ending the prison complex - the institutionalized system of racism (because sadly, some people are worth more economically in jail than out of jail). Rather than actual positive change, a whole new set of agendas centered around societal control is rolling in. You know how they used to message in the airports "Terrorism - if you see something say something." They are spinning society but now it is about racists, elite-crime conspiracy theorists, and anti-vaxxers.


    As we now know these long terms plans like immunity passports (and more transhumanism agendas) are already sitting on the shelf - created over many years. That is the only reason nation states are able to move into implementation so quickly. Most govt telephone lines cannot even answer a medium difficulty tax question with reliability, nor can govts balance a budget - all the worlds budget calculations can be done rapidly on the computing power of a cell phone this is not complex stuff, public healthcare moves extremely slowly even in crisis (nobody talking about Vitamin D for months into a pandemic), one could go on...one would think committees would be setup looking into HCQ or other treatements. Or maybe strategies to effectively protect older people - especially in nursing homes.

    If you are seeing private-public partnerships around major endeavors like "immunity passports" that means behind the scenes a puppet master has already decided that's what we are doing. So a whole new range of equipment and procedural appendages will be installed - kind of like terrorism security scanning at airports, no-flylists....but now it is for your body. It is profligate use of resources. It would take an immense amount of stupidity to believe this is about public health or saving lives. The costs of war project by Brown University is worth checking out. A short summary: 37 million were displaced by post 9/11 wars, $6.4 Trillion was spent on these wars. Why do they hate us in the middle east? What infectious ideology do they have and how do we bomb the crap out of it? In truth, a particularly infectious form of insanity coupled with big technology setup by elite criminality is looting the world. The populations are the cattle they are herding and culling and making hamburger meat out of us. And it is happening again. Private equity firms are literally sharpening their knives at this moment...


    If this was about saving lives, ~$100 billion per year could end global poverty and thereby bring the basic necessities of life to all those dark skinned people we're supposed to love. And hey, it would create a huge amount of economic wealth and saving of lives -- poverty elimination (not vaccination) is the #1 correlate of saving lives. Isn't that what this is about or did we not get the memo?

    Quote from Navid

    You know how they used to message in the airports "Terrorism - if you see something say something." They are spinning society but now it is about racists, elite-crime conspiracy theorists, and anti-vaxxers.

    After the self orchestrated 9/11 perl harbor event the patriot act allowed the US services a limit less surveillance of all US (and of course world wide) citizens. Because some companies like apple did refuse to cooperate with NSA they had to legally force them to be compliant.

    US deaths forced by terror attacks are just a tiny fraction of e.g. traffic deaths or deaths from slippery soap!!


    Obviously freedom for US citizens is the right to eat as many burgers they can swallow and to shoot around like mad inside a gravel pit.

    The same now with CoV-19. The pressure is upheld to allow a few people to generate a gigantic amount of money. The criminal folks at Gilead sponsoring world wide a small army of the FR mafia to sell a kidney damaging drug that has no effect in helping your survival.

    Also masks are still sold at 4x the prize before the CoV-19 event.


    Terrorizing the population is the easiest way to generate money. After two years from now you will notice how many criminal deals did change your city that went on unnoticed during the time you did sit in your "CoV-19 prison".

    The Hidden Long-Term Cognitive Effects of COVID-19

    https://www.newsmax.com/health…ive/2020/10/09/id/991282/

    new evidence reveals that the virus also attacks the nervous system. In one study, doctors found that 40% of patients with COVID-19 exhibited neurological symptoms and 30% had impaired cognition, according to experts at Harvard Medical School.


    Chinese researchers discovered that even patients who had mild cases of COVID-19 and were thought to have fully recovered suffered mild brain damage such as attention deficit disorders. They suspected that some of these patients may have suffered “silent strokes” that damage the brain.

    Quote from Navid

    If this was about saving lives, ~$100 billion per year could end global poverty and thereby bring the basic necessities of life to all those dark skinned people we're supposed to love.


    That comment is borderline racist, in its conflation of "treat the same way as you treat white people" with "love". Or would you say that you are supposed to love all people? admirable, but alas I fail there.


    But to reply to the serious and non-racist point here, not all causes of death are morally equal. For example, 9/11, killing 3000 people or so, created a reaction much more extreme than that given to the US obesity epidemic, killing 300,000 per year.


    There are good philosophical reasons for these differences - i'm not saying we should compare deaths from terrorism with deaths from over-eating.


    Or, compare deaths from terrorism with deaths from guns; 40,000 per year, or completely innocent deaths from mass shooting: 200 per year. The (non-terrorist) mass killing deaths are comparable over time with the 9/11 deaths and yet in the US the money and political effort spent on reducing foreign terrorism deaths vastly exceeds that spent on reducing mass shooting deaths.


    People rate all these different types of deaths in different ways. And deaths of people in different countries are rated very differently. As, in the US and most other places, are deaths of poor people, black people. That is less easy to excuse.


    THH

    Quote from THHuxleynew

    Or, compare deaths from terrorism with deaths from guns; 40,000 per year, or completely innocent deaths from mass shooting: 200 per year. The (non-terrorist) mass killing deaths are comparable over time with the 9/11 deaths and yet in the US the money and political effort spent on reducing foreign terrorism deaths vastly exceeds that spent on reducing mass shooting deaths.


    Live is risky and every live counts. But some deaths had a very high value like the 9/11 ones that had to pay for the unusable towers full of asbestos... Also terror death cost 100000x more than all other deaths. So there is no reason for most security controls we have except for making money and control/steer business!

    Experienced a Covid test on Tuesday. Not for myself but for my father in law who needed a test for admission to a Seniors living home. In Ontario starting last week we have to make appointments to get a test. This was implemented because there are increasingly long line ups, with people waiting in line at some test sites for over five hours! Problem was, when I tried to make an appointments, the various testing centres were already booked full, some for two weeks in advance. Thankfully I saw a testing site listed, a drive through place in a remote large parking lot with tents. One couldn't phone in an appointment or do it over the internet ; one had to drive to this parking lot first and make an appointment in person. I thought that this would mean fewer people would be making appointments for this test site, so I gave it a try. Bingo! Made an appointment in the morning and drove my father in law to his test later in the afternoon, on Tuesday. Took about half an hour in total, driving through the parking lot to various checkpoints before the final one, where the passenger window was rolled down and my father-in-law got a long swab stuck far up his nose. Done! Checked a website every day for results, and Friday evening the result came back: Negative. The rule of the Seniors home was that moving in must occur within 24 hours of a negative test. So yesterday we moved him in. Nice place, nice staff. "Grandpa" seemed in good spirits about the thing. Myself and one of my boys had to dress up in full PPE, as we moved Grandapa's bed and other things up to his room in his new home. He'll be in quarantine in his room with another new resident and a rotating nursing staff for 2 weeks. Brutal. I miss him already, and how he has keep me constantly on my toes for over the last year and a half! Good thing is he is only a 15 minute drive away, and a 10 minute walk away from one of his other kids. Here he is in our living room a few days ago, shortly after our dog jumped up on the couch to join him. Physically is a fine specimen (he still has great hair and looks at 93!) but strokes have take a toll on his brain.



    Meanwhile, my wife's brother mentioned last week that he thought he might have the flu. His workplace made him get a covid test. He tested positive yesterday, after a five day wait! (He's feeling fine now.) Good thing he hadn't been around to visit in the last few weeks.

    Quote from Mark U

    Checked a website every day for results, and Friday evening the result came back: Negative. The rule of the Seniors home was that moving in must occur within 24 hours of a negative test.

    Not sure about the US tests but most tests have quite a high false negative rate - 1 in 3. So although they have this rule, they can still be importing COVID. They just do the best they can without asking for two tests...


    But in this case, if you have a 72 hour wait for results, there is that length of time for COVID to infect even when negative during test.


    The point is that testing reduces chances of spread but only by a relatively small factor, in this case maybe 50%. Trump's "we test everyone so social distancing is not needed" is just not true.


    Glad your wife's brother is OK, hope it stays that way...


    THH

    Goa state goes it alone in India and launched
    Ivermectin based home isolation kits last Friday


    ""The newly launched Home Isolation Kit is a game-changer. We are using Ivermectin and Doxycycline for prophylaxis which has no proven side effects. It gives me great pleasure to inform you that the use of Ivermectin for treatment of patients is also followed by the Australian Government," Rane said. "


    Statement about Australian govt is in error..

    http://www.businessworld.in/ar…n-kit-/10-10-2020-329906/

    External Content www.youtube.com
    Content embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.
    Through the activation of external content, you agree that personal data may be transferred to third party platforms. We have provided more information on this in our privacy policy.

    OK, i promised not to dampen people's enthusiasm here, and know it won't be much liked, but here is why most people (including the POTUS medical team) do not rate Ivermectin. (Don't worry, I will stay silent on this topic for another week or so after this).


    Pros:

    • Low cost
    • Very well tolerated at (low) doses typically used and well above that
    • Shows anti-viral activity against COVID.


    Cons:

    • Anti-viral activity is at concentration 100X higher than that achieved by typical (well tolerated) dose, not clear it is well tolerated at such a high dose, and none of the trials use such a high dose.
    • There is no reason to expect it to be better than any of the other (many) antivirals out there. From in vitro studies you can put together a "best guess" list based on comparing effective anti-viral concentration (EQ50 or whatever) with concentration in body that is well tolerated. Ivermectin does not go anywhere near the top of this list (the 100X factor).
    • There is no support from trials. Observational trials do not provide support unless very carefully compared with other observational trials. I've seen no such well done comparisons favouring Ivermectin. Every doctor wants to provide hope, and Ivermectin, as a cheap and well tolerated at normal doses drug, provides hope. It is understandable doctors jump on it when they have nothing else.

    We do now have drugs that help, and will over time have more. The trials in the UK and elsewhere to see whether BCG vaccine can help reduce COVID severity are interesting - and perhaps we will in the end have common cold (coronavirus version) "catch it as a preventative" as well. Remdesivir, Regeneron, both unproven but likely to help. Regeneron could be the magic bullet that trump things it is - though i doubt it. Dexamethasone helps. So things are getting better, in a boring way (BCG quite exciting, if a long shot).

    Meanwhile, the evidence for COVID being a coordinated global conspiracy to reduce the population is mounting. In the UK 3/4 of all women with COVID are Asian or Negro. When HCQ was shown to be effective in vitro, it was suddenly withdrawn from all UK pharmacies. The Harvard professor and two Chinese PhD students who travelled to China with links to the Wuhan virology center were arrested by the FBI but any further developments/news of this have been suppressed, It emerged today that at least half of doctors in the UK told care workers in homes for the elderly not to resuscitate patients (DNR) by order from central government (NHS) expressly against the wishes of their families. Certain gene sequences of the SARS-2 virus are homologous to those of the HIV virus. 'Long' COVID-19 symptoms are remarkably similar to HIV infected patients. The list goes on and on.......is this a Utopia/Dystopia conspiracy which is now simply out of control?

    Last week I travelled on business to Vienna and then Italy and returned to the UK after 2 nights away. Before departure I filled in no less than 7 pages of documents for various border controls and before my return an extensive online questionnaire that was supposed to download to my phone but would not. Nobody was interested in collecting any of it, and as I used the electronic passport gates at the various airports nobody enquired as to where I had come from or was going to. The theatre of infection control seems to be the norm at borders everywhere in Europe at least. And this is the second time within a month I have made this journy.


    BTW -In Vienna you can get a Covid antibody test at 2 locations in the city with rapid results for €13.

    Quote from Dr Richard

    Meanwhile, the evidence for COVID being a coordinated global conspiracy to reduce the population is mounting.

    If so, it is highly ineffective. It is likely to reduce the population by ~5 million at most, which is how much the population increases every 2 weeks. Not only that, but it mainly kills elderly people, who will not have children, and who will die in 10 or 20 years anyway. To reduce population in the long term, you need to kill off young people. It is also an extremely expensive way to reduce population. It destroys economies. A global conspiracy conducted by elites would not want to destroy their own wealth.


    In other words, this conspiracy theory of yours is not only nonsensical, it is even crazier than usual.

    Quote from JedRothwell

    If so, it is highly ineffective. It is likely to reduce the population by ~5 million at most, which is how much the population increases every 2 weeks.

    Note that the population of young people is not increasing. World population as a whole is only increasing because cohorts over age 30 are living longer. People used to die more often of infectious diseases between age 30 and the natural limits of human life, around age 80. Nowadays, most people everywhere in the world live to age 80. When the present groups over age 30 reach that limit, population growth will stop. The population will plateau, as you see here:

    World Population: Past, Present, and Future

    https://www.worldometers.info/…iving)%20of%20the%20world.


    In other words, if the elites want to "reduce the population" by killing off old people with COVID-19, as Dr Richard claims, they are idiots who do not understand demographics. The only thing they will accomplish is to bring about the plateau 2 weeks earlier than it would have come anyway. It is costing the elites trillions of dollars to accomplish this. There are much cheaper ways to "reduce the population." You can actually reduce it and make a profit, mainly by selling contraceptives and educating girls. People will pay for contraceptives and education, and an educated population will pay more in taxes, and produce a higher GDP. The keys to reducing population are improved healthcare, reduced infant mortality so that parents do not have more than two or three children, education and wealth.


    Reducing infant mortality used to increase the population, in the 19th and 20th centuries. That was before reliable contraception and widespread education become the norm worldwide.

    Quote from Dr Richard

    Meanwhile, the evidence for COVID being a coordinated global conspiracy to reduce the population is mounting. In the UK 3/4 of all women with COVID are Asian or Negro. When HCQ was shown to be effective in vitro, it was suddenly withdrawn from all UK pharmacies. The Harvard professor and two Chinese PhD students who travelled to China with links to the Wuhan virology center were arrested by the FBI but any further developments/news of this have been suppressed, It emerged today that at least half of doctors in the UK told care workers in homes for the elderly not to resuscitate patients (DNR) by order from central government (NHS) expressly against the wishes of their families. Certain gene sequences of the SARS-2 virus are homologous to those of the HIV virus. 'Long' COVID-19 symptoms are remarkably similar to HIV infected patients. The list goes on and on.......is this a Utopia/Dystopia conspiracy which is now simply out of control?


    None of those things have the slightest connection to a global conspiracy - and the idea there could be such a conspiracy is so batty if you are not careful I will start calling you Navid.


    HCQ: it could have been effective, in which case keeping supplies for where it is needed is sensible. And while people are hording it (don't know if idiots are still doing that, given evidence against now) keeping it for genuine uses is just plain sense. no conspiracy. If HCQ were effective you don't think Trump would have got his doctors to give it to him and said that?


    Profs + PhDs arrested by FBI. "Arrestogate":

    https://uk.reuters.com/article…us-to-china-idUSKBN21P292

    (He was selling secrets to China - or so FBI think).


    It emerged today that at least half of doctors in the UK told care workers in homes for the elderly not to resuscitate patients (DNR) by order from central government (NHS) expressly against the wishes of their families. Shocking. But at a time when we were thinking thousand would be dying due to lack of ICU beds not surprising. And, do you really think a global conspiracy cuases the Uk govt to do this? Why? Where? How?


    Certain gene sequences of the SARS-2 virus are homologous to those of the HIV virus. Wow! Debunked (comprehensively) in April:

    https://www.europeanscientist.…contain-hiv-genetic-code/

    Through two radically different kinds of reasoning, the authors of Nature’s article and the BLAST software lead us to the same inescapable conclusion that the SARS-CoV-2 is likely a product of nature, born out of Darwinian selection.


    The list goes on and on...


    Quite!

    Quote from Navid

    What is obvious now, is they are turning the messaging around and turning it on the scary viruses as the new bogeyman and simultaneously pushing the masses to apologize for their racist crimes. I see more and more webexes beginning with "apologies to our native people." I'm all for apologies and reconciliation. But how about we acknowledge these are manufactured now in this moment to make us feel like there are traders against in the midst. To steer the conversation to defunding police forces, rooting out "racists" from our midst, and having us all participate in this collective consciousness. They want to create a culture - meanwhile our governments are not working on ending the prison complex - the institutionalized system of racism (because sadly, some people are worth more economically in jail than out of jail). Rather than actual positive change, a whole new set of agendas centered around societal control is rolling in. You know how they used to message in the airports "Terrorism - if you see something say something." They are spinning society but now it is about racists, elite-crime conspiracy theorists, and anti-vaxxers.

    The spin I see now comes from anti-vaxers (see above).

    This virus has lab origin. Why don't you read this paper and tell us what you disagree with on a specific basis - not sourcing your opinions from Fact Checkers or Dr. Google. We don't need your Fact-Checking of Dr. Yan's credentials and we don't need your stating "no scientific consensus has formed." We don't need you taking generic broad statements and spinning them into an argument that dumps the entire subject into the dustbin and then starts to name-call anyone who looks at said subject.


    On such a topic, with trillions of dollars of impact, of course truths become dangerous. She challenges a mega-narrative. Stick to the scientific argument, make it your own, let's see what you can do.


    https://zenodo.org/record/4073…n%20Report.pdf?download=1


    We are waiting. This is a way to figure out if you actually have anything to say at all, or if you are just here to stir the pot and foment discord.