You haven't had the best week either Alan.
That sounds vaguely like an admission that things aren't rosy on Planet IH.
Rionrlty
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Edison's best bulbs worked for 3 to 10 seconds. He then licensed the technology that made the light bulb market ready - then he went and made the market. Incredibly, Edison sockets to this day.
Let us not desecrate his name any further with mentions in postings that include to the overlord of Planet Rossi.
Edison stole the light bulb from another inventor in Europe.
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Well, no - but there are such things as colonels in their own countries temporarily attached or seconded to NATO . Not that that would entitle any of them to accept anything on behalf of "the military".
I'm going to make a risky prediction here. Rossi will withdraw his suit and/or run away.
NO, but he may settle for half of the 89,000,000 so he can get his quark developed.
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I can hardly believe the naivete of so many on this forum, expecting that researchers should spend untold amounts of time and money on work and then bequeath it to the world out of the goodness of their heart, for the goodness of all mankind; and simply for acknowledgement. Balderdash (actually I had something bit more profane in mind), it just don't work that way in the real world. In fact I suspect that any of you so called "professionals" out there who support this myth simply haven't discovered anything with potential yet. If (and that's a big if) you ever did I have little doubt that you would clam up too and start looking for a good patent attorney. Every person alive is looking for acknowledgement, but in terms of money and lots of it. Money is what makes the world go around and always has. Fame is just the icing on the cake.
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That is because you have not read the book, you know nothing about Edison, and you are deluded about Rossi. Yes, Edison had some bad habits common to inventors, but he was the real thing. Whereas Rossi is nothing but a fake and criminal.
No I haven't read "the" book. But I do know that Edison was a showman who killed innocent animals in order to convince the public that alternating current was more dangerous than direct, stole other inventors inventions and claimed them as his own, hired workers and paid them little in order to promote their work product as his own personal genius and still we teach our children that he was greatest inventor of our age. He was at least as much of a B.S. artist as Rossi and probably worse once we find out the truth of this matter at hand. I think that you, THH, Weaver and many others are trying to do to Rossi what your brethren did to F and P 27 years ago.
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Actually, it often failed. He was notorious for making outrageous claims and putting on what we would now consider fake demonstrations. He was also a "sharp dealer" meaning dishonest. When he died they found stacks of unpaid bills. He also spent his investor's money like water, buying up instruments and hiring people galore, and then demanding two or three times more than originally agreed to. Still, he was a genius, and he managed to make most things work eventually. See the biography "A Streak of Luck" for details.
On the other hand, he was not as bad as supporters of Tesla sometimes claim, and he was ahead of his time in his concerns about pollution and conservation.
Sounds remarkably like Rossi to me.
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It is not possible to dump it down the drain. The water supply to a commercial building is not large enough. The water has to be cooled to below 80 deg C or it will destroy the plumbing and the sewer. See the FL codes on this.
There is no chimney in the building.
No, the heat it is not released in the open air in a commercial kitchen. There are hoods over the stoves and ovens. The fans on the roofs above the hoods are roughly the size of a person. Each one can remove about 250 kW, so you would need 4 in this facility. There is not one.
For a factory, you would need a 1 MW capacity outdoor cooling tower, roughly the size of two pickup trucks. There is no tower.
Again, without the hoods and fans or the cooling tower, the heat would kill the occupants. That is not debatable.
Yes, he did.
You have the evidence from Penon! Look at the numbers. They are impossible. You have the make and model of the meter. It is obviously the wrong kind. The specifications are clear about that. You have Exhibit 5 describing how the meter was operated in a half-empty pipe. You did not get any of this information from me. None of this is "Jed says." It is Rossi says.
Are you being called as an expert witness then?
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Shane D - I was trying to let you know that Abd got it right on the DR depo.
RiRi - Oh yeah - our field attracts a lot of loud mouth real estate brokers who find themselves credible.
You got nothin' - thanks for clarifying.
More comedy - less pain.
How rude, seems like I must have hit a nerve here.
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If you've got something concrete to contribute RiRi then bring it otherwise your professional troll status is setting up faster than super glue in the high desert.
Jones Day is doing one heck of a good job on behalf of their clients. These judges are no nonsense and there is very little worry about where this case is heading on the Def / CP side of the battlefield. The same cannot be said for Planet Rossi.
Dewey, I'm a retired Real Estate Broker in Southern California and I would love to get paid for posting on forums, but so far I've received no offers. Interested? No one has anything concrete to deliver, you because of ND and biased credibility, and the rest of us simply because it hasn't been supplied to us yet. Along with the rest of the poster's here we must wait and see what the Jury decides, unless it settles out of court.
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I went through the docs a little more carefully, since our resident expert Sigmoidal is on the road. These are the highlights of what I thought significant:
Rossi threatened with sanction:
"Plaintiffs and Defendants shall meet and confer to determine whether documents
requested by Defendants (specifically, testing data) has not been produced by Plaintiffs.
Plaintiffs' counsel must remind Plaintiff Dr. Rossi that to the extent that Plaintiffs intentionally fail to provide testing data, Dr. Rossi will be sanctioned by the Court."Rossi and his internet aliases:
"Such responses shall include all screen names or aliases Plaintiff Rossi uses to post information on the lnternet. To the extent Plaintiffs shall serve their supplemental interrogatory answers to Defendant, John Plaintiff Rossi does not use screen names or aliases to post information on the lnternet, he must issue a response verifying the same"
Our Dewey again:
"WITH RESPECT to determining whether communications involving Dewey Weaver,
If needed, Defendants shall reply on or by February 24, 2017 Paul M orris, and Deep River Ventures are protected by the attorney-client privilege:
* Defendants must provide the Court with all communications for which
Defendants declare the privilege applies for in cam era review. The Court warns that Defendants and their counsel may be sandioned if the Court determines that ninety-five (95) percent of the documents reflect business discussions and not legal discussions.
WITH RESPECT to Defendants production of documents:
Defendants must produce the final agreement between Defendants and Dewey
Weaver, Paul Morris, and Deep River Ventures."
Deposition Schedule:
-Fabiani to be deposed 28 Feb via video
-IH to depose Boeing Company 28 Feb
-JMP to be deposed 1 March
-Domenican Republic witness set for deposition today (22 Feb)Doral visit by IH's expert:
"ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that if the defendant’s expert is available after the
conclusion of the deposition in this matter taking place today locally, the site inspection
shall occur today after the conclusion of that local deposition. If the defendant’s expert
is not available to inspect the site today after the conclusion of the local deposition in
this matter, unless the parties agree otherwise, the site inspection shall occur on March 2 at 0900 EST. Note: Dewey says site visit did not take place, so that means it will be on 2 March."
Fabiani's answers and affirmative defenses (doc 148):
Nothing really new here, other than he is now claiming to be a foreign national not living in Florida, therefore IH has no "personal jurisdiction" over him. Also claims that "Plaintiff has failed to adequately allege jurisdictional facts that bring Fabiani under the jurisdiction of the court". Other than that, the rest looks about the same to me...he downplays his role as minor, hired by IH only to help Rossi develop the Ecat. Says IH owes him 1 months salary. Stands by Rossi as to IH never intending to pay.
Doc 150 in whole:
"PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that there will be a hearing before the Honorable Magistrate
Judge John O’Sullivan at C. Clyde Atkins U.S. Courthouse, 301 North Miami Avenue, 5th Floor,
Miami, FL 33128, on Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 3:00 p.m., on (1) Plaintiffs’ and ThirdParty
Defendants’ J.M. Products Inc.’s objections to Defendants’ subpoenas to Bank of America,
N.A., BankUnited, Inc., and TD Bank, N.A.; (2) Plaintiffs’ violation of the Protective Order
entered by this Court on October 14, 2016; and (3) Plaintiff Andrea Rossi’s failure to respond to Industrial Heat and IPH International B.V’s Third Request for Production."Sounds to me like Weaver and Deep River might be feeling a little warm in the britches here.
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AlainCo Yes, "delusional + convincing con-man + liar" is tough for us to understand. A bit easier when you realise that our idea of overarching single consciousness is itself an illusion - we all work as many bits patched together and don't necessarily have an internal model of what these bits are or which is driving us at any given time. It makes coherence - except at a superficial level - not the default outcome. Mostly the demands of operating socially in the real world prevent obvious weirdnesses, but not always!
It makes sense of Rossi's known behaviour.
There would be related philosophical stuff about consciousness (Dennet etc)
And related psychoanalytic stuff (pathological narcissim) touched on using different language by many people - maybe Kernberg is best intro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_F._Kernberg?)
Regards,
THH
Unbelievable! You've gone from self avowed scientific expert making scientific assumptions based on incomplete information to performing psychoanalysis on a person you've never actually met and, unbelievably, still based on hearsay and incomplete information. Does your hubris know no limits?
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Did somebody say something
Darn! Somebody went and woke him up.
... a jury will decide. Nice to read thousand times repeated repetitions. But WHEN ?When they get good and ready.
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You may have missed my point. If Rossi has XP as claimed and loses the case, we all win. If Rossi has XP as claimed and wins the case, we all win. If Rossi has no XP and loses the case, we all lose. If Rossi has no XP and wins the case, we all lose.
The only thing that matters is whether it works. The rest will be footnotes in the history books.
Exactly, unless all you are looking for is revenge either against IH or Rossi depending on your leanings.
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IHF. I don't agree. If Rossi has no XP and loses, then he will likely have to sell his condos to make payment back to IH (example fake or hour short on the first $10M deal).
I would expect that IH would just shift that money to those other half a dozen researchers they are now supporting.
After all some of those have promising results (see Dewey's post, if you believe him)
A few million in the right hands could get us well down the LENR research path. I would call that a win. Realize there are more horses in the LENR race other than Rossi. And many of them "have better breeding" for a long race.
to my way of thinking Dewey has lost all credibility at this point. I wouldn't believe him if said the sun rises in the east.
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Well, we have exhausted the flow meter angle with the information so far available. Maybe we could discus now the "elephant in the room"...or, where the 1MW of energy went in that small Doral warehouse? BTW, Doral is almost the same dimensions as my house, so hard for me to imagine how that much energy is accounted for IMO? This has been brought up over and over again on the few LENR forums, especially here, but never answered, accounted for, by the few remaining Rossi supporters.
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With a jury it won't be where the energy went, but whether it was actually produced or not.
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But Rossi could have XP as he claimed but he could lose the case due to things like failure to get a signed start date for the test of the Six Cylinder GPT or failure of the ERV to be formally agreed upon by IH, or failure of the ERV to measure the flow of the heated fluid out of the device and so on. It was Ross that brought suit. Remember Rossi must show that IH is guilty by a preponderance of the evidence and IH only has to show that any single critical part of the agreement was not met.
It sure looks like Rossi will have a hard time to prove IH was guilty and IH as a defendant has a much easier time. The US legal system is weighted that way. It "defaults" in favor of the defendant.
XP may be important to "us" but it not the only thing needed to prove the case that Rossi has brought against IH.
As they said- if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit - Here if the facts don't follow the agreement, they must acquit
But I would not doubt that we will get a better idea after the hearing tomorrow.
If a judge were deciding the case I would be more inclined to agree with you, but that's not the case; a jury will decide. With a Jury trial it all comes down to who has the cleverest and most persuasive attorneys.
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None of what you think matters. Nor does what I think matter. It either works or it doesn't. We don't have enough evidence upon which to base a solid conclusion. The evidentiary phase of the trial should bring to light much information. We can then all re-assess our positions and perhaps even change them. Until then and for now, I'm going into scarce-comment-mode.
Agreed, see my comment 2,130 3rd comment down from here.
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There is now two clear camp, and seldom lukewarmers.
It seems the opinion are established, and others argument don't convince.
So maybe is it time to sit an wait for the judge.
My point exactly. I agree whole heartedly, but the court decision isn't likely to give closure to either camp in the end because it won't decide whether AR was successful in the year long test, but instead will translate the terms of the contract and whether they were met or not. The only thing that will be judged or validated will be the attorney's proficiency in contract law. Verification of LENR and its viability will only come whenever a successful product is brought to market and confirmed by its users.
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Time to understand the problem:
Not very clear or definitive...
Anyway you can explain much more by hearing the client.
This explanation sounds as if it could be applied to both sides of the equation, both for or against AR. In fact it could easily account for the very existence of this forum.
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No threat Peter but you should not have published a confidential email and will be treated accordingly.
Sounds like Dewey Weaver has been burned. I was only suspicious that the message came from Dewey until this statement. True colors are marvelous to behold.
