Dr Pierre Clauzon , part of the scientific comittee of Leonardo Corporation?

  • From Rossi's blog . Now, That's interesting!


    "
    Andrea Rossi
    June 22, 2016 at 2:48 PM
    Orsobubu:
    I agree with your analysis about the Hot Fusion. About the great scientist that hot fusion has given to us, obviously you talk of Dr Pierre Clauzon ( Commissariat Pour l’Energie Atomique, Paris- France) now also a member of the scientific commettee of Leonardo Corporation that soon will work with the QuarkX too. Here is a man from whom we can learn.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    "

  • http://jnaudin.free.fr/coldfus/


    1996 - 1998. Negative experiments. My general comment. Getting the FP Heat Effect to show anomalous heat was very difficult. Failure in first efforts would be expected. Those who were successful worked with others who had been successful, learning how to create the effect, which remained erratic, which is now know to be a matter of two uncontrolled conditions: the material itself, which is heavily batch dependent, and then the history of the material. Storm's theory is that deuterium loading to high ratio causes stress in the material, leading to surface cracking, and if the cracks are a particular size, they become Nuclear Active Environment. That is not an exclusive theory. For example, codeposition may create active sites another way. The Clauzon research, with my hindsight, appears naive and basically meaningless. What it confirms is what I just wrote: it is difficult to set up the effect. They tried three different ways, instead of picking one way and then nailing it. Very common with cold fusion experimentation.


    http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/czrlift1.htm no particular relevance other than showing what Dr. Clauzon was doing fifteen years ago. The triangular device appears to be under a force caused by high voltage charge, it is very light and you can see in a photo the threads under tension keeping it from rising further. This could be Weird Science, apparently NASA has claimed a prosaic explanation for it, and I'm not researching it.


    This appears to be the Pierre Clauzon in question. https://www.facebook.com/pierre.clauzon.3


    Started Working at CEA [and] FRAMATOME (March 7, 2011), studied at École Polytechnique (Class of 1953 · Paris, France), before that Jean-Baptiste Dumas Alès Class of 1950.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique is a prestigious school, but there is no sign that Clauzon obtained a PhD. If so, he hasn't put it in his linked-in profile nor on his Facebook page.


    http://www.lycee-ales.fr/ appears to be the equivalent of a U.S. high school. I was born in 1944 and graduated high school slightly young, at 17. So this would estimate his birth date at 1933. Clauzon is about 83 years old.


    From fr. wikipedia, CEA Industrie (also designated CEA-I ) is a former subsidiary of the Commissariat for Atomic Energy specializes in civil and military nuclear , biomedical and computer services. Its main subsidiaries are General Company of atomic materials (Cogema), it 100% control, Technicatome (90%) and Framatome (36%) . Framatome apparently did not exist by 2011, as, from the English Wikipedia, "Areva was created on 3 September 2001, by the merger of Framatome (now Areva NP), Cogema (now Areva NC) and Technicatome (now Areva TA). It was based on the structure of its precursor, CEA-Industrie, and Anne Lauvergeon was named CEO.[11] In 2009, Siemens sold its remaining shares of Areva NP."


    "Areva is a French multinational group specializing in nuclear power and renewable energy headquartered in Paris La Défense.[3] Areva is majority owned by the French state,[4] through French Alternative Energies and Atomic Energy Commission." As to alternative energy, http://www.areva.com/EN/operat…n-and-energy-storage.html -- this could be a client of the company that advised IH, that Sifferkoll made so much of a fuss about. Solar power is part of their business. Obviously, though, they would be interested in LENR.


    However, CEA - Framatome became Areva NP, http://www.us.areva-np.com/cisweb/cisqbe.asp which appears to supply parts for fission reactors.


    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=305 is a paper of Clauzon's on Rossi's JONP, from October 5th, 2010 (from before the announcement, reporting XP from a Mizuno-type experiment. Clauzon's affiliation then was listed as CNAM Laboratoire d’Electrochimie Industrielle.


    http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/nfrcnam/NFR_CNAM.pdf
    Here is a 2007 paper by Clauzon which definitely associates him with the electrochemistry laboratory, not the nuclear science laboratory -- a co-author was that. The XP found in this paper was, I think, identified as artifact in the later JONP paper.


    On Google scholar, I found a 1975 nuclear science conference paper by P Clauzon. Easily, a chemist could have been a co-author. There are quite a few papers from that era by a P Clauzon, but I was not able to verify that this was Pierre.


    This was an earlier Clauzon paper: http://jlnlabs.free.fr/cfr/files/CFR-GB-0609.pdf Excess heat is reported in a Mizuno-type experiment, but COP is 1.0. What?


    I finally found more recent work. https://www.researchgate.net/p…97e9208ae21d099c2ef93.pdf is 2015, in JCMNS. Clauzon is not listed in the bibliography at lenr-canr.org. This appears to have been a poster presentation at ICCF-19 last year.


    Following up on leads, I found a comment by Pierre Clauzon on JONP in 2011:
    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501&cpage=17#comment-120851


    Perfect.


    It is not clear that Clauzon has a PhD. I have found that some scientists assume I have one, referring to me as Dr. Lomax. I have no college degree at all.


  • ]This was an earlier Clauzon paper: http://jlnlabs.free.fr/cfr/files/CFR-GB-0609.pdf Excess heat is reported in a Mizuno-type experiment, but COP is 1.0. What?


    That was for the base drive voltage of 200V ... "Then the electrolysis began with a voltage of 200 volts, necessary worth in order to have suitable plasma around the cathode."


    Subsequent runs have higher voltage and COP : for 350V the COP of 4 trials varied between 1.31 and 1.41 -- the cathode deteriorates, so each run has a new cathode.


    [ Edit: quotes wrong again ]

  • It is normal in Italy to refer to a graduate in Physics as dottore, not meaning PhD. In Italy you call a BS "Dottore", a MS "Dottore magistrale", a PhD "Dottore di Ricerca" which are unfortunately all abbreviated to Dottore. (And it is normal to be called "Dottore" in mocking reverence by an illegal parking valet even if you don't read and write).


    It is not normal to call a degree in Philosophy "Doctorate" and a high school diploma a "Bachelor of Science". Rossi really should correct that on Ecat.com:


    "University degli Studi di Milano
    Doctorate in Philosophy, 1970 -1975


    Liceo Scientifico Alessandro Volta (Milano ITALY)
    Bachelor of Science (BS), 1964 -1969"





    Ecole Polytechnique is a prestigious institution. I would suggest to avoid prejudices against Mr. Clauzon, whatever his education level is, just on the basis of Rossi saying they will collaborate.

  • TO DEWEY WEAVER



    Dear Dewey,


    a) I am making again the offer to direct open communiction beyond this forum or EGO OUT. Your idea to discuss here on LENR forum is just a trap, you and IH supporters are dominating this territory rationl questions as mine are attcked (yes!) by Jed whois rude Abd who is locquacious and philosophical and at last 5-6 others.The IH deniers are not so well organized and do not have the gang spirit that is the basis of what is called crossfire
    I think.
    SO please write me to <[email protected]>- I know your e-mail address.It would be fine to you to write without the sad obligation to prove your superiority and LENR omniscience plus IH's inherent sainthood. It is possible even that you can answer to the 5 simple questions inded It will remain confidential as long you use email and not an IH dominated thread forum.
    For the rest of my detractors I will return to my blog whereI can fight effectively.


    b) An aside you did not get the significance of EGO OUT.
    It is new English word created by me, it is n the Unword dictionary mens "the informtion, knowledge and wisdom
    lost with the death of an inividual"
    It is inspired in part by the EGOGRAMS of A.C . Clarke


    An other word I have coined and is in the dictionary is "memecracy" it has much to do with our dispute.

  • Pierre Clauson is a good researcher and good man. I've spoken with him previously and, as of March, he had never been called on by Rossi as part of any specific study role as part of the Leonardo Scientific Committee. Two other gentlemen on that committee shared the same sentiment. If Rossi shows up with something credible for them to consider then I think they would at least study the material. With all of the ongoing turmoil surrounding Rossi, they need to be very careful about being used by him and know that their excellent reputations should be guarded at this stage in their careers.


    Is the ability to comment on that specific thread turned off for everyone? I wanted to respond to Gluck's post but the reply section has vamonos'd.

  • Alan - it is only locked for me? Does that mean that everyone else can post a reply but moi?


    I've emailed Peter and asked him to lead off with an explanation about why he didn't keep his word and posted the link to our discussion on his blog. I'm waiting on his response.

  • Off-Topic:
    I closed the other thread, because this one is about the same topic and was created earlier. Moderators and Administrators are able to post in closed threads. So don't worry.
    The Newsfeed thread was automatically created out of @Frank Acland's E-CatWorld Blog.


    I moved @Peter Gluck's posting to this thread here:
    Dr Pierre Clauzon , part of the scientific comittee of Leonardo Corporation?

  • Pierre Clauson is a good researcher and good man. I've spoken with him previously and, as of March, he had never been called on by Rossi as part of any specific study role as part of the Leonardo Scientific Committee. Two other gentlemen on that committee shared the same sentiment. If Rossi shows up with something credible for them to consider then I think they would at least study the material. With all of the ongoing turmoil surrounding Rossi, they need to be very careful about being used by him and know that their excellent reputations should be guarded at this stage in their careers.


    By the way Dewey, do you remember about the introduction flame against E-cat before a presentation ?
    was it Pierre Clauzon, or Jacques Dufour... I admit I was not taking it so seriously as I know the level of evidence required by scientists for other's results is very high, far higher than what entrepreneur requires to risk their assets.


    Maybe someone else present there could remember who it was, and judge if the statement was like I feel : beyond negativity, without any damping.

  • It is not normal to call a degree in Philosophy "Doctorate" and a high school diploma a "Bachelor of Science". Rossi really should correct that on Ecat.com:


    "University degli Studi di Milano
    Doctorate in Philosophy, 1970 -1975


    Yes, since he is in the US, he should not be using Dr. in front of his name. There are not laws against that as far as I know--unless it is used in certain ways. Anyway, it is customary to correct people when they refer to you as a "doctor" when you are not, but Mr. R lets it stand and even refers to himself that way. Also, I think if your doctorate does not relate to the field you are working in or discussing, you should probably not emphasize it.


    Something as simple as this could be used by lawyers as part of testimony to make him look pretty bad on the witness stand. He's not going to be able to throw fits in court or have things his way. Having testified as an expert witness in an unrelated field, I can tell you that it is a remarkable experience to be questioned by a clever attorney in front of a jury (not something you'll soon forget). :)

  • I wonder if he will ask "ing. Fabiani" to testify in his favor [1].
    In Italy to refer to oneself as Ing. Something one must hold a MsEng (Dottore magistrale in Ingegneria) and pass an additional state examination (since a certified Ingegnere will take responsibility on safety-related issues). With a BE you can be a "Ingegnere Junior" with a similar exam.
    Fabiani holds a technical high school diploma to my knowledge. I know and work with technicians who are way more knowledgeable than many engineers, but this most of the time goes with modesty.


    [1] "Sono l’ing che ha progettato.." = "I am the ing who desgned..".
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2016…lvio-fabiani-e-cat-photo/

  • Abd,


    Regarding your "This could be Weird Science, apparently NASA has claimed a prosaic explanation for it, and I'm not researching it."


    Weird Science? Why? Not weird, but extremely interesting!


    And good for Clauzon that he show interest in experiemental science and physics, yes?


    The world don't need talkers. The world need dreamers and doers that change this world.


    The high voltage causes creation of ions and a downdraft of ionized air wind that lift the "lifters"


    I remember following the interesting experiments of Jean Louis Naudin during 1997-2005.


    And one hypothesis was that the phenomen also worked in vacuum and therefore some new mysterious physics occuring at high voltages....but was proven wrong.


    http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft


    And NASA? They took out patents on it. EHD are more efficient than chemical Rockets.


    http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/n….nasa.gov/20040171929.pdf

  • TO DEWEY WEAVER


    Dear Dewey,


    a) I am making again the offer to direct open communiction beyond this forum or EGO OUT. Your idea to discuss here on LENR forum is just a trap, you and IH supporters are dominating this territory rationl questions as mine are attcked (yes!) by Jed whois rude Abd who is locquacious and philosophical and at last 5-6 others.The IH deniers are not so well organized and do not have the gang spirit that is the basis of what is called crossfire
    I think.

    So Peter (who says he has Dewey's email address) makes this public request of Dewey in a thread where Dewey had not commented and where it was completely off-topic. If Peter thinks there is no "gang spirit" on Planet Rossi, he ought to look at upvoting/downvoting patterns, it's obvious. Dewey responded civilly and politely to Peter's questions, as far as he could. Peter is heavily distracted by what occurs to him as noise, but which might be signal. Lenr-forum may have its problems, but it is a relatively neutral forum. Dewey is, of course, free to write Peter if he chooses. However, at this point, given what has already come down with respect to Ego Out and the field, I'd personally keep it public. Okay, I'd probably send one private mail, hoping to find some common ground.

  • Regarding your "This could be Weird Science, apparently NASA has claimed a prosaic explanation for it, and I'm not researching it."


    Weird Science? Why? Not weird, but extremely interesting!

    Only interesting because we think of levitation as weird. To me, by the way, "Weird" is not pejorative.


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    And good for Clauzon that he show interest in experiemental science and physics, yes?

    Yes, particularly at his age. Outside his field entirely, but obviously he had time to spare.

  • Off-Topic:
    I closed the other thread, because this one is about the same topic and was created earlier. Moderators and Administrators are able to post in closed threads. So don't worry.
    The Newsfeed thread was automatically created out of frank Acland's E-CatWorld Blog.


    I moved Peter Gluck's posting to this thread here:
    Dr Pierre Clauzon , part of the scientific comittee of Leonardo Corporation?

    This would be the closed thread: https://www.lenr-forum.com/for…ntific-Committee-Members/ Allow me to suggest that when a thread is closed and a post is moved like that, a note be placed in the closed thread, pointing to the new one? Otherwise readers may waste time.