Rossi vs. Darden developments - Part 2

  • ..so you can see that different people, nations, cultures have different conceptions of what is right and what is not,

    That is true. In some countries you can be shot for criticizing the government. However, this trial and this website are in the U.S., so U.S. laws apply, even to people commenting from outside the U.S. So, you should feel free to say that Rossi is a scammer. Libel laws do not apply. He is, manifestly, a scammer, and truth is a valid defense against libel in the U.S.

  • The domain http://www.lenr-forum.com is registered in the US (San Francisco CA.) maybe that there is another law, but I would prefer that no person, cooperation, or organisation is accused here as long as there is no judicial verdict.


    Rends,


    That sounds very much like encouragement of legal action against those speaking against Rossi. Bad boy! You guys must be really desperate to stoop so low.


    I have been on these talk forums for 20 years. That is an often used strategy to shut down conversation. Sometimes it works too, unfortunately. Not with me though, and doubtful with anyone else here. And Dewey will be on the stand soon testifying against Rossi...maybe Annesser can take advantage and throw in a libel charge against him for the nasty things he has said against Rossi here on LF.


    Anyways...I just lost a lot of respect for you.

  • But this is just one opinion among many.

    No, it isn't. It is well supported by the evidence in the lawsuit, on Rossi's web site, and in Lewan's book. An opinion supported by a mountain of evidence cannot be libel. It might eventually found to be incorrect despite the evidence, but it is still not libel.

  • Anyways...I just lost a lot of respect for you.


    This is the usual way as discrediting and depreciation of a person versus a community works...


    That is an often used strategy to shut down conversation


    ...and this is exactly the reason for this behavior, good analysis.


    *At the request of the admin and moderators team, I announce that this is my purely personal opinion.*

  • So, trying to make sense of the Fabiani data snippet (exhibit 5, recent file)...

    Does this show the Plant running (powered) until midnight of the 16th, and running hot until 10:30 am of the 17th? (Sorry, documents not with me right now).

    But this would be after the flow meter was in a box, and being fought over, photographed, etc., on the morning of the 17th... ?

  • Do you guys ever have anything you agree on??? I just want some new info now and then and have to weed through all this crap of you don't know no you don't know. Why don't the moderators make you guys do that in the playground. Not a one of you know anything more than I do and apparently none of you actually work on anything. Except keyboards. I wish bob and can could move over to ecat world. Sorry it just really suxxx! I know it is a forum for passing time.

  • I do not think so. I believe the other judge will decide this on May 28. Perhaps I misunderstand the documents.


    @Jed: Nicely said! Altonaga is the small one and O'Sullivan the big Daddy = Judge = the Court.


    And: Yes: He, O'Sullivan, decided everything - <no spoliation - no (severe) missconduct> - even the final date for all final filings!


    Just read DOCK 297.01 - takes some hours - 4 hours trans-script.



    But you will enjoy the windings of Mr. Pace, who tries to explain, why a huge law firm is not able to correctly structure legal matter and does appeal in time and invents claims after failed claims.

    On the other side you can enjoy how Annesser tries to amplify IH's miss-conduct, to imply some punishment.

    In fact, Annesser has good reason to appeal, just to give O'Sullivan a motivation to be well balanced.

    To make it celar: The miss-conduct of IH is far more damaging in front of a Jury, than any prior sanction. The only clear Rossi lie I see, is about the 1MW, which is at least 4 times to high.

    But unluckily for IH this is irrelevant for all contractual issues.



    Now we are back on square one: There is no more cheap way out for IH and I hope we will now soon see the real COP of the IH/AR reactor. As a Jury I would decide to run the plant in a certification LAB and if any COP measured is higher than the contract asks for, IH has to pay.


    Just a matter of poker. All or nothing for both sides.

  • Well, just for the record, I find the notion that some here actually support the idea that evidence-based, sincerely held perspectives should be squelched due to some countries' speech control utterly repulsive and appalling.


    That there is support for suppression of evidence-supported debate says a lot about an intolerant and socially regressive anti-free speech perspective.


    If that's truly the kind of society or forum you want, why not move to China or Russia or some other totalitarian regime and set up your controlled-speech echo chamber forum there, where you can safely agree with the totalitarian regime to all sorts of state-enforced error. In most totalitarian regimes, this is done in the name of 'progress', so you might even be able to delude yourselves about how righteous and progressive you are.


    My opinion about that perspective? Disgusting.


    That Rossi is a scammer is now incontrovertible based on non-disputed facts: Rossi admits that he controlled all aspects of JMP as regarding all activities in the Doral warehouse. But I certainly think that people who disagree with this should not be 'banned' or punished because they have a different perspective, especially if they have some thoughtful reasons why that they sincerely want to contribute to the discussion.


    But the evidence that Rossi is a scammer is not merely a matter of opinion, it is a matter of record based on agreed (by both Rossi and IH) facts established and recorded in a US Federal Court. Rossi scammed IH into signing the 'Term Sheet' by claiming JMP was controlled by Johnson Matthey when in fact it was controlled by Rossi. He furthered his scam and deception by claiming that JMP would not allow IH to find out more about it's connection to Johnson Matthey because Johnson Matthey would not permit it. In fact, Rossi signed the lease of the entire warehouse (but only after telling IH that JMP was a manufacturing facility in need of energy) and was in full control of both the E-Cat and the JMP device and all operations in the warehouse, according to his own sworn (and officially uncontested) testimony. In fact, Johnson Matthey had no involvement in JMP.


    Rossi also bragged about his scamming HydroFusion out of a contract clause regarding one of his tests. Rossi promoted his scam, which he found to be ingenious, characterizing it as a 'masterpiece' in an email to IH.


    What more evidence do you 'non-scammers' need?

  • Nicely said! Altonaga is the small one and O'Sullivan the big Daddy = Judge = the Court.

    On the contrary, Altonaga is the main judge. She can overrule O'Sullivan. He is the magistrate judge. That is, the assistant judge: "In the United States federal courts, magistrate judges are judges appointed to assist district court judges in the performance of their duties."


    I hope we will now soon see the real COP of the IH/ARreactor.

    We have seen it. It is right there in the Penon report, uploaded by Rossi himself. The data is fake. The instruments shown in the report could not detect any excess heat. That report plus the testimony from Rossi, Murray and Smith show that the real COP is 1. There is no excess heat. Anyone can see that. Rossi tacitly agrees, which is why he made up the nonsense about the invisible mezzanine heat exchanger.


    Surely you don't believe the mezzanine heat exchanger was real, do you?!? You are hopelessly naive and deluded if you do.

  • BTW, for those who like the idea that evidence-based speech should be subject to governance, I have a great idea: Go mount a political campaign to outlaw gravity. Then establish a totalitarian government to enforce the anti-gravity laws.


    Eliminating gravity will radically reduce the amount of energy needed for transportation, making your new regime the most efficient and powerful regime in the world. Just think, air travel would be free! (Except, then there wouldn't be air for very long, would there? Well, I'm sure you can add legislative details to make it all work.)


    This will win over the population of the world, because we all can universally agree that gravity sucks (literally). So outlawing gravity will no doubt solve all sorts of social ills, like poverty, inequality, labour exploitation, etc.


    If anyone dares to opine that gravity exists, the government can quickly nip that heretical thought in the bud by severely punishing that person as an example for all others regarding this anti-establishment, anti-social, and regressive notion.


    Then everyone can all live happily ever-after in the Brave New World.


    (With apologies to Aldous Huxley and inspirational credit to George Orwell)

  • If that's truly the kind of society or forum you want, why not move to China or Russia or some other totalitarian regime

    They do not even have to do that.


    Simply just go to e-catworld.com! Mr. Ackland, the site owner has set the policy that no "continued" anti-Rossi posts will be allowed. Either sing his praises (long term) or be banned. He has done it repeatedly, including with me.


    The following types of comments are subject to moderation:

    • Comments that state openly or by implication that LENR/cold fusion/E-Cat is a fraud or hoax

    http://www.e-catworld.com/posting-rules/



    If there is no counter views, then there is only dictates! As in dictatorships. Want to have a good golf game? Go to North Korea where the big chief shot numerous holes in one playing his first game! Of course, if you dissent on that, he will shoot you with an anti-aircraft gun. =O


    http://worldtribune.com/worldt…2004/ea_nkorea_06_16.html


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new…vents-answering-back.html


    Yes, squelching free speech is really a wise thing! ..... not! :rolleyes:

  • I am also critical towards Rossis attitude that only the proprietary approach will succeed when it comes to moving the scientific world and bring LENR to the market. My opinion is that we are living more and more in a transparent society and this should be reflected in science as well.


    Avoiding the proprietary approach is what Dumas is doing in France with the "cavitation ball" of Peter Davey's fame
    He's working with different industrials developing their own devices, and a french official structure tried to collaborate with him to put his findings under a NDA, but he refused. Yet we're no closer to seeing a commercial "overunity" boiler in our homes, though it seems that some dedicated and technologically-savvy individuals reap the benefits of cheap heat after having built their own.

    Rossi's invention does not belong to the same category, you can't just screw a few bolts over metallic spheres to make an E-Cat or a Quark-X, plus there are the safety certifications. Maybe it's better he collaborates with industrials from northern countries, where people are traditionally honest, and have a lot of trouble lying, playing double games, and being enemies of science and mankind. It's just not in their DNA (cold climates, scarce resources in the past -> implying collaboration, low population: you just couldn't be scum and expect to live through the winter)

    For example, I doubt many a swede, norse or finn would stoop so low as to use bot softwares to post about sensible subjects on niche, yet key, forums... ;)

  • *At the request of the admin and moderators team, I announce that this is my purely personal opinion.*


    Is this really necessary? I hope the admin and moderators team reconsiders, because I find it distracting and unnecessary. I'm pretty sure we all know here that most of what is said is purely one's personal opinion.

  • .

    I don't know--just seems unnecessary. Mods are free to have opinions too, and I don't think they need to announce that.


    Even more unnecessary for a mod to allude to libel, against anyone that thinks Rossi is a criminal. IMO, LF took a big hit today because of Rends comments. Worse is that in this case his is an empty threat, but nonetheless the damage is done, and there will be those who will refrain from commenting as a result. Especially those that go by their real name. Shameful really.


    Can a mod be blocked?

  • Regarding evidence that is uncontested, this is in Document 280: 'Joint pre-trial stipulation'.


    These are facts that all parties (Rossi, IH and Third Parties) agree to - in other words, these are undisputed facts regarding this case:


    90. During the period when the 1 MW Plant was tested and operated in the Doral Facility, Rossi:

    a. Distinguished J.M. Products from Leonardo and Rossi in communications with Counter-Plaintiffs and with others, and instructed others to make the same distinctions in communications with Counter-Plaintiffs;

    b. Held out Bass as J.M. Products’ “Director of Engineering” to Counter-Plaintiffs;

    c. Represented to Counter-Plaintiffs that J.M. Products had its own operations independent from Leonardo and a use for the 1 MW Plant’s steam;

    d. Represented to Counter-Plaintiffs that J.M. Products was satisfied by the steam it was receiving from the 1 MW Plant.


    93. During the period when the 1 MW Plant was tested and operated in the Doral Facility, Rossi controlled J.M. Products’ technical and product development activities, as well as J.M. Products’ day-to-day activities;


    94. J.M. Products has never been owned by Johnson Matthey or controlled by a trust formed in the United Kingdom; it has always been owned by the Platinum American Trust.


    95. J.M. Products has never been a subsidiary of Johnson Matthey.


    96. Johnson Matthey has never had an ownership interest in J.M. Products.


    Also, it is undisputed that Dott. Rossi sent an email to IH on June 10, 2014 (Document 236-28) excerpted below:


    "...we have a Customer who pays 1,000 $/day to rent the 1 MW plant, put in his factory in Miami, produce catalyzers that he sells. I will direct the operation of the plant for the first year, the contract will be for 3 years, renewable. The Customer will not have access to the reactors, that will remain under our full control for maintenance and recharge.

    For the permissions, I have already got the necessary instructions along what I already had been told before, as you know....


    And subsequently, it is not disputed (it is uncontested) that Dott. Rossi sent a follow up email to IH on June 23, 2014 (same document) below:


    "Dear All:

    As a matter of fact we do not have 60-90 days to decide, because our Customer told me he has to start the drying line in September, therefore he must know now if we want to rent him our plant or not. He needs to prepare the factory in Florida with a dryer to be coupled with our plant, under my direction, and this work has to be started as soon as possible, while the upgrading of the 1MW plant is in course, so that as soon as our 1 MW plant upgraded will be ready by the first week of September, as agreed, we will be both ready to start up the drying line within the half of September for the preliminar [sic] tests. Otherwise the Customer is going to go ahead along his classis [sic] systems.

    Considering the fact that from August 2013, when Leonardo has delivered the plant ready to go, Industrial Heat has not got the possibility to find a real Customer and the necessary permissions to install a LENR plant, I think it is important for all of us take this opportunity in serious consideration.

    I hope you have a prompt reply with your decision.

    Warmest Regards,

    Andrea



    Now, to be clear:

    1. 'we have a Customer'

    • And that customer is Dott. Rossi, but he didn't disclose that to IH, and this is clear deception on Rossi's part.

    2. 'put in his factory in Miami' -

    • there was no factory. There wasn't even a warehouse. Dott. Rossi didn't lease the Doral warehouse until 10 weeks later (August 30, 2014 - Document 207.46). After he leased it and subleased it to himself as JMP, it still wasn't a factory that produced anything that anyone purchased (according to Rossi, nobody purchased any product from JMP).
    • the 'his' is Dott. Rossi himself and this is clear deception.

    3. 'therefore he must know now if we want to rent him our plant our not. He needs to prepare the factory in Florida with a dryer to be coupled with our plant, under my direction, and this work has to be started as soon as possible,'

    • again, throughout the email, Dott. Rossi is referring to himself as 'him', which is clearly deception on Dott. Rossi's part.
    • 'he must know now'. and 'this work has to be started as soon as possible'. Dott. Rossi is claiming that this is urgent, but he hasn't even rented the warehouse to himself and JMP yet.
    • 'He [Dott. Rossi himself] needs to prepare the factory [that doesn't exist yet] in Florida with a dryer [crude serpentine pipes that don't exist yet that Rossi himself will design and have built] to be coupled with our plant, under my direction [context shows he is talking about 'directing' the 1MW plant, NOT JMP]'

    4. 'The Customer will not have access to the reactors, that will remain under our full control'

    • Dott. Rossi intentionally deceives IH, as he is fully aware that he, who is the 'Customer', will have full access to the 1 MW reactors.
    • Dott. Rossi clearly (from any plain understanding of the words) differentiates himself from the Customer in the pharase 'under our full control'.

    5. 'For the permissions, I have already got the necessary instructions along what I already had been told before, as you know....'

    • Further intentional deception, as the only 'necessary instructions' were created by Rossi himself
    • Further intentional deception as he states 'what I already had been told before' by the company JMP, which as Dott. Rossi has now declared, is himself.

    6. 'we do not have 60-90 days to decide, because our Customer told me he has to start the drying line in September'

    • Dott. Rossi intentionally deceives IH, as 'our Customer told me' when he is talking about himself (talking to himself??).
    • Dott. Rossi intentionally deceives IH into thinking that there is an urgent requirement to decide because the Customer needed to start the drying line 'in September', but the Customer was himself, had no warehouse yet, never had a factory at all (to this day), and had no product to sell that required drying (to this day).


    7. 'Otherwise the Customer is going to go ahead along his classis [sic] systems.'

    • Dott. Rossi intentionally deceives IH by implying that the customer is not Rossi (plain reading) and that IH risks missing out if they don't decide to take advantage of this 'real customer' soon [the Customer with no warehouse, no factory, and directed by Dott. Rossi himself].

    English Language Dictionary definitions of scam and scammer:


    scam:

    skam/
    noun informal
    1) a dishonest scheme; a fraud.


    scammer:

    1) a person who uses a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit.

    2) a person who cheats or defrauds with a scam.


    Contextual Example (mine): Dottore Andrea Rossi is a scammer who's scam involved deceiving IH to enter into a rental of heat in order to fraudulently attempt to gain $89 Million dollars and triple damages and court costs, through legal estoppel of a similar but factually distinct and not fully executed legal contract.


    Conclusion: The uncontested evidence now recorded in a US Federal Court clearly shows that Dottore Andrea Rossi is accurately defined as a 'scammer'.


    P.S., there happens to also be mountains of additional evidence to support this accurate description of Rossi, but this will have to do for now.

  • Even more unnecessary for a mod to allude to libel, against anyone that thinks Rossi is a criminal. IMO, LF took a big hit today because of Rends comments. Worse is that in this case his is an empty threat . . .

    I do not think it was a threat. He was not threatening to turn in anyone. He was merely stating that he considered it libel, and he went on to say that in Germany this is a criminal offense, that might be punished with jail time. In the U.S. it is a civil offense, so the government cannot punish anyone for it. Also, in the U.S., the attacks on Rossi here would never be considered libel (or any kind of defamation of character) because there is a mountain of evidence pointing to his guilt. You do not need a court case to accuse someone of a civil or criminal offense. Even if he is found innocent in I.H. counter-suit, people are still free to say he is guilty.


    If we were to accuse him of enslaving children in the (nonexistent) basement of a Pizzeria, that might be considered libel. See:


    http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/


    (It is not libel in this case because the accused are public figures.)


    If you were to sue everyone who has said bad things about Rossi, it would have to be a class action lawsuit.

  • People that know Andrea Rossi well, stay on his side. No matter what.

    This is a very important point. It is also misconstrued as to real context of the statement, or at least which side of the scales does the "stay with him" balance!


    If Rossi really had what he states, surely people that have worked with him that are educated* and knowledgeable* about the areas

    required to determine the validity of his claims, will have stayed with him and assisted to promote a world changing technology!

    (* anonymous posters on blogs are not counted as there is no true evidence of their validity)


    What do we know about this subject of who supports Rossi, once he gets to know them? Let's see if we can make a list and people should add / correct as I certainly may have left some out or been unaware of others.


    "Pro-Rossi list" : People who have and continue to publicly endorse not only Rossi but the eCat technology. These are people who have personally met and worked with Rossi and have continued to publicly endorse him.


    1) Penon - Long time associate. Has high education and credentials. Has worked with both Rossi and the eCats.

    2) Fabiani - Long time family friend and associate. Has higher education some credentials. Has worked with both Rossi and the eCats.

    3)Mats Lewan - Journalist with higher educations. Has worked with Rossi, very limited eCat exposure that turned out to be somewhat negative. (measurement errors)

    4) Focardi - Respected physicists and by far the most esteemed Rossi collaborator. Unfortunately, deceased and unknown as to how much he was involved in later eCat claims.


    ----


    "Unknown Rossi list" : People who have worked or supposedly have worked with Rossi and the eCat. However they have not publicly supported him nor have they continued to publicly endorse him. However, they have not publicly disavowed him either.

    1) Lugano team - 7 professors of various disciplines that at one time were thought to have run a very convincing test. A favorable report was published but has since been found severely lacking. It has come to light that the team did not run the test, but Rossi and Fabiani conducted the entire test, with only two or three of the Lugano team stopping by on an unknown number of times. They have not made any public statements since, pro or con. They have not defended the criticisms of the report. "Their silence is deafening."

    2) Norman Cook - Highly educated, wrote a preliminary paper on theory concerning the eCat. Rossi once highly touted this relationship. It is now in an unknown status. Cook has not publicly endorsed Rossi that I know of since much of what has came out in the lawsuit. Rossi seems to have moved on to an undergrad to write theory papers.

    3) Gullstrom - An undergrad student that pre-published a paper from Rossi supplied numbers. Reviews of the paper are not very complimentary. Gullstrom has made no public statements about Rossi, the eCat or even the QuarkX that I am aware of.

    4) Several "engineers" from military to aerospace that Rossi has touted has consulted with him. None have ever came forward to endorse Rossi nor have they publicly stated anything. We do not even know if they are real. Based upon evidence, past and present, these individuals were probably not "real" in a relevant manner.

    5) National Instruments - Touted once by Rossi as a major partner, they walked away.

    6) Seimens - Once proclaimed by Rossi as a partner, they walked away.

    7) Nasa - Attending a demo by Rossi and proclaimed by him as purchasing a plant, they walked away.


    ----

    "Rossi nay sayers" : People who have actually worked with Rossi and had very bad dealings with him. They have publicly stated their position either about Rossi himself or about the eCat technology.

    1) IH - Has had the most intimate, hands on experience of any known entity. We all know the situation!

    2) Piantelli - Certainly has publicly denounced Rossi, but I am unsure as to how much actual interaction they have had.

    3) Prometeon - Licensee that publicly started they were reneged on by Rossi. They did not have technical inside information that I know of.

    4) Hydrofusion - Publicly stated that test data was incorrect and that test results where invalid. Unknown as to current status, so they might fit in the above category.



    So as one who has followed this story since 2011, I find almost NO one who has publicly endorsed Rossi and continues to do so. Only three people publicly endorsing the most world changing technology in the past 200 years! Really?


    A large list of entities that have had dealings with Rossi and they have nothing to say! Again, concerning this world changing technology. AND they walk away from it! That is certainly telling.


    And a few people that have had very close, very intricate dealings with Rossi and they have nothing good to say. Are there others?


    In any case, Rossi DOES NOT have a support base from people who have worked with him..... only those on blogs who want his tech to be real, so they support him in absentia!

  • Even more unnecessary for a mod to allude to libel, against anyone that thinks Rossi is a criminal. IMO, LF took a big hit today because of Rends comments. Worse is that in this case his is an empty threat, but nonetheless the damage is done, and there will be those who will refrain from commenting as a result. Especially those that go by their real name. Shameful really.


    Shane D. We all live by different codes, and different standards of behaviour. In general I find that in Europe there is a tendency refrain from name-calling as in 'scammer' and a certain pride in seeking more subtle ways of expressing our opinions of other people. The end result is much the same, if you are attuned to the culture. I tend to agree with Rends on this matter, not particularly in regard to Rossi the confidence trickster (see that's not so hard is it?:|) but to anybody living person who is discussed in this space. Once we abandon politesse we begin the abandonment of our better natures.


    As for LF taking a 'big hit' , it has survived - and will survive - worse I am sure. Damage (and I fail to see there is any beyond a pin-prick in a soap bubble ) will soon heal, so long as some kind of civilised standards of debate are maintained.

  • Shane D. We all live by different codes, and different standards of behaviour. In general I find that in Europe there is a tendency refrain from name-calling as in 'scammer' and a certain pride in seeking more subtle ways of expressing our opinions of other people. The end result is much the same, if you are attuned to the culture. I tend to agree with Rends on this matter, not particularly in regard to Rossi the confidence trickster (see that's not so hard is it?:|) but to anybody living person who is discussed in this space. Once we abandon politesse we begin the abandonment of our better natures.


    As for LF taking a 'big hit' , it has survived - and will survive - worse I am sure. Damage (and I fail to see there is any beyond a pin-prick in a soap bubble ) will soon heal, so long as some kind of civilised standards of debate are maintained.


    As a European, I'd agree.


    Rossi has deceived multiple business partners. In the case of IH we know that this deception was deliberate and clearly directed towards something that (Rossi claims) will make them give him $89M or more.


    No other words needed.

  • In general I find that in Europe there is a tendency refrain from name-calling as in 'scammer' and a certain pride in seeking more subtle ways of expressing our opinions of other people.


    Well, on this issue, perhaps predictably as a U.S. citizen, I find little attractive, admirable, or worthy of pride in using less accurate euphemisms rather than informal but accurate adjectives regarding Dott. Rossi.


    And one important reason is because it is quite likely that Rossi, even if he loses this case in all respects, is never convicted of fraud. Heck, it's even possible (extremely unlikely, but possible), that he might even win his suit against IH.


    But even if that happens, Rossi is still accurately described as a scammer. Based on facts, evidence and a plain use of the English language.


    That's why I satirically brought up the anti-gravity proposal. Just because a system, regime, or government decides or constrains something (2 + 2 = 5, as George's example) doesn't necessarily make it true.


    And, in my opinion, in debate, (which is what a Forum is designed for), evidence-based, plain, clear and accurate communication and reasoning should take precedent over politeness.


    But I confess that aiming for both is also good, and that my tendencies may be a bit lopsided. (Can I blame that on my country of origin?). And I can sometimes learn from your example to do better.


    So the 'European perspective' is not completely lost on me, even as I'm firmly committed ideologically to sticking with an apologetic for accuracy and truth (as best I can discern it and refine it through discussion, debate and research) over politeness or social or political 'correctness'.


    And (if it wasn't obvious), positing rules that intentionally or unintentionally quell honest, earnest, and evidence-supported debate is offensive to my First Amendment sensibilities.


    (And I'm not talking about total license here, as falsely yelling 'fire' in a theater, for example, is rightly not protected speech - but nothing like that is in play here).


    And finally, perhaps the greatest body of work poking fun at British overly-polite euphemisms contradicting reality comes from Monty Python. Which I find humorous, but always suspected that I couldn't quite appreciate as much as a native Brit. There's so much to choose from this outstanding body of work, but here's a classic:


    The Visitors

  • I find little attractive, admirable, or worthy of pride in using less accurate euphemisms regarding Dott. Rossi.


    What is euphemistic or innacurate about the term 'confidence trickster'? It describes far more accurately the nature of the complaints about the good Dottore's conduct. And it is not a euphemism in any English speaking culture I know of. If you really believe that 'clear and accurate communication and reasoning' is required I think it more fit for purpose than many of the terms used in vernacular speech.


    But personally I am more worried about the great apostrophe scandal.