SAFIRE, SUNCELL, E-CAT SK: Three reactors, three theories, one common unifying mechanism - the EVO (Exotic Vacuum Object). [Brown's Gas Joins the Club!]

  • What are the practical implication.

  • The energy changes that can be calculated by E=mc2 may underestimate ..the actual possible


    Large quantities of energy can be stored in the 4D state(due to the 2pi factor) and released later.


    Electrons can participate in nuclear energy changes to the extent of 3.2 Mev/electron..

    Are these the heavy electrons?


    Practical implications ? No idea.


    Practical Suncell/Safire/etc are still in the future but I do not believe Evos are the fundamental energy source.

  • agreed......the EVO as originally defined is a cluster of electrons defying the Pauli exclusion principle, appearing in ball lightning and as such probably only can have a catalytic role ( like the muon ) in LENR. It all definitely happens in lightning strikes, which makes me think that Mill's SAFIRE and QX plasma results can be accounted for as lesser forms of the same phenomena.:)

  • The full report has been posted.


    https://brilliantlightpower.com/pdf/Randy_Booker_Report.pdf



    "The power gain of
    the hydrino reaction determined using water bath calorimetry reported herein was 4.24 times at an excess
    power level of 296 kW."


    I'm very dismayed about the very low COP of 4.24 compared to the infinite COP of the self-sustaining Suncell that Randell Mills showed a video of to an audience at Fresno State. However, it should be pointed out that the current Suncell versions are dramatically and intentionally reduced in output power to prevent the systems from destroying themselves. They are capable of FAR HIGHER COPs all the way up to infinite. However, I really hope that BLP will start utilizing a pure plasma system that they don't have to throttle down. All they have to do is build a pure plasma system with an optimal fuel mix, enter the negative resistance regime, tune it into resonance, and make sure the plasma ball detaches from the electrode. The problem is that with such a system they would no longer need a constant flow of hydrogen and this would contradict Randell Mills belief that all LENR is absolutely impossible.


    I suggest BLP start looking at what Andrea Rossi and the SAFIRE Project are doing.

  • Prior to the start of the reaction, the cell was connected to a vacuum pump and all unwanted gases
    were removed down to a pressure of approximately 40 mTorr. Fuel for the reaction was provided in the
    form of hydrogen (H2) and oxygen (O2) gas, which were supplied from tanks into an oxyhydrogen torch for
    optimal mixing. The resultant mixture was then piped into an external heated tube (~90 °C) containing
    granular platinum (Pt) catalyst supported on alumina to allow for spontaneous reaction into ~1% water
    vapor in atomic hydrogen that was flowed into the cell.

    So some of the excess heat could be simply due to recombination of H2 and O2 continuously supplied to the cell?

  • and its gone. I get a 404 error.

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.

  • The reactant input (~1% water vapor in atomic hydrogen that was flowed into the cell) would contribute to heat gain. The amount of flow per 40 cm3 Ga is not given. If both flows into the cell are part of the steady state prior to ignition, then both these heat flow into the cell are accounted at the initial temperature. Most of recombination energy should have been evolved over the Pt. A failure to run the inputs at steady state would be a big error.

  • Lots of inconsistencies in these data: Why the overshoot in T for one cell (A) and not (B)?/were the current/voltage data taken at the same time as the tests - different timescales?/very small rise in T 0.3 degrees in calorimeter experiment even though significant boil-off of water close to cell - high error leading to over-estimation of power gain? And as mentioned above the possible pumping of some O2 into the cell with 'atomic H' is a big worry.

  • So this is according to the SO(4) model. I am intreged by it, but there are solutions possible through the standard model and of course Mills model. Though the new ones fill some interesting holes and open amazing doors, none of these models are perfect. You're saying electrons can store and release energy from nuclear and chemical reactions tucked away in a 4th dimensional spin or something?

  • Prior to the start of the reaction, the cell was connected to a vacuum pump and all unwanted gases
    were removed down to a pressure of approximately 40 mTorr. Fuel for the reaction was provided in the
    form of hydrogen (H2) and oxygen (O2) gas, which were supplied from tanks into an oxyhydrogen torch for
    optimal mixing. The resultant mixture was then piped into an external heated tube (~90 °C) containing
    granular platinum (Pt) catalyst supported on alumina to allow for spontaneous reaction into ~1% water
    vapor in atomic hydrogen that was flowed into the cell.

    So some of the excess heat could be simply due to recombination of H2 and O2 continuously supplied to the cell?

    We don't need to do this! I think they verified that the energy out is waaayyy higher than the energy present through regular chemical proccess. Do you realise the order of magnitude difference of 1% water formation and 296kw of excess power. There is skepticism then there is will full ignorance. It doesn't have to be fusion!

  • We don't need to do this! I think they verified that the energy out is waaayyy higher than the energy present through regular chemical proccess.


    The problem is hidden in one detail. Mills once claimed an infinite depth for Hydrino potentials, what could be dismissed already with classic reasoning e.g. the missing Hydrino statistics and of course the missing physics for increasing charge. Now where he gets the same gain as others (Santilli) before him too and he dismissed the self sustain method, the door might be closing faster than he believes some 500eV's net from a reaction that needs a lot of input power and now runs without the help of the magnetic field produced by activated silver is not high enough. Gallium seems to need more activation power (higher voltage and current) than silver and probably is a dead end for high COP's.

    And don't forget liquid Gallium is new field and he has to pay for all development of such a technology.

  • The problem is hidden in one detail. Mills once claimed an infinite depth for Hydrino potentials, what could be dismissed already with classic reasoning e.g. the missing Hydrino statistics and of course the missing physics for increasing charge. Now where he gets the same gain as others (Santilli) before him too and he dismissed the self sustain method, the door might be closing faster than he believes some 500eV's net from a reaction that needs a lot of input power and now runs without the help of the magnetic field produced by activated silver is not high enough. Gallium seems to need more activation power (higher voltage and current) than silver and probably is a dead end for high COP's.

    And don't forget liquid Gallium is new field and he has to pay for all development of such a technology.

    I am not one to say any new theory is 100% correct but if he has enough to produce excess power where previous and current theories say he cant then there is something to pay attention to! You are right though, why has he stopped using silver? Probably he is avoiding a higher energy reaction that causes engineering problems? This is why I thought direct power absorbtion through the MHD silver approach with an ongoing high energy flowing plasma explosion was the best approach.

  • According to Dr Dofours pico-chemical bonds form between hydrogen and transition metals at high temperatures and electron densities right? Gallium used in the tested Suncell is a post-transition metal so no excess reactions. Silver on the other hand is a transition metal... Probably to hot and problematic in properties for his current approach? Hydrinos AND metal pico-hydrides?

  • Silver on the other hand is a transition metal...

    There is another difference which Wyttenbach has alluded to

    Silver has longlived magnetic states in the 90 keV range

    Gallium has picosecond magnetic states in the 300-400 kev range.


    I always wondered how effective gallium might be..

    I guess now we know..

  • Ahh interesting, so it is easier to have a useful exothermic reaction with Silver than Gallium due to a longlived magnetic situation?

  • The problem is hidden in one detail. Mills once claimed an infinite depth for Hydrino potentials, what could be dismissed already with classic reasoning e.g. the missing Hydrino statistics and of course the missing physics for increasing charge. Now where he gets the same gain as others (Santilli) before him too and he dismissed the self sustain method, the door might be closing faster than he believes some 500eV's net from a reaction that needs a lot of input power and now runs without the help of the magnetic field produced by activated silver is not high enough. Gallium seems to need more activation power (higher voltage and current) than silver and probably is a dead end for high COP's.

    And don't forget liquid Gallium is new field and he has to pay for all development of such a technology.

    Wouldn't those 500eV results from a reaction that needs a lot of input power along with the activated silver, potentiate deep bonds between Hydrogen and a Silver (~20keV according to chart) lower orbit as well? This achieving pico-chemical bonds with a lower external input power than would be nessasary otherwise while outputting more power than the H*-H* reaction alone. Making two less efficient choices into one that makes more sense.

  • Maybe neutrons are involved in Mills' experiments too - and Ag is a much better neutron absorber that Ga (hence its use in alloys in PWR's for neutron moderation). All electrical discharges as is the case with lightning with atmospheric nitrogen will create neutrons and thus some degree of LENR.