. The mechanism is for spike protein in the nucleus to do nasty things and while during COVID infection that happens,
No this happens due to vaccination only. Do you really believe that exactly S+ is reproduced inside the cell ???? Why ???? To calm you down???
Oregon Health Authority Reveals 25% of COVID-19 Cases Among the Vaccinated
The Oregon Health Authority produces a weekly report covering not only total number of COVID-19 cases but also breakthrough cases—those individual’s that despite vaccination continue to get infected. The most recent report on Nov. 4 Most recently OHA reports that from October 24 to October 30 there were 8,239 cases of COVID-19. Of that total 2,025 (24.6%) were fully vaccinated, meaning they are categorized as breakthrough cases.
Often these breakthrough cases occur among the elderly or those further at risk or immunocompromised. However, the media age of breakthrough cases in Oregon last week was 47 years old. Breakthrough cases for the week were segmented by the following:
The state health agency reports that 50 (2.5%) breakthrough cases were residents of care facilities, senior living communities or other congregate living settings. 428 (21.1%) cases were 65 or older. There were 66 (3.3%) cases aged 12-17. OHA publishes the most up-to-date information about cases from the most recently completed MMWR week.
The authority notes that not all information about a case’s vaccination status may be available at the time of publication.
Breakthrough Cases Oregon Past 6 weeks
Week Total Cases Breakthrough Cases % Breakthrough
9/25/21 11,528 2,663 23.1
10/02/21 10,375 2,629 25.3
10/09/21 9,110 2,560 28.1
10/16/21 8,407 2,219 26.4
10/23/21 7,706 2,209 28.7
10/30/21 8.239 2,025 24.6
Of course, viewed from a different lens the unvaccinated continue to represent about 75% of the total infected population. But the with reports of more breakthrough infections, including those leading to hospitalization and death TrialSite is currently reviewing public health data and from time to time will provide updates such as this to provide the audience a sense of the unfolding situation.
For more information check out the Oregon Health Authority
Oregon Health Authority : Oregon Health Authority : State of Oregon
Of course, viewed from a different lens the unvaccinated continue to represent about 75% of the total infected population.
You can be 100% sure that no hospital will correctly report the vaccine status of double vaxx patients. Here the personal got top down orders to not to talk about vaccination status of patients. Further USA has no mean to track the vaccine status.
The reality is totally different: Everywhere the vast majority in Hospital is double vaxx already!
See table 3:: https://assets.publishing.serv…llance-report-week-44.pdf
Age 80+ double vaxx:: unvax > 10::1!!
Age 70..80 double vaxx:: unvax > 9::1!!
Age 60..70 double vaxx:: unvax > 5::1!!
This are the age classes of the vulnerable!!
For 80+ there no longer is any vaccine protection for people without prior infection!
The Oregon Health Authority produces a weekly report covering not only total number of COVID-19 cases but also breakthrough cases—those individual’s that despite vaccination continue to get infected.
They provide breakthrough data by age .. but NOT the population by age, or vaccination status by age.
Pfizer 1281/100K and Moderna 1072/100K have similar numbers .. J&J at 2021/100K is much worse (but still better than unvaxed).
I'm glad I got Moderna (and booster).
I'm glad I got Moderna (and booster).
The only one I recommend if you want to have a "vaccination". Pfizer,ASTRA/J&J crap is monoclonal antibody therapy. A high risk pathway only justified in late stage cancer when 30% healed is great!
So Moderna did not yet ring alarming bells.
But we cannot predict the future...
Why did you already take a Moderna booster?? The protection is still > 5x higher than with crap vaccines. The bad propaganda comes explicitly from Pfizer,ASTRA/J&J crap!
I would try to get an infection!
On Sunday 14th of November this thread will be merged with the 'Playground' thread. That means Covid discussions can carry on there, no posts will be lost. The merged thread will still be called the Playground.
Why not just move the entire thread/topic to "Off-Topic Talk" ?
Off-Topic Talk
Edit : I see it's already there. Always has been and always will be off-topic.
NFL Star Not an ‘Anti-Vaxxer’ Shuns Vaccine & Depends on Ivermectin & mAbs
Aaron Rogers, the Green Bay Packers star quarterback went on the record for all that not only is he unvaccinated but that he is taking ivermectin. He has declared he has concerns for allergic reactions to the COVID-19 vaccines while he also stepped up his criticism of what he calls the “woke mob,” hell-bent, so he claims, on cancelling his point of view from collective existence. TrialSite can attest that while this is a pro-vaccine and pro-pharma media platform the tracking of ivermectin studies as well as chronicling of COVID-19 vaccine studies demonstrating durability challenges has most certainly triggered unfortunate censorship of this media.
The 37-year-old football star recently tested positive for COVID-19 reported many mainstream media. Under fire for not getting his two jabs, the reigning NFL MVP declared he commits similar dedication to studying COVID-19 vaccines as he does prepare for a game.
Recently covered by numerous media Rogers went on the record “Look, I’m not, you know, some sort of anti-vax flat earther. I am somebody who is a critical thinker” declared the star athlete on The Pat McAfee Show on Sirius XM.
He continued “I believe strongly in bodily autonomy and ability to make choices for your body: Not have to acquiesce to some woke culture or crazed group of individuals who say you have to do something. Health is not a one-size-fits-all for everybody.”
Like many celebrities and people of means NFL star was able to secure a monoclonal antibody (mAbs) treatment while taking the ivermectin, like what Joe Rogan did when he was infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus behind COVID-19. Much of the common population struggles to find access to mAbs while the ivermectin supply in physician off-label use scenarios becomes increasingly difficult to access due to pressure on pharmacies.
Rogers disclosed that he has become friend with the nation’s most popular podcast star declaring on the Sirius XM show “I consulted with a now good friend of mine Joe Rogan, after he got COVID, and I’ve been doing a lot of stuff that he recommended.”
Super Bias or Protecting the Public?
The mainstream media continues to emphasize that the drug is primary used to ‘deworm animals” which is only a partial truth. In fact, the drug has done wonders for the developing world to help eradicate River Blindness in Africa as part of the tremendously successful Mectizan program. Called a “wonder drug” the developers won the 2015 Noble Prize while over 60 studies indicate some positive data points. Yet most health authorities don’t concur with the quality of these studies.
However, TrialSite attests considerable mainstream media, as well as social network bias including, and unfortunately a scandalous move by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to delegitimate the drug—see the article here. TrialSite secured an FOIA-based email showcasing high-level operatives in the ‘Gold Standard’ agency bragging about how many tweets their “snarky” campaign on Twitter titled ‘You’re not a horse.’ While weekly legitimate off-label prescriptions went from about 3,000 to nearly 90,000 in America, the FDA sought to stop this by conflating this latter legitimate use from the former illicit self-medication-based use.
TrialSite includes a more unbiased fact sheet on ivermectin here. This media shared that there is no certain proof that the drug helps, however we have chronicled account that there are most certainly accumulating positive data points that suggest ongoing study at proper dose regimens.
Moreover, the drug’s safety profile is well known and the federal government should not be in the business either directly or indirectly of intervening between doctors and their patients–even if it is done indirectly through physician and pharmacy societies and the mainstream media which has become highly corrupted at this point. Regardless the effort to reduce access is most certainly working.
Based on the enormous amount of taxpayer money pouring into pharmaceutical companies during the pandemic—chronicled every step along the way by this media platform—it becomes ever more apparent that industry has captured regulatory and health agencies at the federal level. This industry capture reaches globally, permeating the World Health Organization (WHO) for example as well. The present-day drug development and treatment paradigm driving pandemic response must be critically reviewed and evaluated for reform–at least during emergency conditions. More than likely the winds of political change will intensify, sweeping in sweeping changes starting next year as too many common-sensed folks smell a highly biased, corrupted reality
I still maintain that a healthy diet incorporating all the basic components of Anti-bat which I have on numerous occasions before re-iterated as simple and obvious common sense in combating this what in reality is a souped-up common-cold virus. Nobody has ever or indeed never will be able to invent a 100% effective vaccine to this class of viruses. So keep sipping that gin and tonic (alcohol to sterilise the throat and upper respiratory tract/quinine in tonic water acting like hydroxychloroquine) and of course plenty of Vit D3 in mushrooms etc etc. Even the drug companies are now relenting that real-world anti-viral drugs and alternative therapies I have previously outlined are now the way to go. If in doubt slam it with the avermectins which are completely harmless to humans and other vertebrates. Its all been published by Gordon et al Nature 2020 and the original Wu et al paper published also in Feb 2020 at about the same time Hydroxychloroquine and other anti-malarial drugs were disappearing from pharmacist's shelves. I obtained a private supply from Bayer in India and sent enough to protect my immediate family. End of Story. 
Philippines FDA Grants Compassionate Use for Molnupiravir while Merck to Charge 11X for the Drug in America vs. Southeast Asian Nation
Merck now positions molnupiravir as a “great equalizer” offering antiviral treatment to help low-and-middle-income countries (LMICs) assistance to manage the pandemic as it transitions to endemic conditions. The Philippines government has purchased 300,000 courses and the nation’s Food and Drug Administration has authorized “compassionate use” of the drug for 31 hospitals reported agency Chief Rolando Enrique Domingo recently. While the United States has been the epicenter of the pandemic, with more SARS-CoV-2-related deaths than any other nation Americans will pay top dollar for Molnupiravir—even though $356 million of taxpayer money went into the drug’s research and development while the U.S. government under the Biden Administration contractually committed to a purchase of $1.2 billion. Americans will subsidize the drug—and Merck profits—while in the Philippines reports are that the average health consumer there will pay between $1.97 to $2.96 per pill with a patient requiring 30 pills over the five-day course for a complete treatment regimen. That means that while in the United States the consumer infected with COVID-19 will pay $700 or more while in the Philippines that total course will cost between $59.1 to $88.8. Even in pandemic conditions Merck will exploit the situation—charging the American consumer 11X the price as other parts of the world even through the consumer’s tax dollars helped develop the product.
With over 109 million people, the Philippines is the 13th most populated nations worldwide. This Southeast Asian nation experience a scary surge in Delta variant-based COVID-19 cases during August and September, but cases have plummeted now most recently equaling 2,389 per day based on the seven-day average. For some perspective on September 15 that seven-day average new case figure was 21,287. Deaths have been hovering at an all-time high since the summer with a total death count of 44,430. This compares to a total of 775,176 in America.
America: Far Higher COVID Infection Rate
For comparison the death to total case ratio in the Philippines equals .015% while in the USA the death rate to cases equals 0.16%. On a per-capita basis America experiences worse infection rates at 14% while that figure in the Philippine’s equals 2.5%. Far more people succumbed to infection in America unless this Southeast Asian nation is grossly undercounting their cases—which is possible.
Potential Ivermectin Competition Delayed
In the meantime, the big push for Ivermectin in the Philippines was continuously delayed as TrialSite has reported. As chronicled by TrialSite, the big ivermectin study called for by President Rodrigo Duterte has been in continuous delay. Not implying any conspiratorial forces, the market’s been conveniently cleared for Molnupiravir sales. Of course Pfizer’s recent positive antiviral news also offers prospective competition to Merck. But prices will be higher than what would have been the cost for ivermectin.
Call to Action: More people worldwide need to understand how drugs are developed, approved and marketed around the world. TrialSite News can help shine some light on the subject.
Merck now positions molnupiravir as a “great equalizer” offering antiviral treatment to help low-and-middle-income countries (LMICs)
This is perverse: Suck out the poor countries with an other non working drug. Big pharma has lost all ethics. May be Merck as a key player in the III Reich just has a fall back to old behavior...
Rushworth summary on vaccines https://sebastianrushworth.com…cine-based-immunity-last/
The same as we say. ASTRA-Oxford /Pfizer total crap only Moderna useful for the older.
UK:: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases
The last UK Peek with 20'000 CoV-19 cases above peak has been caused by the boosters - same as Israel.
UK cases go down because of end of booster phase 1 as now the less vulnerable get boosters. Further for 2 months the survivors of booster now have good immunity what reduces cases too.
As usual: this will only delay the pandemic and deprive even more people from acquiring natural immunity. Not to talk of the increasing auto immune defects.
QuoteWhy not just move the entire thread/topic to "Off-Topic Talk" ?
It seems Big Pharma has a long fingers even here. One hidden thread doesn't interfere the status of this forum at all. It's indeed your web, but its posts were made by readers. I strongly disagree with changing location/URL/status of this thread - it would be just a veiled censorship and astroturfing - and you all know about it.
I'd recommend to vote about it - only people who already did post in this thread would qualify.
It seems Big Pharma has a long fingers even here. One hidden thread doesn't interfere the status of this forum at all. It's indeed your web, but its posts were made by readers. I strongly disagree with changing location/URL/status of this thread - it would be just a veiled censorship and astroturfing - and you all know about it.
We are treating this as an addiction...one small step at a time.
We? Who is we?
You are just a moderators - without our posts your web would mean nothing. You're not supposed to school or socially engineer anyone here. Know You role.
We? Who is we?
You are just a moderators - without our posts your web would mean nothing. You're not supposed to school or socially engineer anyone here. Know You role.
Go easy on us now. We are just trying to get everyone back to the science. Can't save the planet if we are too busy saving humanity from COVID.
Again, I'd leave this decision on contributors of this thread. You're organizing voting here and there - just allow them to decide if they really want to have this already dedicated Covid-19 thread merged with another off-topic stuffs.
Don’t Vaccinate Kids: Urgent Message From Doctors’ Summit
By Mary Beth Pfeiffer
Leading experts on flawed U.S. COVID policy issued an urgent warning at a summit Saturday: Young children will be harmed in an ill-advised rush to vaccinate a population with very little chance of severe infection from the virus.
“The real risk for healthy kids is about zero — it does appear to be lower than the flu,” said Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA technology on which the vaccine is based. Inoculating 28 million children 5 to 11 years old, Malone told attendees of the Florida Summit on Covid, could lead to “a thousand or more excess deaths.”
“That’s a thousand kids,” he told the audience of 800 doctors, nurses and advocates. “It’s a thousand kids too many.”
In addition to other pressing COVID issues, the summit addressed three central questions about childhood vaccination. Do young children need vaccination against COVID? Are the vaccinations safe? Are unvaccinated children a threat to adults? On each, they found the government’s near-universal vaccination policy wanton and unsupported.
“Children don’t get severely ill. Children don’t die from this infection,” said Paul Alexander, a clinical epidemiologist and former senior advisor on pandemic policy in U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. “We’ve been fed a lot of misleading information.”
Though harshly criticized for keeping schools open, “Sweden had not a single death of a child from COVID,” said Dr. Richard Urso, a Texas ophthalmologist citing published data.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control counts 576 U.S. children under 18 who succumbed to COVID from Jan. 1, 2020 to Nov. 3, 2021, among 60,811 who died in that period. But the CDC figures offer no perspective on whether another illness or COVID caused the deaths. In a study of 48,000 COVID-infected children under 18, no deaths were reported among those without comorbidities like leukemia or obesity. In other words, healthy kids did not die, suggesting vaccines are not needed for them.
‘Willful blindness’
With the risk of serious illness low, panelists said the potential toll of vaccinating was unacceptably high, pointing to thousands of officially downplayed but real side effects and deaths. The risks to children include – but aren’t limited to – serious inflammation of the heart called myocarditis, which has been reported at three to six times the expected rate in vaccinated adolescents. A CDC study reported 14 vaccine-related deaths and 849 serious reactions in children 12 to 17 years old.
“There will be children lost with the vax — far more than ever happened with COVID,” said Dr. Peter McCullough, a widely published cardiologist and leading voice on a rational pandemic response. Doctors are guilty of “willful blindness” to vaccine hazards, he said, having “bought into this…dream that this vax if both safe and effective. It is shattering their dreams that it is not sufficiently safe.”
The summit met just after the Pfizer vaccine was recommended by the CDC and as rollout began in pharmacies and clinics.
In Florida, where debate on vaccine mandates is vigorous, summit organizers see child vaccination as a line not to be crossed in a state that could set an example for the nation. They hope to stop the expanded vaccine program with an executive order by Gov. Ron DeSantis or legislation in an upcoming emergency session called to address vaccine mandates.
“We need to pull out all the stops,” Dr. John Littell, an Ocala physician who spearheaded the summit, told me. “We’ve only begun to fight for our children.”
With virtually universal media support, pressure is intense to vaccinate the pint-sized. On Twitter, the Muppet character Big Bird told of doing his duty for the public good. “I got the COVID-19 vaccine today!” he tweeted on the day of the summit. “My wing is feeling a little sore, but it’ll give my body an extra protective boost that keeps me and others healthy.”
A Pfizer video, meantime, widely shared on social media, showed “superhero” boys and girls, in capes, masks and wings, celebrating vaccination. Mouthing words written by a pharmaceutical giant, they praised other kids who took the needle for their “courage,” willingness to “try new things” and “helping the whole entire world.” Another video, of 13-year-old Madeline De Garay injured after vaccination during a trial, tells quite a different story but, sponsors say, was rejected for airing as a television ad.
‘One and done’
The six-hour summit included a premier lineup of COVID doctors who, based on treatment experience and available science, also raised two other urgent concerns:
The effective suppression of physician freedom to treat early COVID with ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, fluvoxamine and other drugs that could keep patients out of hospitals and save lives.
The protective value of having had COVID, which offers immune benefits that panelists said exceed – and forego the need for — vaccination.
“Natural immunity is robust; it’s complete; it’s durable,” Dr. McCullough told the group. “If it was possible to get it again, it would’ve happened hundreds of millions of times. It’s one and done.” Just 100 or so cases have been reported in the literature, he said, but there is confusion over whether they were actually second infections.
“With COVID, you develop immunity to 50 or so proteins” that spur production of antibodies, Malone said in his talk. “With the vaccine, you develop immunity to one structural protein,” namely the spike protein. “It’s a huge difference.”
“Don’t let them tell you that recovered-from-COVID does not lead to long-lasting immunity,” Dr. Ryan Cole, an Idaho pathologist, told the group, pitting a report on 106 science articles in favor of infection-acquired immunity against a single CDC “pretend paper” saying vaccines offer more protection.
The implications of natural immunity are enormous. The CDC estimates that 120 million Americans – a third of the population — have had COVID. If their immunity was recognized, that would dramatically reduce the lucrative market for vaccines and boosters – what many panelists believe motivates the rush to jab. More than 200 million Americans will have been infected after the Delta wave, McCullough estimates, broadening that population greatly.
Physicians at the summit left room for some to be vaccinated, including people whose compromised health puts them at risk for severe illness. Malone supports vaccination for high-risk groups, though he told me, “That may change as additional data become available.”
As it stands, however, the vast majority of Americans would be vaccinated under government recommendations that, if mandated by workplaces, schools and municipal governments, leave few exceptions.
‘Unmitigated corruption’
While the urgency of vaccinations took center stage, the failure to treat people at the first sign of COVID – and its immense consequences — was cited as the product of a corrupt, Pharma-controlled system and government.
In a stirring talk, Pierre Kory, president of Frontline Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance and a voice for early treatment, pointed to a litany of methods that science journals, media and government have used to effectively deny care with inexpensive “repurposed” drugs like ivermectin.
Among them: Refusal to publish pro-treatment scientific papers and retraction, under pressure, of others. Insistence on pricey randomized control trials while not funding them. A double standard that has Merck’s expensive molnupiravir poised to become a prime outpatient drug, based on one pharma-sponsored trial, while tossing aside dozens of studies favoring ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and other potential treatments. Rejection of the clinical experience of hundreds of doctors who have seen early treatment drugs keep people out of hospitals and coffins.
Having had “a front-row seat on the war on ivermectin,” Kory described in two words the reason for the monumental failure to treat COVID: “Regulatory capture.” In short, the alphabet agencies – NIH, CDC, FDA – aren’t making the decisions.
“It’s well described that all of those agencies are literally run by Pharma,” he said. “If you want to keep your job, you let the leaders do what they do.” This has led, he said, to “unmitigated and repeated acts of corruption, which are hurting public health.”
‘Get sicker’
While Kory has strongly supported ivermectin – and several doctors in the audience said they had great success with it – he and others said there are other perhaps two dozen compounds that could help early. Nonetheless, public health leaders are silent on recommending any. Among them: aspirin, budesonide, colchicine, curcumin, melatonin, nitazoxanide, quercetin, zinc and vitamins C and D. Even a highly favorable trial on fluvoxamine has failed to earn the government’s endorsement.
“They tell you to go home and get sicker and come back and see us when you’re really sick and your body’s damaged,” Malone said. “Ask yourself, ‘does this make sense?’”
At the same time, speakers dismissed the unsupported contention that unvaccinated children are a threat to adults — who even when vaccinated can themselves get and spread COVID. “Children are not superspreaders,” said Urso. Further, said Malone, “It’s not the kids responsibility to protect the elders.”
It is, however, the responsibility of public health agencies to live up to protecting the public. Instead, said Dr. Bruce Boros, owner of three urgent care centers in the Florida Keys, they thwart doctors at every turn.
“We’re getting the shit kicked out of us, there’s nowhere to go,” he told me.
“The CEOs and administrators of hospitals are threatening us. You’re going to be fired. You must walk in lockstep with our standard of care.”
After recounting harrowing experiences in New York City ICUs early in the pandemic, a critical care physician, Dr. Mollie James, concluded with this: “Doctors must not be blocked from prescribing life-saving medicine in the hospital. Doctors must not be blocked from giving life-saving treatment outpatient.”
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Mary Beth Pfeiffer is an investigative journalist and author of two books; she has written more than 20 articles on early treatment of COVID since March of 2020. Follow her on Twitter: @marybethpf
SARS-CoV-2 vaccine protection and deaths among US veterans during 2021
Abstract
We report SARS-CoV-2 vaccine effectiveness against infection (VE-I) and death (VE-D) by vaccine type (n = 780,225) in the Veterans Health Administration, covering 2.7% of the U.S. population. From February to October 2021, VE-I declined from 87.9% to 48.1%, and the decline was greatest for the Janssen vaccine resulting in a VE-I of 13.1%. Although breakthrough infection increased risk of death, vaccination remained protective against death in persons who became infected during the Delta surge. From July to October 2021, VE-D for age 65 years was 73.0% for Janssen, 81.5% for Moderna, and 84.3% for Pfizer-BioNTech; VE-D for age ≥65 years was 52.2% for Janssen, 75.5% for Moderna, and 70.1% for Pfizer-BioNTech. Findings support continued efforts to increase vaccination, booster campaigns, and multiple, additional layers of protection against infection
In summary, although vaccination remains protective against SARS-CoV-2 infection, protection waned as the Delta variant emerged in the U.S., and this decline did not differ by age. The Janssen vaccine showed the greatest decline in VE-I. Breakthrough infections were not benign as vaccinated persons and who were subsequently infected had a higher risk of death compared to vaccinated persons who remained infection-free. Importantly, vaccination still provided protection against death in infected persons, and this benefit was observed for the Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech, and Janssen vaccines during the Delta surge, although the benefit was greater for Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech compared to Janssen vaccines. Our findings support the conclusion that COVID-19 vaccines remain the most important tool to prevent infection and death. Vaccines should be accompanied by additional measures for both vaccinated and unvaccinated persons, including masking, hand washing, and physical distancing. It is essential to implement public health interventions, such as strategic testing for control of outbreaks, vaccine passports, employment-based vaccine mandates, vaccination campaigns for eligible children as well as adults, and consistent messaging from public health leadership in the face of increased risk of infection due to the Delta and other emerging variants.
