since I know what happened in Japan.
what happened in Japan in 1945... was it Covid? 
Could the song at 7.41 be about 1945?
The vaccine is the pandemic end-all solution. If enough people were vaccinated, the pandemic would end as abruptly as the 1918 influenza pandemic did.
No JED. It will infect you sooner than you will like it despite you are (claim to be..) "vaccinated". "Vaccines" do not at all protect from a delta infection as we now know for 100% shown in a study. The RNA gen therapy does not produce a mucosal protection.
So stop blabbering unscientific nonsense.
One can find world wide numbers of a ca. 10.000 cumulated deaths among age group 4---18 (Unicef), but not sure how trustful.
US data about a month ago did show about 350 children died from CoV-19. The vast majority was on Leukemia chemo. Same her in Switzerland or UK.
THH could just find one UK report with 5 children that had a not yet a checked comorbidity.
A strong flue would kill thousand of healthy kids alone in the USA.
It's all about the risk. Healthy people age < 35 has "0" risk to die from CoV-19 or just the base risk like dying from soap slipping. "0" means 0,0001% as its far below your basic risk.
The risk for dying from a RNA gen therapy is around 25/mio "vaccinated". The risk for permanent damage is 10x larger =0.025%! What is outraging high. The risk for dying from Pfizer induced CoV-19 is 1.2% * local mortality from CoV-19 - so anywhere between 0.01..0.04.
Japan too reports to many CoV-19 cases from first Pfizer jab.
Doctors can prescribe this is they want to. Oatient self-prescribing is fraught with issues - they do not read the fine print as to contra-indications and for something like that very many well over-dose.
Great shows us the many posts of UK citisen that got it...
Given that this approach, taken with HCQ, we now know would positively have harmed patients, and the recent high quality trials show no benefit to taking IVM, you can see why most doctors would be cautious not wanting to harm patients and not seeing any advantage.
Correct & great: You did not forget the Oxford Fascist doctors (recovery trial) killing patients with overdose of HCQ alone...
The vaccine is the pandemic end-all solution. If enough people were vaccinated, the pandemic would end as abruptly as the 1918 influenza pandemic did.
End-all solution! Rather, WHO and WEF thinks we are just getting started into the wonderful new normal, including lasting, pervasive medical enforcement, to keep us all safe of course!
So we need something else. An anti-viral, or a cocktail of promising, safe alternatives. Yes, they are working on that, but in the meantime we have a drug that has been around for a long time, that does have many studies behind it that do say it works.
While these studies are not up to your standards, IMO it is a bit selfish of you to advocate that desperate, scared patients in the middle of a pandemic, be prevented from using it. Heartless.
Shane - you know well that it is not about that. Ivermectin has had quite a few high quality studies - showing no results.
how much more do you want it tested?
including lasting, pervasive medical enforcement, to keep us all safe of course!
Since, however, we do not live in a police state anti-vaxxers like you will be allowed to continue not being medicated. Since COVID only kills 2% that will not be such a big deal. You will also, since we are a free society, be able to continue propagating lies - on eway or another. That is a bigger deal - it will kills others.
Which is probably why places like facebook try to delte the most egregious and clearly false of such. That will no doubt be enough to active your paranoia...
And so it will go on. But, luckily, no forcible medical treatment.
Best wishes, Tom
The vaccine is the pandemic end-all solution. If enough people were vaccinated, the pandemic would end as abruptly as the 1918 influenza pandemic did. Even if it offers less protection against the Delta variant, it is still more than enough to reduce the transmission rate (Rt) well below 1. Applied worldwide, the vaccine plus quarantine and case tracking would drive the virus into extinction in a month or two.
Furthermore, with booster shots and a re-engineered mRNA vaccine, it would be as effective against Delta as it was against earlier variants.
Politics are the only reason this has not happened. Politics plus an astounding level of stupidity, rivaling Japan in 1945, only it will kill even more people. I never imagined people would be this stupid. I guess I should have known, since I know what happened in Japan.
Jed, that is I think not known yet, though it is pretty likley.
In the UK 95% of adults have antibodies - vaccination or natural immunity. Our COVID epidemic continues nicely because of all the children not vaccinated - and not all with antibodies.
The real question is when they have all caught COVID what will happen. What is the immunity to new variants from previous natural infection.? And is the vaccine immunity enough to keep R < 1.
I think it probably is, based on UK spread which seems to me nearly all younger age groups. But we cannot be sure, especially because we are currently Summer vacation - best time of the year to reduce spread.
Equally, it seems highly likely that we now have good technology to nail delta and future variants, in time. But we cannot be sure, especially because viruses are nasty things.
THH
I think it probably is, based on UK spread which seems to me nearly all younger age groups. But we cannot be sure, especially because we are currently Summer vacation - best time of the year to reduce spread.
Or transport it to Cornwall or the Isle of Wight. Both up and coming hot-spots.
If enough people were vaccinated, the pandemic would end as abruptly as the 1918 influenza pandemic did.
So the 1918 pandemic ended abruptly with vaccination? Rothwellian revisionism.
Vaccine Deaths Pile Up Without Media Coverage
Note that views expressed in this opinion article are the writer’s personal views and not necessarily those of TrialSite.
Joel S. Hirschhorn
Switch mental gears and stop thinking about the pandemic. Think about the endless news stories you have seen and heard on all mainstream media that headline stories with a large number of deaths. The deaths may result from large scale criminal acts like mass shootings or all kinds of natural disasters. Big media makes big news when a dozen or more people get killed, or when hundreds die in floods or hurricanes. Rarely are thousands dead, but when that happens, usually in other countries, that is really big news. And it happened for the 9/11 attack when about 3,000 people died in the US.
The point of this article is that the media now is largely ignoring the thousands dying from the experimental COVID vaccines. My exhaustive analysis of medical studies and data reveal that Americans are dying in two different ways because they got jabbed.
Two types of vaccine deaths
A few thousand people have died from breakthrough infections because the vaccines are not effective in preventing a new infection. What is now crystal clear is that the experimental vaccines lose their effectiveness over some months. The number of breakthrough infections are accelerating for two reasons. As more people get the shot a larger pool of vaccinated people drive more breakthrough infections. And now with declining vaccine effectiveness, possibly related to new variants, the odds of getting a breakthrough infection go up. While many breakthrough infections do not cause major medical problems, in a fraction of cases victims need hospitalization and some die.
The other cause of vaccine deaths are complex blood problems, namely different kinds of blood clots, the loss of blood platelets and resulting bleed events that are lethal. Think in terms of brain bleeds, strokes and heart attacks. Vaccine induced blood problems have been discussed here.
Number of vaccine deaths
My data analysis indicates that now we have probably lost close to 5,000 American lives from the two vaccine related deaths and most likely this will increase to perhaps 10,000 deaths by the end of this year.
The vaccine related deaths of many hundreds and certainly thousands of people should be a big news story. It is not. Why not? Because all of the corrupt and dishonest powers mismanaging the pandemic want to keep pushing and coercing everyone to get the shot. So, they stifle the truth about vaccine dangers.
They keep justifying this by saying that only a small statistical fraction of the vaccinated die and compare this to the over 600,000 COVID deaths that the experimental vaccines supposedly could have prevented. Here is the truth. Vaccine induced deaths cannot be prevented. They result from the deficiencies of the vaccines. On the other hand, COVID deaths have always been highly preventable, say 85 percent or more, because since March 2020 we have known that several cheap, safe and FDA approved generics cure COVID and also can be used to prevent the infection. Plus, many of those official COVID deaths were probably for people dying from other causes; they died with COVID, not from it.
Here is what people need to keep in mind. Can you imagine anything worse than getting a shot of an experimental COVID vaccine and then sometime later dying from the infection or a blood problem? I can’t. How could the government let such vaccines be widely used? Follow the money. All the way to big drug companies making vaccines.
Breakthrough infection data
It is hard to get good, reliable data on the post-vaccination breakthrough infection death rate. The likely answer is that the government wants to keep that data as hidden as possible. Why? Because the more that Americans know about breakthrough deaths, the more they will question the medical wisdom of getting either the first shot or a booster jab.
So, what does the breakthrough death data look like? That depends where you look for the data. Can you expect to see the same numbers everywhere? No. Can you expect to see such data in your daily newspaper or on you evening network news? No.
One seemingly good source is an August New York Times compilation of breakthrough deaths from 40 states and the District of Columbia. That list yields 1,527 deaths. But when extrapolated to the whole nation, that adds up to possibly 1,899 deaths. Expectedly, all the pro-vaccine people in government, public health and the medical establishment think that kind of number is just fine.
Their argument is simple. With so many millions of people vaccinated a few thousand breakthrough deaths is acceptable. Except for those who die and their family and friends. Something akin to putting a bandage on a cut after putting some antiseptic on it and then sometime later losing a limb or your life from a terrible infection. Just one of those statistical ugly and unlikely realities.
I checked out some other places for similar data. Here is what I found.
A Los Angeles Times article from May said: “In all, 160 fully vaccinated people with a breakthrough infection died during the study period. That’s 2% of those with breakthrough infections, and 0.0001% of U.S. residents who were fully vaccinated by April 30. All 160 people were between the ages of 71 and 89.” Just 160, sounds pretty good, especially compared to close to 2,000. And the statistics make it seem oh so unlikely that you will die from COVID after vaccination. That figure of 160 came from a CDC report. And there now are breakthrough deaths in much younger people.
An article from Heritage in August cited a figure of 1,507 fatal cases of breakthrough infection in line with the New York Times data. This too was cited; “164 million Americans were fully vaccinated against COVID-19, with 191 million people having acquired partial immunity through at least one dose.” Seems like you just have to bet on being statistically safe.
An August story on CNBC reported: “NBC News has found that at least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid and 1,400 of those have died. Still, the 125,682 “breakthrough” cases in 38 states found by NBC News represented less than 0.08% of the 164.2 million-plus people (and counting) who have been fully vaccinated since the start of the year, or about one in every 1,300.”
Here is the headline of story in New York Magazine from this month: “Don’t Panic, But Breakthrough Cases May Be a Bigger Problem Than You’ve Been Told – Current public-health messaging may understate the scale and risk.”
This was a wise observation: “a closer look at the data reveals that some of the public-health communication may be overstating the vaccine effect on transmission and understating the scale and risk of breakthrough infections, which, while far from predominant, do appear prevalent enough to be helping shape the course of the disease.”
“The message that breakthrough cases are exceedingly rare and that you don’t have to worry about them if you’re vaccinated — that this is only an epidemic of the unvaccinated — that message is falling flat,” Harvard epidemiologist Michael Mina said.
Also noted was a large pre-print study published by the Mayo clinic that suggested the efficacy against infection had fallen as far to 42 percent, far below numbers in the 90s you have been hearing about since the experimental vaccines received emergency authorization. This helps explain escalating breakthrough cases.
The article also pointed these facts out: “In Utah, 8 percent of new cases were breakthroughs in early June, but by late July, as Delta grew, the share grew, too, to 20 percent (even while the total number of cases almost doubled). According to leaked CDC documents, there were, as of late last month, 35,000 symptomatic breakthrough cases being recorded each week — about 10 percent of the country’s total. Presumably many more breakthrough cases were asymptomatic, which would drive the share up further.” But as of late May CDC started to only count breakthrough cases resulting in hospitalization or death. Their objective was to not count more minor breakthrough cases that would reveal reduced vaccine effectiveness.
“The breakthrough problem is much more concerning than what our public officials have transmitted,” Dr. Eric Topol said. “We have no good tracking. But every indicator I have suggests that there’s a lot more under the radar than is being told to the public so far, which is unfortunate.” The result, he said, was a widening gap between the messaging from public-health authorities and the meaning of the data emerging in real time. “I think the problem we have is people — whether it’s the CDC or the people that are doing the briefings — their big concern is, they just want to get vaccinations up. And they don’t want to punch any holes in the story about vaccines. But we can handle the truth. And that’s what we should be getting.”
Blood problem deaths
The US government is not providing good data on vaccine induced blood problem deaths. There are some websites that provide large numbers of videos about those who have died from brain bleeds, strokes and other conditions related to blood clots, loss of blood platelets and lethal bleeding. Health Impact News and 1000 Covid Stories are terrific.
Here is some data from a recent UK research study that addressed blood clots in “veins of the legs and in lung arteries.” The researchers offered rather high rates of the main blood clot/low platelet condition from the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine: 1,000 per 100 million for people 50 and over and 2,000 per 100 million for younger people. These suggest a potential for thousands of vaccine induced blood deaths in the US. Keep in mind that many people may be dying from blood problems but no test done to verify if it is caused by a vaccine.
Additionally, a Canadian doctor found evidence of microscopic blood clots in 62 percent of his patients that had received the Moderna vaccine. He predicted dire long term health impacts from these clots in capillaries. He said this:
“The blood clots we hear about which the media claim are very rare are the big blood clots which are the ones that cause strokes and show up on CT scans, MRI, etc. The clots I’m talking about are microscopic and too small to find on any scan. They can thus only be detected using the D-dimer test…The most alarming part of this is that there are some parts of the body like the brain, spinal cord, heart and lungs which cannot re-generate. When those tissues are damaged by blood clots they are permanently damaged.”
Future medical problems and deaths from the microscopic blood clots at this point are speculative.
Conclusions
Here is my logical bottom line. Getting a shot these days is gambling that you will not be that statistical fluke, dying from a lack of protection against COVID from any of the experimental vaccines. Keep in mind that with so many millions of people being vaccinated breakthrough infections are likely to keep rolling up.
And think of your gamble as related to the possibility that you might die from vaccine induced blood clots or bleeding, especially in the brain. And then add these two pieces of true science facts.
If you have natural immunity from being infected at some point your have better immunity than that conferred by the experimental vaccines. Getting a shot might cause serious medical problems if you have natural immunity.
And finally, never forget that since March 2020 we have absolute scientific truth that several cheap, safe and fully FDA approved generic medicines not only can cure COVID but also can be used as a prophylactic to prevent infection. Detailed data on these are in Pandemic Blunder. They are alternatives to the experimental vaccines, and some doctors are prescribing these generics despite actions by NIH, FDA and CDC to block wide use of them.
The main thing to fear now are increasing vaccine mandates that so many people will comply with out of sheer survival needs. Vaccine related deaths will keep being ignored by government and big media in order to safeguard the revenues of big drug companies making the vaccines.
It should also be noted that the August 6 CDC VAERS data included 12,791 deaths as related to vaccine shots. Of course, CDC does not admit the deaths were caused by the shots. Here is their flimsy argument that no sensible person should take too seriously: “A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines.”
Dr. Joel S. Hirschhorn, author of Pandemic Blunder and many articles on the pandemic, worked on health issues for decades. As a full professor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, he directed a medical research program between the colleges of engineering and medicine. As a senior official at the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and the National Governors Association, he directed major studies on health-related subjects; he testified at over 50 US Senate and House hearings and authored hundreds of articles and op-ed articles in major newspapers. He has served as an executive volunteer at a major hospital for more than 10 years. He is a member of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, and America’s Frontline Doctors.
Comparison of two highly-effective mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 during periods of Alpha and Delta variant prevalence
Ivermectin has had quite a few high quality studies - showing no results.
I am not sure about there being "quite a few", but will agree there are a few "no results" I have read. For every negative though, I have seen more than a few positives. Isn't that to be expected? For that matter, has there ever been a medical study that passed each and every test of the drug in question?
And contrary to what you say, some of the positive IVM studies were of high quality, but balanced against the small patient data set. The latest being from Israel which concluded strong efficacy. Also, many of the studies showed increased viral clearance over controls. How can that be? A virus does not understand what a placebo effect is. If something prevents it from replicating, it can't overcome that through shear willpower. If the virus count decreases after the patient takes IVM, is that causation or correlation? Sounds like cause/effect to me.
Lastly; show me one negative study that used IVM + Zinc, Vit D, Melatonin. All I read used only IVM. IVM was always touted as part of a package that works synergistically with the other component parts...not as a stand alone.
The vaccine is the pandemic end-all solution.
Well Merck disagrees.. they have high hopes for their ersatz ivermectin,,
77% effective... one trial with massaged results
but good enough to keep going with the FDA.. and now the TGA in Australia
better than 72% with 27 trials of ivermectin..
ivermectin is so.o ... yesterday ... and post patent
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I am not sure about there being "quite a few", but will agree there are a few "no results" I have read. For every negative though, I have seen more than a few positives. Isn't that to be expected? For that matter, has there ever been a medical study that passed each and every test of the drug in question?
Shane,
I'm impressed that you consider yourself better able to conduct an accurate Cochrane meta-analysis than those who have done it - or perhaps you just feel that a gut feeling about what those positive and negative studies together sum up to is better than a careful analysis?
But in this case - what is expected is positive results from low quality studies. For all the reasons including file drawer effect that you should remember. And the higher teh quality of the study, the more neutral the average results are. I wonder why that would be?
Drugs that work, and are testable, show clear results in big RCTs.
BTW - have you noticed the (not reliable) doctors who claim that ivermectin only works on out-patients with mild COVID? Who just so happen almost all to come from low average age countries (remember Zelecko and his average age 16 Orthodoc Jewish practice?)
How many cases of COVID - detected before there are real symptoms because you advertise you have a wonder-drug that can stop the disease from progressing - do you think actually progress to serious COVID in young people?
It would be easy for a doctor in that position to believe his long run of successes due to ivermection when it is in fact just what one would expect. You need careful analysis to work out, given the low chances of severe COVID in random people with mild COVID, whether a treatment was actually having any effect. And all these doctors with anecdotes of a wonder-treatment do not do that analysis.
However RCTs giving at-home treatment - randomised ivermectin/placebo - to at-home patients with mild COVID have a powerful tool to determine does it help. And they find out it does not help.
It is very difficult to get those negative results from a careful placebo-controlled RCT if the drug tested is as claimed a miracle drug making a big difference.
Here is another one
Mark u's ClO2. Now - i don't know whether downing vast quantities of ClO2 does work. I'd doubt it, because COVID replicated in the nasal passages and lungs - both of these places would not take kindly to too much bleach.
What i do know is that a 99.6% recovery rate in Mexico (let us call that 0.4% CFR) is not impressive if you are looking for early-stage non-hospitalised patients (so your cases are the ones that would not normally even be cases) and your patients are young as is predominately the case in Mexico (Median age 29). And some parts of Mexico - away from cities - it will be much younger.
Mark U's guy in that link says very clearly that HCQ and ivermectin do not work - only his magic ClO2!
That is an example of the Alice Through the looking glass nature of the HCQ/ivermectin/ClO2/... claims. They are mutually exclusive. If ivermectin only works on mild disease then a whole load of those positive Trials that so impress Shane muts be biassed, or at least not positive - because they are on medium or severe disease hospital patients.
Unfortunately there will be an unending stream of these false claims - it is a feature of medicine that quackery is natural - it does not need to be deliberate, a lot of those 17th century doctors killing their patients genuinely thought they were helping. pandemics - where a miracle cure is a so badly needed - bring it out.
What appalls me is that this thread - where there are people capable of thinking rationally - remains passively accepting false claim after false with the excuse that the whole medical establishment is out to kills people.
i read Jed's link about how in the US medicine has become about profit - so i'll not say anything about doctors there. I'm sure there are many good ones, but can see they work in an environment that could easily corrupt them - where hospitals have become money-making machines.
But that is not true in the UK. And our doctors and scientists look at ivermectin, HCQ, note the negative evidence, and are horrified by the advocacy groups.
Explain that away without recourse to W's alphabet soup mafia organisation.
Perhaps FLCC should change their treatment to ClO2 which clearly works when ivermectin does not - if you believe this guy?
Well Merck disagrees.. they have high hopes for their ersatz ivermectin,,
77% effective... one trial with massaged results
but good enough to keep going with the FDA.. and now the TGA in Australia
RB - I thought you had some scientific and maths training. you do understand why with ivermectin (and it is a general phenomenon found with many drug candidates that have popular appeal and are tried in emergencies) the less rigorous trials are positive, the more rigorous carefully conducted ones that cannot have confounders are negative?
It would be great for you to make a principled case. Simply claiming that everyone is corrupt as you do here is not a good argument.
For example: do you believe the western RCTs for early-stage treatment, e.g. TOGETHER, are all run by doctors who are deliberately falsifying results? You know how much trouble they would get into for that? And they would have the guilt (if they did this to prevent a good treatment from being used) of knowing that had killed millions of people. It makes no sense at all.
So the 1918 pandemic ended abruptly with vaccination? Rothwellian revisionism.
Obviously I meant it stopped killing people.
1918 Pandemic Influenza: Three Waves | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC
The vaccine is the pandemic end-all solution
Well, it appears the NYT's disagrees with you:
"Professor Davidovitch, the Israeli public health expert, got a third shot. But he is now convinced of the necessity of a multilayered strategy, including mask wearing, limiting access to public venues to the vaccinated or those who have recovered from the virus, and measures to strengthen the health care system.
"“The vaccinations were supposed to solve everything,” he said. “We now understand that the vaccines are not enough.”"
Well, it appears the NYT's disagrees with you:
No, it says the same thing I just said. That article is where I got the idea. It says:
But he is now convinced of the necessity of a multilayered strategy, including mask wearing, limiting access to public venues to the vaccinated or those who have recovered from the virus . . .
I said we need vaccines, masks, case tracking and quarantines to drive the Rt below 1. I did not say that vaccines alone can do it. They are essential but not sufficient. The quote from the Times says we also need to limit access to public venues to exclude unvaccinated people. That goes beyond what I would advocate, but it seems that a high fraction of the population must be vaccinated (or recovered) to lower the Rt. Maybe it is 80% or 90%? I guess that amounts to the same thing as excluding people. It means there will virtually no one left to exclude.
I think we will have to vaccinate children to stamp out the disease.
Obviously I meant it stopped killing people.
obviously a false analogy
BTW - have you noticed the (not reliable) doctors who claim that ivermectin only works on out-patients with mild COVID? Who just so happen almost all to come from low average age countries (remember Zelecko and his average age 16 Orthodoc Jewish practice?)
After judge orders hospital to use experimental Covid-19 treatment, woman recovers
COVID Patient in Coma Gets Ivermectin After Court Order
Display MoreBTW - have you noticed the (not reliable) doctors who claim that ivermectin only works on out-patients with mild COVID? Who just so happen almost all to come from low average age countries (remember Zelecko and his average age 16 Orthodoc Jewish practice?)
After judge orders hospital to use experimental Covid-19 treatment, woman recovers
https://buffalonews.com/news/l…eb-aac5-53b541448755.html
COVID Patient in Coma Gets Ivermectin After Court Order
One anecdote does not a good drug make. You know, that is why they have patients in hospital, even in a coma - quite a lot do recover...
Anyway, which is it? ivermectin works in all stages, or only early stage... Those suggesting it need to have a consistent hypothesis and collect evidence - not cherry pick.
THH
I think we will have to vaccinate children to stamp out the disease.
We can hope natural immunity will be enough, but I doubt it. Most likely we will have a situation like Flu.
