Frank Gordon's "Lattice Energy Converter (LEC)"...replicators workshop

  • So jean-paul biberian said he did found anything by using only an alloyed cathode with Pd.

    Only he found things after made a Pd plating layer onto the cathode.

    He should know as old guard great member that a plating process generates an high tension inside the Pd lattice deposited able to reach 10 Gpa !!

    This is in relation with my proposal here to add an hydraulic cylinder to drive the P&F cathode.

    Same way of thinking as nickec or Brian Albiston here in another thread.

    Considering P&F experiments they have reached an high lattice tension only after a big loading, XSH appeared above 90% D loading.

    By plating way we are able to reach also an high tension without the need of high loading.

    i cross this way of expectation with last words from Storms who said we don't need finally a full loading for XSH, more better is the D flux inside the lattice.

  • Frank Gordon , can you tell us if the person that replicated the LEC and that works at Los Alamos will be able to build the reactor with “window” that he wanted to?

    That issue has been circling in my mind.

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.

  • Well as said Frank Gordon it's a surprising discovery now luck favors the brave :)

    Unfortunately, all new way of experimentation appear very simply at the beginning however when you go away a little more, we understand that devil stays in the details.

    To me, the Pd tension is important, important to drive too.

    It should be interesting for replicators to use a low young modulus metal as aluminum for example.

    In fact, rather an aluminum tiny threaded rod with 2 nuts easy to play with.

    We have to know, we already are able to make electricity by piezoelectric matters under lattice deformations.


    https://sciencing.com/piezoele…bone-density-5969491.html


    In this way, we should explore may be Pd behavior under tensile stress, maybe it could add more information to resolve the P&F cold case.

  • This thread has resulted in an interesting collaboration. Hopefully more are to come that we can openly talk about. Secrecy, and anonymity in LENR come with the territory for good reason. Many of our members though are not as constrained by funding requirements, or organizational integrity.


    Would love to hear from you.

  • This thread is slow, but the effort to attract replicators is not. I am aware of another replication attempt brewing, in addition to the one mentioned previously. Frank Gordon is asking the team to use the forum to interact, so that others can learn. That prevents "reinventing the wheel", as often happens in LENR, and ups the chances of success. All we can do is hope they accept.


    There have already been some clarifications to the initial instructions which Gordon has mentioned privately, and I believe he will be posting those here soon. Yes...it is understandable for those who want to maintain some distance, so that their results are seen as "independent", but the quickest road to success is full open source so nothing is missed.


    To that end, we continue to privately ask our qualified researchers if they will step up to the plate. If we get any takers, we are willing to fund raise in support of their work.


    We are off to a good start. One replication is underway, with this newest one being planned. Both are high quality teams, and if they succeed, it will be big news.

  • Yes...it is understandable for those who want to maintain some distance, so that their results are seen as "independent",

    Don't ever do that!! That way lies failure. Learn as much as you can. If possible, get the materials directly from the original experimenter. In 1989 and 1990 Martin Fleischmann handed out Johnson Matthey cathodes that worked. Other kinds did not work. He said: "When uncle Martin gives you a cathode, it works. When other people give you cathode, they don't work. What does that tell you? Hmmmm???"

  • Don't ever do that!! That way lies failure. Learn as much as you can. If possible, get the materials directly from the original experimenter. In 1989 and 1990 Martin Fleischmann handed out Johnson Matthey cathodes that worked. Other kinds did not work. He said: "When uncle Martin gives you a cathode, it works. When other people give you cathode, they don't work. What does that tell you? Hmmmm???"

    Frank Gordon has already hinted where he purchases materials so it’s less of a hassle, However if he could prepare and send co deposited wires it could probably increase the base of replicators as the “reactor” itself is kind of simple to replicate by anyone with access to a good shop, but the co deposited wire requires a lot of implementation that only people already in the co deposition trade or at least electrolysis has in place.

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.

  • However if he could prepare and send co deposited wires it could probably increase the base of replicators

    Especially it could boost motivation and confidence to invest more time and money, after they have seen a working example set up and measured within their own lab and with their own equipment.

    The psychological effect of a successful experiment has not to be underestimated.

  • We seem to see the political evolution from LF staff.

    In fact, you now want to be a vector for raising money, currently around the Franck Gordon experiment.

    We all know, especially the small teams, that money remains an important driver, but not the only one, I concede.

    There has indeed been a commendable effort with the Google Project.

    However, I expect that LF staff are at crossroads from a lot of informative circles both, I think they should be less shy in the future. Business operates on trust.

    This is why I think LF can give confidence because this knows relevant small teams, say in 2nd league, (I speak for all). So if a big investor showed up, LF could take over, i expect.


  • We seem to see the political evolution from LF staff.

    In fact, you now want to be a vector for raising money, currently around the Franck Gordon experiment.

    This was just some speculation about donations to support one replicator, not a global ambition. Similar in concept to us raising money to get Ruby Carat to ICCF 22. But we (the whole forum) are already doing some limited due diligence for outsiders, just by being here and discussing published claims.

  • Don't ever do that!! That way lies failure. Learn as much as you can. If possible, get the materials directly from the original experimenter. In 1989 and 1990 Martin Fleischmann handed out Johnson Matthey cathodes that worked. Other kinds did not work. He said: "When uncle Martin gives you a cathode, it works. When other people give you cathode, they don't work. What does that tell you? Hmmmm???"

    Jed, in your opinion (and anyone elses), what LENR or related technologies (evo's, strange radiation) are the most likely to be reliably replicated without needing to get materials from the original experimenter?

    What are the most robust conditions that seem to be present in the most reliable experiments, what are the nitty gritty details that matter?


    I have one theory about what the missing ingredient might be, it relates to the work of physicist William Tiller, and to be honest I'd rather that not be the only solution, if you know of his work you will know why I hope that is not the only way to get these extraordinary results.


    But if there is a way that "always works" without that then what are those conditions? Or is it a case of cultivating the right conditions, so nothing works immediately but after some duration of an experiment running the right setup.

  • Jed, in your opinion (and anyone elses), what LENR or related technologies (evo's, strange radiation) are the most likely to be reliably replicated without needing to get materials from the original experimenter?

    Will take you awhile, but read this thread first Team Google wants your opinion: "What is the highest priority experiment the LENR community wants to see conducted?" ,and then ask your question again.