Posts by guest111

Quote from sigmoidal

Yes, that is the Dameron who was using in IR camera for calorimetry. You aren't going to like my comment, but using an IR camera (no matter how expensive) for calorimetry says a lot more about Dameron than it does about any measured COP. We know that Rossi also eschewed any non-IR-camera calorimetry, and this speaks volumes about him as well.

Here's something for you to ponder: IR camera's have fourth order sensitivity to error. What that means is that a 'minor' error or bias in observation can be raised to the fourth power. Throw in phase change and pressure errors in assumptions leading to calculated power (because all of the non-water bath measurements relied on calculated power, not physically measured or expressed power), and it is not hard to imagine how they came up with those errant estimates. IR cameras are BAD at measuring absolute heat energy - that's not what they are designed for. They are designed to do an accurate job of measuring spatial differences in thermal output.

But if there were any doubt, we know that a dummy reactor was measuring high COP. Do you suppose they were using Rossi's mandated thermal camera for that?

We also know that Vaughn, to his credit, was trying water bath calorimetry and getting measurements very close to unity (within hundredths) on either side of unity.

You realize, I hope, that a toaster will measure very close to unity, and if the electric cord is included in the water bath system, quality water bath measurement will attain a measure extremely close to the theoretically predicted (according to the First Law of Thermodynamics) value of 1.0000000?

Note: If, like Vaughn, you happened to use a slightly less precise approach on your toaster (he admitted uncertainty about water volume, which is critical) and measure 1.01, please don't bother running out into the streets shouting 'Eureka, my toaster is a perpetual motion machine that will solve the world's 'energy crisis'.

If Rossi really had a COP above 6, a non-experienced business major (like Vaughn) should reasonably be able to measure excess heat using water bath calorimetry, because even if he was off by a lot, he'd still end up with a 'big' number, and 'big' could be as little as 1.5.

The highest number we have from the Docket where we know it was water bath is Vaughn's 1.042 Perhaps they managed to mistakenly measure 1.3 (but we don't know that that was water bath).

If you're trying to measure COP's with precision out to several decimal places, you need to have an experienced technician or researcher involved if you hope to achieve reliable measurements. But of course, tiny COPs do not translate into anything commercializable. The best you could hope is that they lead to further research that might eventually be expanded to commercial viability. To do that, you would almost certainly need to have a better sense of the mechanisms of action.

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No one with any knowledge of engineering in general, much less technicality of thermodynamic measurement, would suggest using a an IR camera for calorimetry. In addition to your cogent points above about the absolute lack of applicability, Rossi, et.al, had fun playing with the pretty graphics images in Photoshop, changing around all the pretty colors with all the options in Photoshop. What a laughable fraud, if I were IH, I'd be so ashamed I'd craw under the carpet.

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In my opinion, these organizations are slightly at fault. Madoff deserves most of the blame, but they deserve a small slice.

First, because they should have known better. They had a fiduciary responsibility to check into the claims more closely, and consult with experts.

Second, for a more subtle reason. As the saying goes, "you can't cheat an honest man." The decision makers at these organizations thought they had an inside edge. An advantage over the rest of society. They thought they were getting a special deal -- an extra high return on investment that an ordinary Joe putting his money in the bank could never dream of getting. That is slightly unethical. Okay, that's capitalism. In real life wealthy people do often get inside information and an inside chance to make more money that ordinary folks do not get. But when the opportunity is apparently as wonderful as what Madoff offered, and supposedly risk free, if it had been real, I think it would verge on unethical. This is what the Marxists call rentier capitalism, and I think it has a bad smell.

I do not find it unethical when wealthy people risk their money and get a large return. That's what I.H. was doing. No one knows better than I how risky cold fusion is! But when wealthy people think the risk is low and yet the return is gigantic, they contribute to the growing inequality of society and justified resentment against capitalism. They are knowingly playing in a rigged system. They shouldn't do that. They should insist that such opportunities be made available to all people, including middle class and poor people with a little money to invest. That is how public stock markets are supposed to work. That's the whole point of the stock market. Originally, anyway. Nowadays it is just computers trying to outwit other computers.

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Madoff is an infinitely more credible and believable conman than Rossi, which is the biggest mystery of all in this "drama"---WHY supposedly experienced investors would fork over $10M with no due-diligence (I'd want my money back if I were an "investor"), notwithstanding anyone's hair on the back of their neck should stand up to someone hawking the greatest invention of the century with a bundle of crude pipe, hidden in insulation and a couple of thermocouples and heaters. If one were to write a move about this, they would have to make major changes to the Rossi persona, and technical presentation, to make it halfway believable to the audience (that anyone would fall for it), including, but not limited to: omitting his past public history of cons, much more professional looking experimental apparatus than his crude insulation wrapped, home depot pipe oragami, omitting (or actually producing) the "mystery" customer whom no one was allowed to see, along with the mega heat exchanger, etc.

Rossi could have made a fortune, legally, as an Amway salesman, a "quadruple-diamond-direct distributor", probably easier.

Quote from Jack Cole

He does indeed work very hard at putting on a show, while enlisting others to do the hard work of making the props (reactors). He also works hard at putting on the show of working hard. It gives the intended image and makes the reader think, "surely he wouldn't work so hard for nothing would he?" That was one thought it elicited in me in the past. Eventually, I realized these kinds of thoughts are coming from a rational doubt.

And the adrenaline/motivation knowing you're going to get unequivocally nailed, and maybe sent to jail, if you don't rip out "equipment" like a madman before being exposed, begets sudden bursts of "productivity".

Quote from we_cat_global

All,

I am sure the following hypothesis has been mentioned before. Just in case a too fast written down idea;

Parking Rossi for a year in a very depressing business unit, so he could not get in the way of IH's new business ventures, knowing that he would never be able to get his hands on the USD 89 million carrot, not only was a cheaper option for IH than to outright ditch him, Rossi would be better controllable as well. Moreover, IH would annihilate Rossi after the setup-to-fail test. They knew about the "fake customer", they knew about other flaws, but just did not care. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.

Rossi fell for the offered carrot, but along the way figured out that he would never receive the performance fee and that IH pulled his leg. He then had ample time to meticulously prepare the court case, in his view his only viable option, while at Doral. Despite that Rossi thought he could pull-off the test, his technology works you know, he now started cutting corners when he encountered problems. Moreover, he started to predict the court case and IH's action and make sure that he could cover his tracks where he thought that would be necessary.

IH realized too late that they faced one tough son-of-a-gun and started to prepare for the case too late. Until the very end they could not comprehend Rossi being so bald as to sue them. They offered him a rudimentary exit deal and had already prepared for a phase without Rossi, IH being the sole owner of Rossi's IP.

So when Rossi started biting them (what a clever and disciplined man that he could sit in a container for a year and not bark once!), IH had to come-out with guns blazing. They had to reassure their business partners that this court case would just be a small blip and that after they crushed Rossi, it would be business as planned. Now that Rossi is quite succesfully upping his odds in the case, going from standing no chance to a jury trial, and who knows what he will pull from his hat during the trial, IH and affiliates are getting nervous. If they lose the IP, they lose everything. If they lose too much precious time, they lose their partners. A "siberian dilemma" unfolds;

1. Continue the trial, but face further costly delays. And how to price the very small chance that you lose everything?

2. Strike a deal with Rossi, knowing that he will come back for more and accept a very big dent in your reputation.

Cheers,

JB

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Don't go out in a lightning storm with that humongous tinfoil hat! That is rather funny though!!

Quote from Interestedpeasant

the real key to spotting a creature like Rossi and what he is up to is the NASA hypothesis. Never A Straight Answer. His blog from its misleading title of professional sounding validity .journal of nuclear physics is a lesson in how to do this. Even when he is provided opportunity to be on the level he obfuscates and gives short effusive answers. These scams and getting away with them provide a thrill to the conman. Every honest poster who visits and asks a question is like another notch i n his bow.

All I needed to get a first suspicion was the incredibly crude plumbing scrap "devices" wrapped in foil insulation and tape with a couple of cheap thermocouple meters sticking out (and power going in) like a Thanksgiving turkey--and it was downhill from there. Question for all the Rossi devotees, has ANYONE ever seen one of Rossi's greatest inventions "run" totally free of a connected power source???

Quote from THHuxleynew

Lawyers sure do.

I'm surprised you would be surprised at US granted patents being worthless though. There are an awful lot of US granted patents. Nearly all are never used. And patents existing is no validation at all of the technology - if that were to be the case it would make granting patents much more expensive! Patents tend to work because people do not bother to patent stuff that does not work. But, there are some exceptions...

OK Pardon me, there is ONE granted US patent, just as worthless, for a water heating device...says nothing of "fusion", but a lot of hand-waving non-specific drivel about auxiliary heating sources keeping a 'reaction' going in his pixie dust, turning the power off and on, NO data, zero zilch nada. IT HAS NOTHING REGARDING, NOR DESCRIBING a "fusion" process, nor any claims of creating excess energy. And yes, there are millions of worthless and unsubstantiated patents that are granted (just search "ridiculous patents" it's rather amusing (Rossi's might even pop up). Hmm, strange that Rossi, who is so protective and paranoid, would "hide in plain sight" the secret formula for the greatest invention of the century, such that anyone might steal it (or at least get large clues), and/or that the world has not beaten down his door for his better (disclosed) mousetrap. This too, might be used as a turbo-hotdog-cooker, but the $10 at Walmart would actually work.

"An application in 2008 to patent the device internationally received an unfavorable preliminary report on patentability at the World Intellectual Property Organization from the European Patent Office, noting that the description of the device was based on "general statements and speculations" and citing "numerous deficiencies in both the description and in the evidence provided to support its feasibility" as well as incompatibilities with "generally accepted laws of physics and established theories." The patent application was published on 15 October 2009.

On 6 April 2011 an application was approved by the Italian Patent and Trademark Office, which issued a patent for the invention, valid only in Italy. Under then-current Italian law, the examination of the application was more formal and less technical than for the corresponding PCT application.

In March 2014 the US Patent Office replied to Rossi's US patent application with a provisional decision to reject it, saying "The specification is objected to as inoperable. Specifically there is no evidence in the corpus of nuclear science to substantiate the claim that nickel will spontaneously ionize hydrogen gas and therefore 'absorb' the resulting proton".

Rossi has nothing of any "intellectual property" value (same with IH). An issued patent in ITALY (!), yea that's really valuable), and hoards of patent applications that are not worth the paper they're written on--they mean nothing unless/until granted, and judging from his track record of patents, experiments, data and physics, the ONLY ones that will be issued are in Italy (likely by leaving a milk-jar containing a pittance of his ill-gotten gains on the stoop of the an Italian bureaucrat), well, maybe also in Timbuktu, Fiji etc. They might however consider filing the patents, on the cylindrical kiln designs as turbo-hotdog cookers.

Quote from we_cat_global

Hi Guest111,

Your black and white thinking will hinder you to see certain things. The world is not made-up of heroes and villains. There is something to learn from everybody and there is good and bad in everyone of us. I'd rather let an enigmatic and creative inventor run with a technology, than that i would trust that technology with a bunch of hypocrite "money changers".

Rossi has his manhood on the chopping block. He has his life invested in this. He is the personification of "skin in the game". The recent leaked photo's where he wears a grey wig point to chemotherapy. Lying or not, the man is working long hours and is super productive. He fights on several fronts and is building a new product at the same time. You should try to write him a mail. Within a day he answers and gives information where he can. Sure, his communication is special, but this guy is involved.

On the other side we have a bunch of guys that smile a lot. Their combovers are well positioned and when they talk they use a lot of words, but actually do not tell you anything. They are connected and want you to know. They are they supposed saviours of LENR and after some purely executed investments, give small hand-outs, scraps to the vulnerable in the industry to make a name. Moreover, to kill the characters that now stand in their way.

Sure, Rossi has been convicted. In Italy that was. A country where one hand greases the other and the juridical system has severe problems. Where recently Amanda Knox spent four years in jail. And i understand that "convicted for financial fraud" is a nice soundbite, but let me tell you that IH and affiliates are no saints either.

Some excerpts from a NY Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04…acres-of-brownfields.html)

"They (JB: Cherokee) are taking on some fairly challenging projects," said Bradley M. Campbell, commissioner of the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. "Their willingness to take risks can advance our policy goals."

Yet not every official is ready to turn over the keys to the city or the state to an obscure out-of-state company whose track record offers little evidence of what to expect."

"By taking advantage of legislation that favors development over preservation, availing itself of government subsidies, appealing to strapped municipalities, and donating generously to local, county and state political candidates and parties -- either directly or through well-connected consultants -- Cherokee finds itself not only with preferred status, but also in a position to affect many of the state's most important land decisions."

"Critics of Cherokee -- who insist that company has been given preferential treatment in the granting of contracts in New Jersey -- have speculated that some of those private investors are part of the state's ruling political elite, an accusation that Mr. Darden denied."

And so on..and so forth..

The article sums it up nicely. Thomas Darden is good at "smart business". Saving the world my ass. I call that arbitraging legislation. A few visits to the White House, a few donations here and there. Keeping people happy with a tip and now and then a speech where he doesn't say anything. There is no added value whatsoever. Changing money, pushing boxes, that is how these guys roll.

The funny thing is, that when they actually try to do something useful, they screw-up tremendously.

And when shit hits the fan, they have accumulated an impressive warchest to, together with scary parties like tobacco and oil company promoting APCO and the like, threaten, sue and delay in court, until at one point nobody can comprehend where stuff derailed.

If i were an LENR entrepreneur i would not touch Thomas Darden with a twenty foot pole. If i now were one of the guys that Darden invested in, i would look at the agreed upon contracts very carefully and search for outs. The LENR space should be very careful with these kind of guys. Think twice when you drag a rather large horse into your fort.

LENR might be the beginning of a next phase in science. IH and affiliates do business "twentieth century style". And no sane man should want to combine the two.

So in short, this inferior character rather drinks a grappa with a convicted inventor, than to sit at the same table as the world saviours.

Cheers,

JB

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Thanks for your thoughtful comment. I don't think IH is any "saint" (and one should not expect as such, they are an investment company, above all their hype about wanting to save the world, they are out to make money). I also find it relatively difficult to believe that IH's motives (regarding money) were entirely pure, or perhaps entirely ethical, either, but the behavior that you describe is par for the course for many investment companies, and many businesses, and "business plans" of people seeking investment in general--"buyer beware". I also find it hard to believe they were that naive and incompetent on due-diligence for a rather extended time, The marketing people in one's own company even do similar (I've seen it working in big companies), they promise developments and deliveries that they know are highly unlikely to be forthcoming. However, this is rather apart from the frauds that Rossi perpetuates, the resistance to perform a simple test to PROVE his greatest invention of the century DOES work, and the constant drone here that the world must prove that every outrageous claim that Rossi and his followers put forth are NOT true. Cheers

Quote from ele

Corrosion in pipes is not a trivial topic.

How can you say that partial corrosion (???? seen from outside ????) if any is evidence that the return pipe was half empty ?

Flux in pipes is very rarely linear and in most cases is turbulent. Corrosion depends on flux type, material of papes and liquid and electrical connection of the system.

See e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…enting_galvanic_corrosion

and for just an introduction to the topic see:

https://www.uio.no/studier/emn…odul-5/Pipeflow_intro.pdf

And what would be the other evidence ?

As usual Jed you are to generic and vague.

Are you sure that you are an expert in Science and Technology ?

Things are much more complex then you describe !

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He, and everyone with a 6th grade education understand that science and technology are not based on proving NEGATIVES, as is the basis of virtually every argument in support of Rossi's claims, and these forum topics.

Quote from sigmoidal

Well, I think there is a lot of evidence that there was no heat exchanger - the pictures taken within a day of 'test completion' are pretty convincing. But I admit that so far we don't seem to have a picture of the mezzanine from when the E-Cat was 'operational' showing no pipes at the base of the door (only just above the base).

Since Rossi's 'heat exchanger' idea emerged after Bass' deposition, there are no questions asked of Bass about the alleged mezzanine heat exchanger. You can bet that at trial, Bass will be asked if he has any knowledge about it.

If Rossi is reading here: Your phones and emails are currently wiretapped by the FBI, and any pre-trial collusion can and will be used against you in Federal Court.

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But, but, just like everything to do with this charade, you must prove the negatives on every aspect, that every preposterous claim that Rossi and his "advocates" claim is FALSE (and throw in proving the existence of flying unicorns)--shows how much Rossi and his "advocates" know about the scientific method as taught in 6th grade.

Quote from we_cat_global

Shane,

Watch out with the the animal metaphors! Alan Smith finds them too insulting.

Maybe he is hard to corner because he is not as evil or fraudulent as being portrayed by many. And indeed, i admire him for his perseverance in fighting for his cause. He is not only hard to corner, he switches easily from defense to attack and fights back with everything he has. Too few admire him for that. Or should i say, he keeps being underestimated. There is more fighting to come and his opponents better be alert.

Cheers,

JB

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Someone who admires the behavior and characteristics of a convicted and ongoing liar and conman, well, what does that say about their character.

Quote from Forty-Two

... and yes, although knowing better, IH told Woodford many times that e-cat was tested and works with a COP of 11, and Woodford may buy into this technology - which is worth trillions - just for 50 mio, and the Woodford guys never wondered why this 100% working technology is such a bargain.

... and yes, I have a genuine Rolex to sale - it will cost you just 100 bucks (because we are friends).

If I assure you that I own the powerball ticket which hit this week's jackpot, and I offer you for a few bucks a share of this ticket, and you really believe me that this ticket is worth millions, that much stupidity and greed would deserve to get punished.

Woodford guys - same as IH - may lack of technical expertise, however I am sure they are not stupid in money business, and that they know that there is no business which promises tremendous chances but no risk.

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Problem is, it is sometimes difficult for "promoters" to spot other "promoters" (of the fraudulent kind), and also the promoters are using OPM (other people's money) who have signed it away for them to risk and/or lose, so the promoters are not really risking or losing personally.

Fixin' to make a trip to Home Depot and build me an eCat (well I'll call mine the eRat in order to avoid any trademark conflicts). Let's see, need random pipe and pipe-fittings, rolls of aluminum foil-faced insulation (lots of that to hide the pipe and tin-cans) , tape, strip-heaters, water-garden pump, tubing, misc wire, and pixie-dust (pixie dust not available at Home-Depot, but I'll get my kids to make some, as any will do). Should be easy, as I have much better tools and instruments in the garage (and better plumbing skills). Bye, bye Power Company, yehahhh. (Then, I will offer my eRat to IH, for the nominal sum of only $50 million).

Quote from Zeus46

There's a Vaughn email where he describes seeing ecat excess heat in a water boiling experiment... No messing about with IR cams and that...

Exactly, and Vaughn's scientific credentials and/or experience are what? zero, zilch, nada. He's a salesman.

Quote from Interestedpeasant

Perhaps he chose Florida for the very reason that excess heat would be lost very easily, do it in Canada? Anywhere even temperate ? Excess heats gonna show up when the snow melts ,the steam rises it would contrast with the environment. Florida's so hot already that you can "lose" the perception of 1mw of heat very easily. Back at the start in bologna it reminds me of the steam not steam that was almost photographed. Same old same old. Makes lenr look very much like one big scam to even someone who has read the peer reviewed palladium stuff that's been peer reviewed to show at least the glimpse of validity you get from replication.

Disinterested peasant might be a better name perhaps...

Then again criminology and the study of scams and conartists is quite the science of its own...this site would be far more credible if it weren't for the banner ads for psychics and get rich quick trading schemes. Lenr is a term that due to folk like Rossi will go the way of cold fusion before it I suspect...whatever's going on in those lattices? Doesn't look like we are finding out anytime soon...

He chose Florida, because Florida is the king of con-men, cons, and shady lawyers, particularly personal injury and networks of "doctors" and "clinics" trading around accident "victims" and many schemes bilking insurance companies and the government. Plus, Florida apparently has many laws where it is difficult to confiscate people's real property when they get sued or go bankrupt, those sucker investors of IH will never get their money back--it's tied up in Rossi's condo's already.

Quote from Bob

As always, avoiding the real questions and accusing others. Try to deflect with statements such as above? Your posts clearly speak for themselves and you know it.

And you can cry IH is the "wolf" all you want and it will not make it any more true.

Please answer about the Murray memo intent, when it was written, why it was written and how you can still use it continually to state it shows IH evil and Murray and ignorant! That the one sentence requires IH to make a retraction because they have so misled the public! Really? You continue to use this argument but you never answer the criticism. How about disputing THH math on the heat exchanger? No, the real issue is what angle to look at a window to see if a glass pane is there or not. It does not matter! The math shows the exchanger could not work. Yet you put pages on a window and ignore the solid math.

If Rossi has what he states, he could easily prove it. He does not. So his believers have to conjure up amazing scenarios to provide what he cannot.

Why? It is clearly evident.

Rossi removes and destroys all the evidence. Why? It is clearly evident.

Rossi lies and creates fake customers, fake engineers, fake sales, fake partners, fake.... why? It is clearly evident.

Rossi does not provide any hard evidence to the court documents! His only expert witness is testifying only from "Rossi says". why? It is evident.

So my challenge to you is, if you TRULY are "seeking truth", then attempt to justify all of Rossi's actions from their own merit. From Rossi's own scientific evidence. From Rossi's own credibility! So far all I have seen from you, is to try and white wash Rossi by attempting to paint IH evil. The painted picture is "I will be on Rossi's side because IH is worse that Rossi!"

I do not criticize Rossi by trying to paint IH an angel. I challenge you to even find one post I have made about IH and "how good they are". I criticize Rossi because of HIS actions, HIS fraud, HIS dealings. You try to support him by trying to deride IH. A big difference.

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If it were not for all the above outright calculated lies and obfuscations of Rossi, one might give him some latitude that he may be truly deluded that he is Tesla or Maxwell reincarnated; however, Rossi's only delusion is that he believes that he can perpetuate frauds indefinitely and never suffer any consequences (which he has been correct thus far, and a testament to the theory it is easier to steal a million dollars (or 10 million) than a hundred, and when you get caught, the consequences are also less ). Why doesn't he fire up any one of those insulation-wrapped Home-Depot pipe-bombs with proper instrumentation and oversight and collect his other 89 million?

Quote from interested observer

No matter how much I try to figure out the rationale for the debate going on here, I just can't quite succeed. The claim is that some magical gizmo in this little space in an office park in Florida was producing 1 MW of power pretty much continuously for an entire year while consuming considerably less power in the process. Better yet, nobody noticed. Whether this actually happened is being argued on the basis of the diameter of pipes, the existence or lack thereof of a window pane, and whether or not there was a giant invisible heat exchanger in the attic. The only so-called evidence that anything like this actually happened consists of the ravings of someone whose endless lies for years on end have been breathtaking in their brazenness. And yet, some 6,000 posts later, the argument goes on. I guess I just don't have the "special" perspective that many here do. From where I sit, the whole thing is too absurd to argue about with a straight face.

Indeed. The biggest "mystery" in the whole escapade is how/why supposedly experienced investors (or one's grandmother) would believe any piece of this charade from start to end (to the tune of $10M , over years, no less!), starting with Rossi's checkered (to put it mildly) background, proceeding thru his amateurish (again being mild) unverified experimental "apparatus" (insulation wrapped crude hairballs of pipe and strip/cartridge heaters with a couple of uncalibrated cheap thermocouple meters stuck into them like cooking a turkey (well, it is a turkey, no offense to turkeys intended)) and (intentionally) flawed "data" collection and carnival-barking, to his obvious blatant transparent lies, tampering and obfuscations. Yet, there are those that insist that somehow the world must prove definitively that Rossi and his great invention are NOT fake, and that pink flying unicorns do NOT exist, with no requirement to professionally and easily verify his great inventions actually DO work (how science and engineering are conducted in the real world).

Quote from Roger

I believe you've been in touch with some military who told you things, just like IH/Cherokee told you things. We're now seeing how those hearsays are unraveling.

JMP seems like a ghetto-rigged backup plan put in place after Johnson Matthey didn't go forward with whatever agreement they had, and maybe IH/Cherokee took liberties with the IP, which might have pushed Rossi to not really care about complete transparency.

We don't know yet about the heat exchanger, whether it's real or not (but given what we know about the rest of the set-up and surroundings, there's no reason it couldn't have been where Rossy says, check ECW)

Do you realize how much ad hoc theories you have to create in order to come to the conclusion that it's not a banal business/IP dispute about an extraordinary invention, but an epic story of lies and deceit woven by a super crafty indomitable hypnotist playing tricks on the minds of way more than average people from scientific, military and private business (financial and industrial) backgrounds, over the course of 10+ years, and several continents?

Quote from Jed Rothwell:

It isn't as if he fooled millions of people. He is a con man. Fooling
people is what he does for a living. He is pretty good at it. This is
not a particularly unusual or noteworthy accomplishment. He is not a
world-class con man such as Bernie Madoff. Surely you are aware that con
men are common, and many investors, military organizations and others
are often swindled. You can read about such things in the newspaper any
day of the week.

This might make a good movie, but some major enhancements/liberties would need to be taken by the scriptwriter for acceptance by an average moviegoer:

a) An immensely more credible and believable con-man persona and background than the real Rossi would need to be developed, improving his incoherent, disjointed, unverified, ramblings and “data”:, his basement skill-level aluminum-foil hairball “experimental apparatus” and Ebay used-and abused uncalibrated (or “re-uncalibrated” as it were) measurement equipment , deleting his very public history of prior exposed criminal cons, something more credible than his hand-waving exhortations of “..look, TRUST me, the hairball on the bench is producing 10x, 100x, the input power, but you cannot verify my measurements or test apparatus, or install an agreed upon one , and ignore all those heater elements and power going into the hairball!!..." .

b) “a” above would be required for the audience to believe that a group of supposedly intelligent, experienced investors (or one’s grandmother) would be naive, gullible, and cavalier with OPM (other people’s money) enough to fall for such a blatantly obvious con, to the tune of millions of dollars—that is indeed the biggest “mystery” of all .

This is entertaining and perplexing, all the people bantering about, pipe sizes, meter locations, open windows, thermocouple types, mystery home-depot heat-exchangers, what’s “behind the curtain/wall” that no one was allowed to see, etc.

As noted previously on many occasions, all this could be easily decided: setup a test with mutually agreed-upon and certified measurement methods and observers (of course, conman Rossi has not, and would never, agree to such a test, likely citing how everyone is out to steal his great invention, and defraud him (a rather pathetic and not credible excuse)), therefore he can never disclose all his “secrets”) and fire up any one of Rossi’s many “working” greatest inventions of the last hundred years (afterall, they’re easily constructed in the garage with rudimentary tools , skills and expertise) and start measuring/data-gathering.

Yet, Rossi’s supporters, insist on the impossible “logic” that the world must prove a negative to the countless stream-of-consciousness Rossi-world "output" --that Rossi is NOT lying, that the “data” is NOT fake, that the “customer” is NOT a fraud, huge excess energy did NOT exist, that huge ventilation fans did NOT exist, that pink flying unicorns do NOT exist—ad nauseam . The only explanation as to why Rossi and his cohorts will not agree to such a demonstration is that he is a total fraud--amazing that anyone would fall for it, much less pay millions. If I were an “investor”, I’d be suing IH to get my money back due to gross negligence.

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