Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion

  • You said the output power measurement was wrong. It wasn't. You were wrong.


    I noted the problem with the input power measurement the day after the demo, noting that the missing measurement was easy to do and any customer would make it..


    It is you who is being dense.


    Since you have a real problem with facts:


    Fact: I never said the ouput power measurement was "wrong".

    Fact: You cannot show that I did say that the output power measurement was "wrong".

    Fact: We do not know and cannot know if the output water calorimetry was done properly from the demo, because Rossi did not allow anyone to independently verify that.

    Fact: It is not a "fact", as you mistakenly assert, that the "QX was measured properly with water calorimetry". This is merely your speculation.

    Fact: Whether or not the output power measurement was done properly is irrelevant to whether the QX or SX works, because there was no proper measurement of input power.

    Fact: You often make declarative statements that the SX works while elsewhere stating that you do not know if it works or not.

    Fact: Rossi has a history of intentional deception. One obvious example is when via email he bragged to IH about his "masterpiece" in deceiving Hydrofusion (Rossi vs Darden).

    Fact: If you qualified your declarative statements with "if proven" or "if true" (etc.) your statements would be far more credible.

    Fact: When you get your facts straight, then you will no longer be babbling.


    (I'm not holding my breath on that happening, however).

  • In Stockholm, Rossi did not “miss” measuring the input power properly, he intentionally made a misleading measurement that was complained about in the first Gullstrom paper with QX comments, and for all the months between then and since.

    Rossi wanted to show the characteristics of the QX. H e had two problems. He didn't want to give away the the input waveform he used and the power pack was very inefficient.


    I think he showed the general properties of the QX but I would have preferred a measurement of the total power into the system even if it were misleading about the COP when he got a better power pack.

    I guessing that problem has gone away with the more powerful SK. We will see on Jan 31.

  • I pointed out Jed's typical exaggeration that there had NEVER been a time without regulations


    Since the founding of Roman Empire, there has never been a time in the literate nations of Europe without regulations. Even in the dark ages following the fall of Roman Empire, there were copious regulations covering things like working hours, the purity of beer, the amount of smoke that a forge or fireplace could emit, building codes, building materials specifying the kinds of lumber and rock that should be used for various purposes, and so on. Without such regulations, the cathedrals and other large buildings in Europe would have collapsed centuries ago.


    In America, during the colonial period, in some ways there were more regulations and restrictions than there are now. Not only were there building codes, but there were regulations covering the types of meals that hotels had to serve, and many other things that are not regulated today.


    There were also many laws that would be considered a violation of civil rights today. The state had far more intrusive power over individuals and families in the past. We are now living the golden age of autonomy and personal freedom. See, for example the Massachusetts Bay School Law (1642). Under this law, when parents did not teach their children how to read by age 6, and when they did not discipline children, take them to church, and keep the out of trouble, the state was authorized to take the children away and put them under foster parents. It was up to parents to ensure that children and servants did not become "rude, stubborn & unruly." See:


    http://www.constitution.org/pr…ources/schoollaw1642.html

  • Then I stand corrected. My point remains though, that Rossi could keep this customer/client/partner's identity (if real) secret for years. I guess each of us individually, will have to decide when enough time has elapsed, to write this off as another Doral.

    I hope Doral will become known as

    the place Rossi invented the ECatQX

    and not the test fiasco.

    I also hope after January 31 things

    move fast with the ECat.

  • Sam,


    I think every person here criticizing Rossi, has specifically stated they would love to be wrong. I have no doubt they are being sincere. We shall see what happens. Unfortunately, after the demo -which I think even Adrian holds little hope for clarifying anything, it could be a long time before we know one way, or the other.


    Things do not add up for me for all the already said reasons, so I trend pessimistic. If he, or the client, does not reveal, or self reveal within short order after 31 Jan, I will assume I was right.

  • He does not have a reactor, that can do a full "annihilation" -> mass to energy...

    Nobody has that. Even nuclear bombs only convert a fraction of matter to energy.

    Yes, I know that - and didn’t say otherwise.


    But when the Dottore claims to have a reactor in which a fraction of the fuel-mass gets converted in energy, then he should be able to calculate E=mc2 correctly.

    (1 g mass-defect corresponds to about 25000MWh, not to 25MWh, as Rossi repeadly said)

    What would you say when the designers of nuclear bombs would calculate E=mc2 same as Rossi?

  • Rossi wanted to show the characteristics of the QX. H e had two problems. He didn't want to give away the the input waveform he used and the power pack was very inefficient.


    He gave away the waveform anyways.

    The oscilloscope showed a modulated sine wave pattern. That was the current across the 1 ohm resistor, displayed as a voltage (the voltage drop across the 1 ohm resistor).

    However, the actual voltage pattern would be very similar to the current pattern, since the current flows due to voltage.

    The DC voltage offset displayed on the oscilloscope shows that some current always flows in the same direction, so we know there is a DC voltage bias, and the AC voltage waveform rides on that at more than the half-width of the pure AC voltage amplitude. (Roughly twice the AC voltage amplitude, from memory).

    We know the frequency of the AC component from the oscilloscope trace and the divisions displayed on the screen.


    We know from the laissez faire approach to connecting the oscilloscope probe ground reference (swapped around even) that the control box output is well-isolated or the oscilloscope was (dangerously, yeah I know a bunch of you out there do it all the time, but at a public demo?) floated from earth ground.

    1. Chung January 5, 2019 at 7:15 AM

      Mr Rossi:

      Is there a possibility that the presentation of January 31st will be delayed?

    2. Andrea Rossi January 5, 2019 at 8:46 AM

      Chung:

      No. The presentation of the industrialized Ecat SK will be made on January 31st at 09.00 A.M. Miami Time

      Warm Regards,

      A.R.

    3. Tamekia January 5, 2019 at 7:15 AM

      Who will be present at the presentation in the room where the streaming will be made on January 31st? Will be present third party inspectors?

    4. Andrea Rossi January 5, 2019 at 8:44 AM

      Tamekia:

      Only members of our Team and the IT guys that will make the broadcast will be present.

      Warm Regards,

      A.R.

  • You said the output power measurement was wrong. It wasn't. You were wrong.


    I noted the problem with the input power measurement the day after the demo, noting that the missing measurement was easy to do and any customer would make it..


    It is you who is being dense.


    Any normal customer - yes.


    Any Rossi customer? No.


    Look at the Doral "customer" for the most recent and obvious example...


    And also note that IH went a long time without being sure Rossi was not worth backing, due to those faked Lugano-style tests. Why suppose a customer unwise enough to hook up with Rossi now will be more savvy than IH?

  • Re Jan 31 demo.

    Rossi has stated:


    1. The SK was installed and working on Nov 19

    2. It is producing more than 20 kW

    3. The total input power and heat output will be measured.

    4. The company where it is installed will not be released.


    To which I would add:

    5. The babblers will claim any measurement done by Rossi or made while he is in the same building will be false.

    6. We probably will not get much more from Rossi until production of the SK is high enough that he doesn't have to worry about competition.

  • An awful lot of conjecture and arguing on this topic could be cleared up if we just recognise that 1) there is something to LENR/cold fusion but 2) its very difficult to commercialise so 3) maybe we do need someone like AR to break all the rules and plough on ahead regardless. I certainly respect the progress (even if it is partly fictitious) he has made in promoting LENR and attracting funding by convincing at least some investors that this is not a completely dead subject (as other mainstream physicists would like to have us believe!). You don't have to believe what he is going to demonstrate on 31 Jan is going to be the God's honest truth but I say let's just go along with it, let's give him our support in promoting LENR, then let other big enterprises like IH and BEC follow along in his trailblazing footsteps as they have always done up to now. LENR per se has everything to gain but nothing to lose by supporting good ol' AR!

  • 5. The babblers will claim any measurement done by Rossi or made while he is in the same building will be false.


    But, in this case, you assume contrary historical evidence that a measurement Rossi claims will some time be made made, and no-one else substantiates, is good evidence.


    That is weird.

  • Quote

    The company where it is installed will not be released.

    Just like the fake military customer from November 2011 was never identified. Here we are 7 years and hundreds of lies later and Rossi's advocates are not one bit smarter.


    What better way would there be to sell whatever it is that Rossi currently is claiming he sells than to have a well known company endorse it? None of course. The only possible reason Rossi is not revealing his client is because, as always, there is none.

  • But, in this case, you assume contrary historical evidence that a measurement Rossi claims will some time be made made, and no-one else substantiates, is good evidence.

    Contrary to you, I assume nothing. I take what Rossi says at face value until it is proven or disproven.


    You assume anything he says is always wrong and keep dragging up 30 year old history accusing him of fraud , never mentioning tat he was ultimately aquitted


    That's not weird it's sick..

  • I learned the hard way that never take anything at face value, people can have the best intention, but do unintentionally miss things, and what they say is still wrong.


    As a computer developer I am therefore constantly mistrusting. Not of the person, but of the facts. And this mean that I mistrust myself as well and always test

    and verify code that I produce.


    This would mean that if I designed a revolutionary heat generator I would over measure it, I would not trust good values but try to see if there is a bug behind it

    and most importantly I would document everything carefully. And automate as much tasks as possible in order to get consistency and remove sources of human

    error. (notice that this is what seam to happen in the ATOM ECOLOGY thread)


    It's fine though in stages in the development process to move faster, with less stringency. A good strategy is to set up gates where one verify that the idea

    holds.


    Maybe you can get away not doing that, but my intuition scream to me a big no no many times in this history due to this.


    And then it's that email popping up in the court where Rossi is bragging about lying to hydrofusion.


    So no face value and money from me. But let's hope it's all true, that would be one hell of a fun and good thing.