LENR is occurring in SAFIRE

  • Because it emits muons rather than visible photons? If there were a large body of ultradense hydrogen in outer space only meson decay products (electrons, positrons or neutrinos) would be detectable from this source but would be completely swamped by other eg solar sources. Thus dark matter.

  • A new preprint - perhaps of interest --


    "Element Abundances of Solar Energetic Particles and the Photosphere, the Corona, and the Solar Wind"

    https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.01209


    ABSTRACT: From a turbulent history, the study of abundances of elements in solar energetic particles (SEPs) has grown into an extensive field that probes the solar corona and the physical processes of SEP acceleration and transport. Underlying SEPs are the abundances of the solar corona, which differ from photospheric abundances as a function of the first ionization potentials (FIPs) of the elements. The FIP-dependence of SEPs also differs from that of the solar wind; each has a different magnetic environment where low-FIP ions and high-FIP neutral atoms rise toward the corona. Two major sources generate SEPs: The small "impulsive" SEP events are associated with magnetic reconnection in solar jets that produce 1000-fold enhancements from H to Pb as a function of mass-to-charge ratio A/Q, and also 1000-fold enhancements in 3He/4He produced by resonant wave-particle interactions [....]

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    Thanks to Curbina for finding.


    November 9-10, the Netherlands, Europe:


    The GlobalBEM Conference will feature over 10 notable scientists, industry insiders, and creative thinkers focused on the science and future direction of breakthrough energy solutions. Presentations and discussion panels will cover emerging energy technologies like zero-point, magnetic, hydro, plasma, and cold fusion low-energy nuclear reactions.

    The SAFIRE Project has successfully reverse engineered the atmosphere of the sun in a laboratory on Earth. At the GlobalBEM Conference in the Netherlands, Montgomery Childs and Dr. Michael Clarage will compare two theoretical models of the sun – gravitational and electrical – and present evidence from the most recent SAFIRE experiments relating to energy production, transmutation of elements, and remediation of radioactive materials.

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    Have to say for the sake of clarity that this is a very important event from the popularity of it, as it has had a wide audience in previous versions. In that sense is good for LENR as the issue is going to be more popular, and the high quality of the SAFIRE experiment should help get LENR much more visible.


    That said is good to be aware that the Global BEM is a controversial venue where subjects that are often derided and scoffed by mainstream are openly discussed, including conspiracy and also ET contact and presence in Earth (the host of the event, Susan Manewich, claims lifetime ET contact). This is something that does not bother me at all but is off putting to most people and is good to be warned for not getting side blinded by that kind of statements.

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    That said is good to be aware that the Global BEM is a controversial venue where subjects that are often derided and scoffed by mainstream are openly discussed, including conspiracy and also ET contact and presence in Earth (the host of the event, Susan Manewich, claims lifetime ET contact). This is something that does not bother me at all but is off putting to most people and is good to be warned for not getting side blinded by that kind of statements.


    I have been reading their website, and was thinking the same thing. Global BEM fosters some "far out" hard science along with a big dose of the socical sciences, with a little political activism thrown in for good measure. Their conferences may not be a good venue to introduce what we all here hope is a real, credible science, into?


    However, the Safire team is both science, and business savvy, so they must have weighed the pro vs cons, and felt it was an overall plus attending. They are seeking money to commercialize the 3 LENR effects they observed (transmutation/AHE/Nuclear waste remediation), and as all LENR researchers before them discovered, that is hard to come by through traditional means. Sometimes you have to roll the dice.


    I did see that David Nagel was to present at their 2013 Conference, but backed out.

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    I have been reading their website, and was thinking the same thing. Global BEM fosters some "far out" hard science along with a big dose of the socical sciences, with a little political activism thrown in for good measure. Their conferences may not be a good venue to introduce what we all here hope is a real, credible science, into?


    However, the Safire team is both science, and business savvy, so they must have weighed the pro vs cons, and felt it was an overall plus attending. They are seeking money to commercialize the 3 LENR effects they observed (transmutation/AHE/Nuclear waste remediation), and as all LENR researchers before them discovered, that is hard to come by through traditional means. Sometimes you have to roll the dice.


    I did see that David Nagel was to present at their 2013 Conference, but backed out.

    Judging by the recent interest on divulgation of their results (as the interview with the onehundrednine guy) I think they are looking for widespread popularity of their research. I am a bit puzzled for that, and tend to guess there are some other aspects involved beyond the mere commercial approach. The ties of some of the people involved to classified projects in the past is always intriguing and gives rise to speculation with ease.

  • I'm sure the SAFIRE project will benefit enormously from some extra-terrestrial input (assuming it is higher not less-intelligent to our own human level!) At least ET must know how the sun works!

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    Judging by the recent interest on divulgation of their results (as the interview with the onehundrednine guy) I think they are looking for widespread popularity of their research. I am a bit puzzled for that, and tend to guess there are some other aspects involved beyond the mere commercial approach.


    Considering a government lab replicated their results ("and some other things as well"), I am surprised they need to shop their results around to gain popularity, much less having to go begging for money to commercialize. That seems to be a common story in LENR though.


    If you include BLP in with LENR; the same thing happened with them. The ARA replicated them in 2015-2016 I believe it was, and here they are years later having to show science porn videos to attract attention.

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    Considering a government lab replicated their results ("and some other things as well"), I am surprised they need to shop their results around to gain popularity, much less having to go begging for money to commercialize. That seems to be a common story in LENR though.


    If you include BLP in with LENR; the same thing happened with them. The ARA replicated them in 2015-2016 I believe it was, and here they are years later having to show science porn videos to attract attention.

    I think they have the financing on the pocket, they just need more "popularization".

  • Considering a government lab replicated their results ("and some other things as well"), I am surprised they need to shop their results around to gain popularity, much less having to go begging for money to commercialize. That seems to be a common story in LENR though.


    If you include BLP in with LENR; the same thing happened with them. The ARA replicated them in 2015-2016 I believe it was, and here they are years later having to show science porn videos to attract attention.


    (1) The devil lies in the detail

    (2) govt lab => people. People => mistakes possible


    Note also that "government lab replicated" can mean many things from a high profile commitment of the lab to some new area of investigation with major funding, to one guy with a side hobby doing some personal work.

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    (1) The devil lies in the detail

    (2) govt lab => people. People => mistakes possible


    Note also that "government lab replicated" can mean many things from a high profile commitment of the lab to some new area of investigation with major funding, to one guy with a side hobby doing some personal work.

    We all know you think it’s impossible, and that the only explanation is that the people doing this are fooling themselves, no need to insist on that THH. We are interested in the possibility that they might be right.

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    Donald Scott talking about the Safire Project in this new video. Thunderbolt really running with this, and I can't blame them. Seems to have given the Electric Sun theory as much a needed boost, as it has for LENR.


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  • R. Mills builds his reactor with hydrino theory on mind. In his theory the electrons shouldn't get excited above fundamental quantum state or the energy will be lost by common radiative processes. Mills is thus using very low voltage for to avoid excitation of hydrogen, bellow five volts or so. Instead of this, SAFIRE is using high voltage for plasma ionization.

  • For nuclear fusion, in my weak force based state theory, it doesn't matter if excitation is low energy or high energy. Rather, only that there is light, hydrogen and a shift to lower energy. In SAFIRE it is the turbulence that does the magic. Turbulence is the constant shifting between higher and lower energy densities. The turbulence creates the weak states, the weak states manipulate neutrinos, that manipulation causes relativity to contract space and dilate time for each atom. Relativity also causes an extreme dipole for each atom. Hence, the most affected atoms find each other and become a dense cluster which cluster concentrates energy/mass enough to cause fusion.


    A very small contamination with oxygen has a very profound effect on rates. The stoichiometry of the reaction with oxygen has been data derived with high precision. The finished solution shows that many atoms of hydrogen are fused to oxygen thru a series of elementary steps which leads to fission which produces nitrogen. Given that stoichiometry can't be faked, then Mills is wrong and the derived pathway is a form of highly localized gravity. The key to understanding the sun is nano-flares.

  • I don't think Mills' strategy of using low V makes much difference to hydrino formation since this is catalysed by HOH/Ag/AgO - which is effectively acting like a dehydrogenation Rydberg Matter catalyst similar to Holmlid's KFeO2 or other metallic oxides, I think most of us are now agreed that the hydrino is equivalent to ultra dense hydrogen - an essential first step to form dense hydrogen clusters which reduce inter proton distances to close to 2 pm - some level of hydrino/UDH formation must be occurring in the SAFIRE reactor anyway to account for their LENR / transmutation data. Strategies to boost UDH/hydrino formation by using appropriate catalysts should convert the SAFIRE reactor plasma into a fusion reaction system to generate controllable excess heat and a higher density of transmutations as seen at the anode. Or even more simply, use Norront Fusions new patented -muon generator to pump these fusion catalytic particles into a H/D SAFIRE plasma mix - should work a treat: the rate of fusion reactions could be controlled by varying the -muon influx.

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