Rossi E-Cat SK Demo Discussion

  • this last demo was a real black eye to LENR,

    Rossi is giving a horrible black eye to it

    A black eye? In the Midwest?

    I thought you were way up in the peanut gallery.. or did you drop by in Chicago? for the front seats,


    I was busy trying to figure out if the Mossbauer effect shows how the electron magneton affects the nuclear

    magneton.. lots of references ...but not many relevant to LENR..still looking up arxiv

  • Ah, now I know better what I've seen.

    THX David!


    • David February 1, 2019 at 9:36 AM

      Dear Dr Rossi:

      Congratulations, the presentation of yesterday has been fantastic; many of us have been worried for the evident signs that your hard work has left on your face and voice, but the historical achievement you reached yesterday is so big that most have not understood its implications

      Thank you for your efforts,

      David

  • One fact that I want to highlight and that is troubling me is that Rossi did not see any sign of the QX to ran out of fuel for a whole year. This is exactly

    what you would see in a null device with a faulty measurement of COP. And as an experimenter I would be a bit un-secure if I've not done

    a miss take somewhere.

  • You do not put decent or good scotch "on the rocks." That is an abomination, maybe two or three drops of water, but please no ice.


    I am thinking of buying a bottle of Lagavulin 16yo and I just got a bottle of Glenmorangie Nectar D'or 16yo for my knee surgeon (left knee complete replacement 11 weeks ago, right knee on March 7 -- if the second goes as well as the first, I will get him a bottle of Lagavulin).

    Well, a “rock” actually not rocks.


    I wouldn’t wash the tires on my car with Lagavulin, that is undrinkable.


    Get him a bottle of Macallan 12 Double Cask

  • I forgot to mention that the puppet show and song were actually enjoyable to me. I appreciate any kind of attempt at humor. If this was a real working power source I think this would be a great marketing device. But since the rest of the presentation was a farce it cemented the fact that Rossi is a fraud.

    The market will soon tell us whether

    Rossi is a fraud or not.

  • If that would be the condition, the market has spoken long ago, actually in 2012, where Rossi told everybody he has sold a few MW plants...

    Why different this time, and after this lousy commercial sales presentation for the CEOs and engineers? He cannot fool people anymore ( ECW, you, AA and few others here excluded).

    • David February 1, 2019 at 9:36 AM

      Dear Dr Rossi:

      Congratulations, the presentation of yesterday has been fantastic; many of us have been worried for the evident signs that your hard work has left on your face and voice, but the historical achievement you reached yesterday is so big that most have not understood its implications

      Thank you for your efforts,

      David


    Yes indeed. Thanks David! We need these posts from Rossi sockpuppets to put Rossi's accomplishments in their true perspective. Here is my all-time favourite ...


    March 25, 2018 at 3:26 PM

    Dear Andrea:

    I watched the whole 3 hours video of your convincing demonstration with the Ecat QX at the IVA of Stockholm on November 24th.

    I notice your body language: you appear shy, humble, most of time keeping low your head, while saying things of momentous importance and giving a strong demo in front of one of the highest scientific echelons of the world: this all has been born after more than twenty years of hard work of studies and experiments that made you the undisputed number 1 of the world in this sector.

    What a contrast between what you are and what you are doing and the shy attitude you show.

    Good luck to you and your team for your important job.

    Dawn

  • Come on...is anyone really going to bring a blue container, with a Neutron Detector attached, into their place of business? Is there a consumer product anywhere in the world, being used as a space heater, that comes equipped with a Neutron Detector? What does the brochure say to do if the alarm goes off? Why is it even needed, since it is advertised as having no ionizing radiation?


    Take a step back, really look at what is being proposed, and think this out.

  • Presentation over, now everything back to normal: :)


    1. February 2, 2019 at 8:07 AM

      Dear Andrea,

      I have compiled here the list of questions that I have received since the presentation last week that we were not able to cover during the live event.

      1. About production capacity — how many reactors can you produce per month and how quickly he can double the production of reactors?

      (Remember Tesla’s “production hell”)

      2. I understand that the E-Cat SK module installed as a room heater is probably in the North Central United State. As opposed to the reported outside temperature of around 0 C or 32F, nearly that entire region was reporting numbers like -20 to -30F. Did the SK module, responding to the demands of a thermostat, manage say the day of the presentation?

      3. Has the presentation of Thursday so far generated interest from potential new customers?

      4. What happens with the used fuel? Is a kind of recycling possible?

      5. When will be the first test of the SK with a flow calorimeter (as done in the Stockholm demonstration) ?

      6. Is the blue plasma in the center of the two orange plasma’s a “fireball” with a double layer? If so, are the two orange plasma’s the cathode and anode? If not, please explain what we are seeing.

      7. Is Lithium Aluminum Hydride the only fuel component of the SK?

      8. Is there any ordinary atmosphere in the fuel mixture?

    2. Andrea Rossi February 2, 2019 at 8:55 AM

      First of all, let me remind that the whole presentation video is on youtube and here

      http://www.ecatskdemo.com

      Answers:

      1- we can produce the Ecat SK that we will need

      2- the Ecat SK gives the T that is demanded by means of a thermostat

      3- yes

      4- it is totally recyclable

      5- it is done every day by the Customers. See the video.

      6- I explained in the video all the information that we do not deem confidential. Our clients do not need further technological particulars.

      7- see our US Patent

      8- confidential

      Warm Regards,

      A.R.

  • About heating 42,000 cubic feet. I did the (very simple) calculations for a detached building with dimensions 10m by 30m by 4m,

    I did an even simpler calculation. I looked it up at Lowes and other sites selling HVAC equipment. As I said, you need at least 40 btu per square foot. 3,000 sq. ft. = 120,000 btu heater. This one is 75,000 btu. Not big enough to keep the space warm. That's with 8' ceilings. Higher ceilings would need more than 120,000 btu.

  • Is there a consumer product anywhere in the world, being used as a space heater, that comes equipped with a Neutron Detector?

    Okay, so make it a feature. Your advertisement: "Ours is the only heater on the market that comes with a Neutron Detector, absolutely free!"


    There was a body shop in Atlanta that was often sued by upset customers. The judge finally ruled that if they were going to stay in business, they had to have the county inspector come by every day. They took out a newspaper ad saying, "Ours is the only body shop in Atlanta where every job is certified by DeKalb county!" They soon went out of business, but you have to admire their chutzpah.

  • One fact that I want to highlight and that is troubling me is that Rossi did not see any sign of the QX to ran out of fuel for a whole year. This is exactly

    what you would see in a null device with a faulty measurement of COP. And as an experimenter I would be a bit un-secure if I've not done

    a miss take somewhere.

    At first glance yes. But as an experimenter, if you had a control (non active) fuel to compare to, it would be immediately apparent there was a huge difference with the active fuel. Rossi has been exploring fuel mixtures for years and would be intimately familiar with what works and what doesn't it seems to me.

  • I did an even simpler calculation. I looked it up at Lowes and other sites selling HVAC equipment. As I said, you need at least 40 btu per square foot. 3,000 sq. ft. = 120,000 btu heater. This one is 75,000 btu. Not big enough to keep the space warm. That's with 8' ceilings. Higher ceilings would need more than 120,000 btu.

    That's too simple. One must consider surface area, not volume. But the valid idea behind what you are saying is this: A furnace will have to be able to keep the living conditions inside comfortable. Sixteen degrees C inside is not comfortable. And that is only with 0 C temperatures outside. Recently it has been much colder than that, and a furnace needs to respond to this and provide the capacity for toasty temperatures inside a residential house when it is -20C outside. So yes Lowes' recommendation is correct.

  • Come on...is anyone really going to bring a blue container, with a Neutron Detector attached, into their place of business? Is there a consumer product anywhere in the world, being used as a space heater, that comes equipped with a Neutron Detector? What does the brochure say to do if the alarm goes off? Why is it even needed, since it is advertised as having no ionizing radiation?


    Take a step back, really look at what is being proposed, and think this out.

    Taking a step back, I think the outcome for deciding to attach such a detector is this: You're damned if you do and you're probably more damned if you don't. Such is life.

  • Blue container? For better or for worse, that brings back a memory:



    The new, much smaller blue appears much more manageable. It appears that Rossi has been making great strides in perfecting his product over the years. It also appears (to me) that Doral was just Rossi buying time to develop his Quark X.

  • Not because I don't think the SK technology works (although I have no proof), I'm ashamed and regret that I ever started following the E-Cat technology. For Rossi to have such an astonishing technology and then have a demonstration that's so amateurish which provides nearly zero proof and would likely push away any potential clients is absolutely disgusting. If Rossi is telling us the truth, he holds an amazing technology that could transform our society, but instead of holding a professional presentation he holds a puppet show. This is unacceptable.


    I understand that Rossi has inventors syndrome and wishes to commercialize his technology in a gradual, step by step manner without revealing any of his IP to a larger company which could help him build a huge manufacturing base. However, what he has done is so bad it will actually hinder his efforts to obtain ANY customers. He might as well flush his technology down the toilet. This is an absolute shame, because I believe the technology could indeed change the world. But now I'm virtually certain that it will never see the light of day unless someone replicates. I think the chance of that is low due to how he has now slapped the LENR community in the face by hyping up a presentation that turned out to be a complete and total joke.

  • At first glance yes. But as an experimenter, if you had a control (non active) fuel to compare to, it would be immediately apparent there was a huge difference with the active fuel. Rossi has been exploring fuel mixtures for years and would be intimately familiar with what works and what doesn't it seems to me.

    Normally yes, but then he starts to calculate COP with the help of black body equation for a spectra that does not look like a black body. On the other hand dense hydrogen (like Mills) tend to yield most energy in wavelengths shorter than the 300nm he could capture so I don't know. Of cause the equipment that should be installed at the customer should lead to good proof, on the other hand the last customer did don lead to hard proof for a claimed huge COP. It's wait and see how things pan out. Today I would not recommend to buy an ECAT unless you are curious to see if it works and have the money to spend and would enjoy the excitement of having a nuclear device in the cellar.

  • I read your https://coldfusionnow.org/blog/ twice, and could not tell for certain, what your feelings were on today's SK demo? Maybe that was intentional, maybe not.


    How can you tell anything from a video on the Internet? All we see is pixels. In media ecology they call it the Chip Body - the part of you that lives online. (Seriously!) All this information is coming to us from the Chip Body "in orbit" as Simulation. We are watching the movement of pixels on screens, it does not necessarily translate into anything physical.


    We can only rely on the physical reports of Experts, scientists who have experience and knowledge and actually examine, test and evaluate a technology, and then write a report. (There's only one company doing it like that.)


    I believe Andrea Rossi can make heat, because Sergio Focardi checked him out and said so. I don't believe Sergio Focardi was too old to not know what he was looking at. But is the E-cat ready for a technology rollout? When we have third party confirmation, then we'll know. Or, confirmation from a User would do.


    Till then, it's the "ecstasy of communication" pulling endless speculation from our Chemical Body attention.


    For my part, I am squeezing in another podcast interview next week, and praying for breakthrough so we can all move on with better lives and new energy generators in the basement (or the Energy Generation Closet, or maybe tiny generators in every room, or maybe every device powered by its own built-in generator, speculation.).


    HEY if you want to know where I get this crazy vocabulary it is from Bob Dobbs https://www.reddit.com/r/podca…ined_using_media_ecology/, or, try this fellow Baudrillard (summarized): http://www.yorku.ca/caitlin/futurecinemas/?p=116

    Super hard to understand, but if you ingest just a little, and ponder a while, well, it's very simulating....


    "The threat of media is that we no longer just live in the objective world but now have virtual selves to manage on the global network. The object is no longer fetishized; it is replaced by the thrill of a “potential tactic” or “the game of possibilities” (13)."


    Ruby

  • I understand that Rossi has inventors syndrome and wishes to commercialize his technology in a gradual, step by step manner without revealing any of his IP to a larger company which could help him build a huge manufacturing base.

    What do you mean "I understand"? What is the basis for your understanding? Don't you think it is more likely he has nothing, and he is only scamming people? At least, you should consider this possibility, and acknowledge that it would explain the facts as well as your hypothesis does.

  • “For Rossi to have such an astonishing technology...”


    The only thing astonishing about Rossi’s “technology” is that anyone with at least half a brain believes it is real (although I don’t actually have proof that some of the aforementioned actually have that much grey matter.)

  • Bob Greenyer posted an automatically generated (i.e., using a speech recognition program) transcript of Rossi's recent demonstration. It is tough to read for several reasons, among then the fact that the software cannot distinguish between different speakers and so on.


    I have gone through the transcript and made it more readable (see link below). I have also occasionally inserted time stamps keyed to the audio-enhanced YouTube version of the presentation


    Readable version of SK presentation transcript: Automatic transcript of Jan 31 2019 ECAT-SK.txt

  • Yes Shane - as the saying goes - once a con-artist, always a con-artist! Fortunately (in retrospect), I missed the live action - was on an overseas flight with a broken internet system. This latest installment from Planet Rossi seems particularly dreadful - he has lost his touch along with his flare for the semi-dramatic. Not that we needed any additional data but I did enjoy the latest SP observation that the R'ster lied his way thru the IH years. He was not buying time, we bought his time for a bunch of money and he refused to deliver because there was nothing to delivery besides a pile of algae & rust filled plumbing junk. In a way, I feel sorry for the guy - he is insanely deluded and so worships / craves recognition that he continues to make an ongoing fool of himself and others around him in the sunset of his career. If he has not finished himself off yet - lets hope that he tries to take deposits in the near future.

  • Ruby,


    Sergio Focardi has been dead for over 5 years now. Doesn’t it strike you strange that not another single physicist has ever tested, vetted an/or endorsed the Ecat as an

    Energy Out > Energy In device?

    If the Ecat works as stated, it will be a cure for the cancer of the 21st century and no one is pursuing it but Rossi?


    Don’t you find it highly unusual that Rossi plans on making hundreds of thousands of these nuclear powered, pressure vessel, electric heating devices and does not have UL/CE stamp?


    Isn’t it odd that Rossi has been telling us since 2011 that he has “robotized” factories building Ecats but not one single employee, landlord, delivery driver, building inspector etc, has ever seen them?


    Do you ever consider the possibility that Andrea Rossi has not now and never has had an over unity product and that you may have been hoodwinked by a conman?