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I thought they were on the right path, since a lesson learned?

In many south American countries the rural populations lives far off civilization In such regions you had to distribute ivermectin in advance. The same problem people see in Belize. Many sicks come in late, where they need a higher dose and even this will not help if somebody is already below 85% saturation. Late treatment of course needs some additional medication too.

Further: You can only stop the disease/pandemic if you give ivermectin to all, at the same time, as they did for Zikka too! 6 Weeks ivermectin to all and there is no more COV-19. Cost for USA 400 million $ (drugs only not distribution). A piece of cake compared to what is at stake.

After this you can restart case tracking as some mammals possibly will continue to spread...

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Anti-vaccine protesters temporarily shut down major coronavirus vaccine site at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles

If they still give the Pfizer shot then blocking the center was a good idea. They now should switch to J&J or Moderna.

You can also drink a cup of coffee instead of getting the Pfizer vaccine. This gives you at least some mental health...

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The data showed that, starting at the 14th day, and culminating a full 28 days after the vaccination, recipients were 66% protected against moderate to severe complications from COVID-19, so that even if one were to catch the virus within 28 days of receiving this vaccine, the effects would not be serious, 66% of the time.

I must be missing something. .....Fewer than 66% of the people contracting Covid WITHOUT the vaccine do not have serious cases. This does not make much sense...this would imply the vaccine is basically useless. 34% of the people would still get the virus and have serious cases where people not taking the vaccine would fair just as well? My understanding is that the vaccine does not stop spreading, so the reward vs risk seems null.

What is the point? (Not against vaccines at all, this just seems inreffective)

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34% of the people would still get the virus and have serious cases where people not taking the vaccine would fair just as well?

Not for the J&J vaccine: None of the 44'000 one "shotters" developed a serious illness. Even the one who got CoV-19.

For Pfizer things are more odd. After one shot hundreds still went to a hospital...

Thus wait for more data!

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I must be missing something. .....Fewer than 66% of the people contracting Covid WITHOUT the vaccine do not have serious cases. This does not make much sense...this would imply the vaccine is basically useless. 34% of the people would still get the virus and have serious cases where people not taking the vaccine would fair just as well? My understanding is that the vaccine does not stop spreading, so the reward vs risk seems null.

What is the point? (Not against vaccines at all, this just seems inreffective)

The war on terror according to Brown U cost $6.4T and 830,000 lives and displaced millions. This is a bigger such event.

Is this really hard to understand, when the same actors are talking about this as a war. Occam's principle they are in a war footing to get you into a vaccine program. This is a war which can go on forever. I'm sure the labs are stocked with variations that in the immunocomprimsed can do harm.

Israeli who recovered from COVID-19 reinfected with South African strain

https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

For the first time, an Israeli man who previously recovered from the coronavirus was found Sunday to be reinfected with the so-called South African strain, Hebrew media reported.

The diagnosis came amid continued uncertainty on the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine that Israel is using for its mass inoculation program against the new strains of the virus.

Ziv Yaffe, 57, from the central region of the country, recently returned from Turkey. Speaking to Channel 12 news, he said that whereas during his first infection in August he had “all the symptoms,” the second time around he felt fine.

Yaffe returned to Israel on January 16. By January 23, he had a bit of a runny nose and decided to get a virus test, as he was participating in follow-up research at the Assaf Harofeh Medical Center. The test showed that he was reinfected and further testing revealed that he had caught the South African mutation

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I must be missing something. .....Fewer than 66% of the people contracting Covid WITHOUT the vaccine do not have serious cases. This does not make much sense...this would imply the vaccine is basically useless. 34% of the people would still get the virus and have serious cases where people not taking the vaccine would fair just as well? My understanding is that the vaccine does not stop spreading, so the reward vs risk seems null.

As Wyttenbach said, we'll have to wait for more data. What has been written so far is either so carelessly or carefully crafted that one cannot come to any firm conclusions. For instance there is no mention of a control or placebo group in FM's link! So it would lead one to believe that the 66% figure is absolute instead of relative to a control group, in which case, as you rightly pointed out, it seems meaningless, since we (think we) know that without a vaccine more that 66% of 'infected' people do not develop beyond moderate symptoms anyway!

At this link there is a mention of a control (placebo) group :

https://www.nih.gov/news-event…-3-clinical-data-released

Geographically, the level of protection for the combined endpoints of moderate and severe disease varied: 72% in the United States; 66% in Latin American countries; and 57% in South Africa, 28 days post-vaccination. The investigational vaccine was reportedly 85% effective in preventing severe/critical COVID-19 across all geographical regions. No deaths related to COVID-19 were reported in the vaccine group, while 5 deaths in the placebo group were related to COVID-19. Overall, there were 16 deaths in the placebo group, and 3 deaths in the vaccine group.  

We aren't given the size of the placebo group or the vaccinated group, or any numbers revealing statistical significance. We aren't told what the placebo was. ('Placebo' typically implies an inert substance like saline, but with vaccines 'placebo' can mean almost anything, such as another vaccine or the same vaccine without the antigen.)

In other words we have little idea about how good the J&J vaccine actually is until we get more data.

Quote from Mark U

As Wyttenbach said, we'll have to wait for more data. What has been written so far is either so carelessly or carefully crafted that one cannot come to any firm conclusions. For instance there is no mention of a control or placebo group in FM's link! So it would lead one to believe that the 66% figure is absolute instead of relative to a control group, in which case, as you rightly pointed out, it seems meaningless, since we (think we) know that without a vaccine more that 66% of 'infected' people do not develop beyond moderate symptoms anyway!

At this link there is a mention of a control (placebo) group :

https://www.nih.gov/news-event…-3-clinical-data-released

Geographically, the level of protection for the combined endpoints of moderate and severe disease varied: 72% in the United States; 66% in Latin American countries; and 57% in South Africa, 28 days post-vaccination. The investigational vaccine was reportedly 85% effective in preventing severe/critical COVID-19 across all geographical regions. No deaths related to COVID-19 were reported in the vaccine group, while 5 deaths in the placebo group were related to COVID-19. Overall, there were 16 deaths in the placebo group, and 3 deaths in the vaccine group.  

We aren't given the size of the placebo group or the vaccinated group, or any numbers revealing statistical significance. We aren't told what the placebo was. ('Placebo' typically implies an inert substance like saline, but with vaccines 'placebo' can mean almost anything, such as another vaccine or the same vaccine without the antigen.)

In other words we have little idea about how good the J&J vaccine actually is until we get more data.

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Vitamin D status in Africa is worse than in other continents

https://www.thelancet.com/jour…-109X(19)30492-9/fulltext

Less than Adequate Vitamin D Status and Intake in Latin America and the Caribbean: A Problem of Unknown Magnitude

https://www.researchgate.net/p…blem_of_Unknown_Magnitude

42% Percent of Americans Are Vitamin D Deficient

https://www.cantonmercy.org/he…-are-vitamin-d-deficient/

Quote from Mark U

No deaths related to COVID-19 were reported in the vaccine group, while 5 deaths in the placebo group were related to COVID-19. Overall, there were 16 deaths in the placebo group, and 3 deaths in the vaccine group.

The problem is that with low death numbers you can't get any statistical significance as long as you do not have detailed patient data! Just to remind you. During the first wave with >1000 death we here had no excess mortality at all. The second wave is more pronounced as it came in the low V-D3 phase. So which deaths are now from CoV-19 caused by our famous Wuhan-Fauci virus?

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42% Percent of Americans Are Vitamin D Deficient

The chief general practitioner of USZ (A prof. of Swiss top medical university, member of J mafia as it looks like) coincidentally - this week - complained about to many, to expensive V-D level tests among Swiss. Even more miraculous a (fake-) study is ready - just in time - that shows no health improvement with a 3x > 2000 IU's dose taken over long time.

This is how the world wide bias of a killing mafia works and is deployed among the cattle (people..) .

In the meanwhile still all European journals are not allow to mention the word ivermectin! I regularly make comments on the Swiss TV home news page just to get the verification, that they do block it systematically as also FAZ Germany etc. does.

Good News from Israel.

https://www.theguardian.com/wo…offers-hope-exit-pandemic

Quote from JedRothwell

Here is strange story.

https://www.washingtonpost.com…e-protest-dodger-stadium/

Anti-vaccine protesters temporarily shut down major coronavirus vaccine site at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles

One of the largest vaccination sites in the country briefly shut down Saturday afternoon because maskless, anti-vaccine protesters blocked the entrance, officials said.

For nearly an hour, thousands of motorists in line to get a coronavirus vaccine shot at Dodger Stadium were stalled as about 50 people demonstrating against immunization efforts caused officials to temporarily close the site’s gates, Los Angeles Fire Department spokesman David Ortiz told The Washington Post. The protest had no impact on the number of shots given Saturday at the site, which can vaccinate 8,000 people a day, Ortiz said.

No arrests were made, according to police.

The protesters, members of anti-vaccine and far-right groups, organized online, according to the Los Angeles Times, which first reported about the closure caused by the “SCAMDEMIC PROTEST/MARCH.” . . .

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What blithering idiots,

Why were there no arrests?

Encouraging News,

https://www.sciencedaily.com/r…/2021/01/210121131909.htm

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ivermectin trial restricted to 30 patients by FDA .>" Uncomfortable' with 300.

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uh by the way the ivermectin protocol

we are developing it um we're creating all the kits

obviously all these kits are expensive to to do etc

this is just me and dr barody we have no funding

no nih grants no

you you know it's hard to run clinical trials and write these

protocols to get them through the fda and run them and and apply for nih grants and apply for grants etc so

we've basically just jumped in ourselves

and said let's just see where it goes

and let's just keep the wheels going so

the ivermectin clinical trial is only 30

patients we should be able to get it

uh done fairly fast to get the data quickly to the fda

Not sure if that has been posted already... some folks seem to think about making business, but maybe also a little puzzle stone that helps to bring this up to the authorities....

https://www.news24.com/news24/…icines-worth-r6m-20210131

Quote from zorud

https://www.news24.com/news24/

South Africa has an antiquated ivermectin ban.> One of the few countries where you can't get treated with ivermectin for scabies. Most countries in Africa permit ivermectin, especially those with endemic river blindness

Time to team up and tackle Long Covid, says WHO expert

https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

It is time to start solving the mystery of Long Covid, an aspect of the pandemic blighting millions of lives, the World Health Organization's leader on post-Covid conditions told AFP.

Little is known about why some people, after coming through the acute phase of Covid-19, struggle to recover and suffer ongoing symptoms including tiredness, brain fog, cardiac and neurological disorders.

At this stage of the pandemic, the world is fixated on vaccine roll-out and new, more contagious variants of the coronavirus.

However, Long Covid deserves similar urgent attention, said Janet Diaz, the clinical care lead in the WHO's emergencies programme, ahead of a push for a globally-unified approach to the problem.

"We still don't fully understand what Long Covid is," Diaz told AFP in an interview outside the WHO's headquarters in Geneva.

"There's quite a bit to learn, but I am confident that the scientific community is really rallying around."

Tellingly, Long Covid does not yet have a proper name.

The WHO currently calls it post-Covid condition, while other terms in circulation include post-acute Covid syndrome and Covid long haulers.

You Could Get Infected With COVID in This Brand-New Way, Study Says

https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal…ys/ss-BB1detTD?li=BBnb7Kz

The emergence of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has turned the world upside down in ways we never could have imagined. Even now, a year later, the virus is still changing and continuing to confound and challenge experts. Currently, new strains of the virus have been emerging in different pockets of the globe, with some of the most concerning ones being from the U.K., South Africa, and Brazil. They're around 50 percent more transmissible than the current dominant strain and, in some cases, they're affecting the efficacy of treatments and vaccines. Now, researchers have just discovered another new alarming COVID development: patients are getting infected with two different strains of the virus at the same time. Read on to find out more on the new study's findings and what it means for the future of the pandemic, and for more coronavirus concerns, find out why Moderna's Chief Medical Officer Just Gave This Upsetting Update.

Infectious Disease Expert Warns 'Category 5' COVID-19 Hurricane Is About To Hit

https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Infectious disease expert Michael Osterholm said on Sunday that the nation is facing a “Category 5” storm as the new and more infectious coronavirus variant first detected in the United Kingdom spreads in the United States.

“We are going to see something like we have not seen yet in this country,” he said.

Osterholm told NBC’s Chuck Todd on “Meet The Press” Sunday that Americans shouldn’t be fooled by the falling infection numbers:

“Imagine where we’re at, Chuck, right now: You and I are sitting on this beach where it’s 70 degrees, perfectly blue skies, gentle breeze. But I see that Hurricane 5, Category 5 or higher, 450 miles offshore. And telling people to evacuate in that nice blue sky day is gonna be hard. But I can also tell you that hurricane’s coming.”

Osterholm, who is director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota and who served on President Joe Biden’s COVID-19 advisory board during the transition, called for giving as many people as possible, especially older Americans, a single dose of the two-dose vaccines rather than ensuring everyone receives the full two doses on schedule.

“We can really do a lot to reduce the number of serious illnesses and deaths in this next big surge, which is coming,” said Osterholm.

this screams for early treatment, IVERMECTIN!

Dangerous new coronavirus strains may incubate in COVID-19’s sickest

https://bangordailynews.com/20…ate-in-covid-19s-sickest/

Among the 100 million people around the world who have battled coronavirus infections, scientists are turning to the case of a 45-year-old COVID-19 patient in Boston to understand how the virus is able to outwit humans.

During his 154-day illness — one of the longest on record — the patient’s body became a crucible of riotous viral mutation. He offered the world one of the first sightings of a key mutation in the virus’ spike protein that set off alarm bells when it was later found in strains in the United Kingdom, South Africa and Brazil.

In the U.K. strain, the genetic change known as N501Y is thought to help enhance the virus’ transmissibility by about 50 percent. In the South Africa strain, it may reduce the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines and treatments. Tests of its effect on the Brazil variant are still in progress.

The Boston patient is now being viewed as an important harbinger of the coronavirus’ ability to spin off new and more dangerous versions of itself. Although he died over the summer, the medical file he left behind is helping experts anticipate the emergence of new strains by focusing on the role of a growing population of patients with compromised immune systems who battle the virus for months.

Among the sickest of COVID-19 patients, this population of “long haulers” appears to play a key role in incubating new variants of coronavirus, some of which could change the trajectory of the pandemic.

The mutations that arose from this single patient are “a microcosm of the viral evolution we’re seeing globally,” said Dr. Jonathan Z. Li, an infectious disease specialist at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston who treated him. “He showed us what could happen” when a germ with a knack for genetic shape-shifting stumbles upon conditions that reward it for doing so.

Quote from sam12

Good News from Israel.

https://www.theguardian.com/wo…offers-hope-exit-pandemic

This is how fake news are constructed. "that only 317 out of 715,425, or 0.04%, of people became infected a week"

Israel has a population of 11mio so 30% (so far vaccinated..) is 3.3 mio. Pfizer as usual only selects the data that shows good news. What about the missing 2.6 mio?

In fact worldometer shows no overall effect of the Israel vaccination program what would indicate that the vaccinated behave like normal spreaders and do carry the virus. Unless they do no mass PCR tests among vaccinated people there is no reason to believe anything.

Things will soon get worse again for Israel as the 1.351 version is on site an the vaccine will help to speed up its spread. The Pfizer vaccine gives almost "0" protection for 1.351! and the BRA version.

Only Ivermectin can end the pandemic. Vaccine sellers and doctors currently doing it (vaccination with Pfizer) are criminals as they exactly know that the Pfizer vaccine now has dirt status. They now should use J&J or second best Moderna. But this will not stop the pandemic!!!!

"The Pfizer vaccine gives almost "0" protection for 1.351! and the BRA version."

To be fair - lets get back to this and check in a few months. Israel would be an ideal patient population under the current circumstances (ready with vaccinations by summer, contract with Pfizer and accurate follow up). I am sure, if there will be "faked" news from Pfizer this will be made public or the reality will show the final result.