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  • Not sure, but I do know the QX and SK have the same something, but the SK has a lot more of it. Their something though, is very different from the older Ecat LT/HT's something.

    There may be something to what you say.



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  • Bob,


    Th European LENR science circle believes the older Ecats worked, but are reserving judgement on the QX/SK. Clarification for the new members and guests...Stockholm was Rossi's demonstration of the QX.

    "European LENR circle"? Who exactly is this. Talk about anon!:) Does this consist of Alan, W and Russ?


    I still stand by my statements.

    1) If Rossi had something in the past, it was probably more the work of Focardi or Piantelli. Rossi has shown time and time again his engineering and scientific acumen is quite lacking. Very unlikely he came across the invention of the century. As R. George has been working decades on this and yet has not got a working 20kW reactor, ready for industrialization, robotic factories and many customers! Rossi must be a genius many times over Russ and Alan!


    2) It really does not matter which "model" of eCat they believe in, if they believe they can provide the evidence that their beliefs are based upon. Past or present. I.E. Did they believe Lugano? Why? The 2011 "steam test"? Why. Their repetitive "I have information but cannot tell" is silly after these many years. It is more like "I have my beliefs but will not share them because they are weak reasons".


    3) The "end does not justify the means". Regardless if Rossi had some minor (or major) reaction in the distant past, continued support of a proven lying, deceitful and fraudulent con-man is inexcusable. The "emperor's clothes" cannot cover a multitude of sins. Regardless how badly they wish the eCat to be real. Rossi's character shows he is not going to "save the world", he is going to try and scam as much money as he can. If one truly desires to help the world, then they should expose this as soon as possible!


    4) Reserving judgement? I think not. Alan saw the QX in operation. He saw the setup, the actions, the overall environment. He refuses to give a scientific analysis of it, only saying that it was a "Demo". And yet it is being presented as "convincing" and other remarkable attributes by others and his silence only gives support. What redeeming qualities can the "European Circle" provide, any at all, that warrants continued support for Rossi? His actions these past few years are atrocious. Yet, these actions mean nothing? They must have some real convincing evidence of the "older eCats" to overlook the current deficits! Why cannot they share these so convincing parcels of information to "justify" continued support?


    Some here discredit mainstream science for being closed minded, corrupt and homogenous. Yet this "circle" is willing to overlook fraud and crimes, very bad tests and demos, continued lies and deceptions, no responses to legitimate scientific questions from published test results (Lugano) and a plethora of other deficits. Which is worse? Mainstream or continued support of a known fraudulent con?


    Shane, I think you give them too much leeway on this! :/

  • PforD.

    You have NO hint, let alone proof that a factory is not being built.


    Please follow the thread guidelines and refrain from posting your unsupported negative opinions.


    I am not posting a negative opinion of Rossi. I really don't know if he "has anything" as they have been saying in the other thread. I doubt it but I still have a shred of hope. I am correcting your unsupported and I believe factually incorrect statement that Rossi is building a factory. You cannot have a thread where the accuracy of statements cannot be questioned. This is not fantasy island forum. The assertion of the existence of a factory can be questioned. Although it is difficult to prove a negative, the absence of building permits, no evidence of a partner, the legal troubles in his home state regarding his "engineering" without a permit, the fact that he lied about factories in the past, and the fact that not one person has corroborated this claim, these are all much more than "hints" that there is no factory. Do you have one shred of proof of the existence of this factory? If not your statement of fact can be challenged.

  • I am correcting your unsupported and I believe factually incorrect statement that Rossi is building a factory. You cannot have a thread where the accuracy of statements cannot be questioned. This is not fantasy island forum. The assertion of the existence of a factory can be questioned. Although it is difficult to prove a negative, the absence of building permits, no evidence of a partner, the legal troubles in his home state regarding his "engineering" without a permit,

    You are not "correcting" anything. That you have not seen a building permit means nothing. I doubt you even looked. Rossi is paranoid enough to hide such things. He doesn't want the location to be known.

    Rossi has said he us building a factory and if he isn't it means he has nothing and this whole thread is pointless. You couldn't get more negative than that about Rossi.

  • "That you have not seen a building permit means nothing. I doubt you even looked. Rossi is paranoid enough to hide such things. He doesn't want the location to be known."


    I might point out that the authorities that issue building permits and business licenses do not make them secret because Rossi is paranoid.

  • You are quite right about that. Far from 'mocking' I donated hardware and materials to LION and upgraded a data logger for him. And we have never 'broken off contact' - it's the other way around, we never saw a (long promised) LION fuel tube either. I leave thoughts on 'self aggrandisement' to others.

  • Don't be so dumb. All Rossi has to do is register it under a name you don;t recognize.

    It is against the law to register a business or property under false name. If Rossi owns it, it has to be under his name. I think it is very unlikely he would agree to have someone else own the business, and I am 100% sure no authority would allow him to register a business, corporation or anything else in a false name. They ask to see a driver's license passport or some other ID.

  • It is against the law to register a business or property under false name. If Rossi owns it, it has to be under his name. I think it is very unlikely he would agree to have someone else own the business, and I am 100% sure no authority would allow him to register a business, corporation or anything else in a false name. They ask to see a driver's license passport or some other ID.


    Do you know the name of his wife?

  • It is against the law to register a business or property under false name. If Rossi owns it, it has to be under his name. I think it is very unlikely he would agree to have someone else own the business, and I am 100% sure no authority would allow him to register a business, corporation or anything else in a false name. They ask to see a driver's license passport or some other ID.

    Actually Jed accountants will tell you to use a LLC for tax purposes. Heavy industrial W3 zone with limited restriction beyond zoning regulation like my lot under Cats paw. many use the same name and its unlikely you will find me easily.So yeah it can be done in the US.