MIZUNO REPLICATION AND MATERIALS ONLY

I have not seen Rossi directly say this yet however he did call Mizuno is a "competitor". Of course several Rossiaceans and sock puppets have made ludicrous claims such as Mizuno is a "Rossi clone" or some other utterly stupid comment like that.

Dott. Rossi: a convicted conman, a (longtime) scammer, a guy doing "freaky" demos...

T. Mizuno: a scientist..

Don't mix them up in posts on LF!

SCNR!

Rossi's whiners have another thread dedicated to that .. go and cry !

it isn't because Rossi apparently doesn't have same approach as Mizuno that it's wrong.

GO GO here is a professional thread.

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found this free book (which is around $150 on Amazon) really helpful.

AS, I seem to recall you are in the UK,

you can get one for About $80 via

https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod…?smid=AP3VA1GJZM3EQ&psc=1

Amazon Global Store UK.

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but here is a good page on generating D2 has from D2O:

http://www.fusor.eu/deuterium.html

It looks pretty complicated, requiring lots of plumming, a PEM cell, a compressor, etc.

Is there a simpler solution besides buying D2 gas which is difficult to obtain?

Bookfinder.com can also find copies for £40-50. Some "new" some second hand.

“There can be only one”

(please forgive the Highlander quote)

Regarding the replication of Mizuno’s R20, I understand that Jed and Mizuno (both whom have my greatest respect) wish for this to be replicated. I do too. I feel it is appropriate to prove this technology to mankind.

As I understand the meaning of “replication” in this context, more information will need to be released before replicators can even start.

There are those who have stated that they are doing a replication; however, I question how they will do so. If they are willing to do something similar to R20, I encourage them to do so, and truly wish them the best, but a replication it won’t be.

The list of questions I have are here:

bit.ly/30ob3qa

I will update that page with any further information I receive, with hopes we, the CF community, get enough to do a real replication.

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Hi All,

I've just joined but have been thinking about this situation for a while now.

1st off, as has been said, but no updates yet, that Pd bar looks like it has some fairly idiosyncratic history :- not exactly off-the-shelf, is it.

We need a run down on exactly what it is and where it has been. These experiments are notoriously tricky to replicate, and that bar, focussing on the fact that it is so crucial, isn't helping.

Jed Rothwell reckons that the notching is from the rubbing. Well I don't reckon that. The spacing is way off. What I see, judging by the 5mm diam. is 3 notches on the left with 2 different gaps of around 7mm. On the right are about 7 sections which are rounded, or barrel shaped, like the profile that is rolled onto heat exchanger tubes, but without the spiral. We are dealing with 180 mesh here, and any effect from the limited amount of rubbing it has done would surely be far finer than that, probably noticable only as a bit of polishing or wear on the edge opposite to that strange nodule, which looks suspiciously like a cleverly formed handle. I did wonder how he was gripping a 5 mm rod without using tools that would introduce the likelihood of wiped contamination.

Still on the subject of the totally vital Pd on Ni mesh : I might get a bit of grief from Jed here, ( if I haven't already from the first comment ), and this is only a thought. It probably would take him a fair bit of preparatory work, but as this is all about rubbing a bit of Ni mesh with about 2k currency units worth of Pd rod, would it not be possible for a couple of us to produce rubbed mesh, and for him to test it in his set up first. It would be much more efficient than everyone investing in turbo molecular kit and mass spec or rga. Then, if he gets similar results, we can get our meshes back and invest in the kit, knowing that all we need to do is get the details right and we are sorted. If he doesn't, we need a full on forensic examination of that rod ! Whereas, if people fail now, it will be called a case of bad replication or a one-off that can't, or likely will never, be replicated. If we take this suggested route, it surely offers cover both ways.

Finally, nice find and share by Alan Smith, it's in my SSD, thanks for that!

StevieH I don't usually post too much but that's an excellent idea. I too was concerned about the history of the palladium rod.

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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but here is a good page on generating D2 has from D2O:

http://www.fusor.eu/deuterium.html

It looks pretty complicated, requiring lots of plumming, a PEM cell, a compressor, etc.

Is there a simpler solution besides buying D2 gas which is difficult to obtain?

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the equations are incorrect. They should be:

Generation of Deuterium Gas

Mass D2O = 100 ml * 1.107 g/ml = 110.7 grams

Molar mass D2O = 20.0276 g/mole

Moles D2O = 110.7 g / 20.0276 g/mole =5.53 moles

One mole D2O is equivalent with a volume of 22.4 liter D2O vapour

5.53 Moles equal 5.53 x 22.4 = 123.87 liters of D2O vapour

D2O gas <=> 1 (D2 gas) + 0.5 (O2 gas)

1 mole gas <=> 1.5 mole gas

mole ratio = 1.5

The volume of the elemental gases is: Volume D2O gas x mole ratio = 123.87 liter x 1.5 = 185.8 liter or 123.9 liter D2 gas and 61.9 liter O2

gas are formed by electrolysis.

The average price of 100 ml heavy water 99% is about 120 USD, hence one liter of Deuterium gas (after electrolysis) for amateur fusioneer

use costs about 0.969 USD.

How can we organize ourselves to produce and distribute Deuterium gas?

This would reduce costs and speed replications.

This cooperation could go further. If a member has the tools, skills, and supplies to make some part of the experiment, like the reactor body, then they make them, thereby further honing their skills in that arena, and we all support their efforts by paying for the materials and their skilled labor.

Bartering between members makes sense too.

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How can we organize ourselves to produce and distribute Deuterium gas?

You can't. It is dangerous. You have to buy it from an authorized distributor.

I have not found a suitable heater to be used like in the original R20. Any ideas as to how I should proceed?

My initial report on the Ni mesh preparation:

https://bit.ly/2Mv13HY

This is a "Live Document" and will be updated periodically as the work continues.

AlanG