Covid-19 News

  • Jed, as far as masks, the experts you love to post and quote said in February that masks don't provide any protection from getting the virus only minamal protection for spreading the virus. Both the CDC and the Surgeon General agreed. Then the media turned that narrative upside down and politicians begin mask mandates both the CDC and the Surgeon General caved to media and political pressure. I wear a mask going shopping I did before it was even a subject but as far as protection I have little faith just don't want to run into a Karen!


    The science on how much masks reduce airborne and surface contamination transmission has been very uncertain. There is a good chance that masks significantly reduce this - and yes they protect others much more than the mask wearer. Which means everyone should wear masks, not just those at high risk.


    Then there are all the other factors - which have dominated the debate in the past:

    • At the start most of the West has not enough masks and therefore it was policy to tell people not to wear masks so there would be PPE for medical workers. Even then we did not have enough PPE.
    • Then the behavioural guys could not work out whether mask-wearing changes behaviour in good or bad ways. E.g. does it remind people not to touch face, and social distance, or does it make people over-confident.


    I'm still not sure we know these things. But whichever way you go it matters. even a 10% difference in transmission is a big deal. Maybe as Stefan says other things are much more important, but everything helps.


    There is a strong chance that mask wearing indoors, or with non-socially-distanced crowds out of doors reduces air/surface contamination a lot - and therefore is important.


    My POV, you get the best scientific evidence you can and on that basis wear or don't wear - it matters even though it will not be certain.


    Here is a decent regularly revised review of the evidence.


    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v1


    The science around the use of masks by the general public to impede COVID-19 transmission is advancing rapidly. Policymakers need guidance on how masks should be used by the general population to combat the COVID-19 pandemic. Here, we synthesize the relevant literature to inform multiple areas: 1) transmission characteristics of COVID-19, 2) filtering characteristics and efficacy of masks, 3) estimated population impacts of widespread community mask use, and 4) sociological considerations for policies concerning mask-wearing. A primary route of transmission of COVID-19 is likely via small respiratory droplets, and is known to be transmissible from presymptomatic and asymptomatic individuals. Reducing disease spread requires two things: first, limit contacts of infected individuals via physical distancing and contact tracing with appropriate quarantine, and second, reduce the transmission probability per contact by wearing masks in public, among other measures. The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces the transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected droplets in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at stopping spread of the virus when compliance is high. The decreased transmissibility could substantially reduce the death toll and economic impact while the cost of the intervention is low. Thus we recommend the adoption of public cloth mask wearing, as an effective form of source control, in conjunction with existing hygiene, distancing, and contact tracing strategies. We recommend that public officials and governments strongly encourage the use of widespread face masks in public, including the use of appropriate regulation.

  • My POV, you get the best scientific evidence you can and on that basis wear or don't wear - it matters even though it will not be certain.


    No, there must be an RCT!

    Observational evidence does not count as people on the front lines do not know how to do statistics and are misled by too many other variables they do not account for!


    (Sorry! I could not resist! :evil: )

  • Most Americans are wearing cloth masks most single layer some double half of those wearing masks have their nose hanging out. When not wearing most throw it on a table ready for it's next use particles lett to spread. I hear everything you say but I'm looking at both sides of the coin.

  • Most Americans are wearing cloth masks most single layer some double half of those wearing masks have their nose hanging out.

    Cloth masks do not work at all as an investigation did show. The reduction in virus load was low.

    It is more important to keep distance, work from home, good hygiene, keep out of social events if in risk group etc then having a mask.


    Good (surgical ) masks reduce the load from droplets by a factor of 3. But all masks produce a high load of aerosols what
    bad for indoor places.

    You can look fort the latest German papers to read about aerosols.

    German doctors told today that most current cases are asymptomatic. So no more real threat to die.

  • @JED: Now you behave troll like: Cloth masks ar not equal face masks.


    I did not say they equal face masks. I said they are effective. That is what the data shows. LOOK AT THE GRAPH. They are somewhat less effective then paper surgical masks, but much better than nothing.


    Your statement is a straw man logical fallacy: putting words in my mouth. Claiming my argument was something it was not. It seems just about everything you say is a logical fallacy or flat out false!


    Also, that is not me. I didn't say that. Experts from these places said it. Who the hell do you think you are contradicting them, and saying they are trolls?

    1. Department of Psychology & Neuroscience, Duke University, Durham, NC 27708, USA.
    2. Department of Chemistry, Duke University, Durham, NC 27708, USA.
    3. Department of Physics, Duke University, Durham, NC 27708, USA.
    4. Department of Radiology, Duke University School of Medicine, Durham, NC 27710, USA.
    5. Department of Biomedical Engineering, Duke University, Durham, NC 27708, USA.
    6. Department of Medicine, Duke University School of Medicine, Durham, NC 27708, USA.
  • Researchers Propose Use of N-acetylcysteine as Prophylactic and Treatment for COVID-19;

    Memorial Sloan-Kettering Recruiting Now to See if it Works

    https://www.trialsitenews.com/…g-now-to-see-if-it-works/


    Rationale for the use of N‐acetylcysteine in both prevention and adjuvant therapy of COVID‐19

    https://faseb.onlinelibrary.wi…/doi/10.1096/fj.202001807


    N-acetylcysteine as a potential treatment for novel coronavirus disease 2019

    https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/10.2217/fmb-2020-0074


    Propolis and its potential against SARS-CoV-2 infection mechanisms and COVID-19 disease

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/…cle/pii/S0753332220308155


    Some evidence that COVID-19 is weakening --

    Evolving Virulence? Decreasing COVID-19 Complications among

    Massachusetts Healthcare Workers: A Cohort Study

    https://www.medrxiv.org/conten…08.17.20176636v1.full.pdf


    Peak Prosperity's latest video --

    Good News! Up To 50% Of Us May Be 'Pre-Immune' To Covid-19 (+ HCQ remarks)

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    Some items frome Daily Mail --


    Is herd immunity closer than scientists first thought?

    Experts now believe pockets of New York and London could be immune from Covid-19

    and as few as 10% of people may need to be infected

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8638685


    New COVID-19 cases in US drop for a fourth straight week after the Sunbelt spike

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8639397


    Coronavirus deaths fall to ANOTHER low: Flu and pneumonia are now killing SIX TIMES

    more people - as daily infections keep dropping too

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8639223


    New mutation of the coronavirus 'may be a GOOD thing': Strain common in Europe,

    America and parts of Asia is more infectious but less deadly, expert claims

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8637821


    Children could be up to 20 times more likely to catch Covid-19 at home than they are at school

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8638369

  • D614G strain is much more contagious but less lethal

    https://timesofindia.indiatime…t/photostory/77609606.cms


    "D614G mutation is 10 times more infectious:"

    "Malaysian authorities made a startling revelation yesterday about a 10 times more infectious strain of coronavirus traced back to South Asian countries, the 'D614G' coronavirus strain."


    It may be the reason the death rate is starting to decrease.


    It may also be the reason that Asian countries had lower death rates.

  • The lag is partially due to reporting delays. Some of the recorded daily deaths, are 1 month old.


    Yeah. But in this case, the surge in cases began June 22, and the deaths began to rise July 10. About 20 days later. The surge in cases plateaued and began to fall July 16, but the deaths plateaued August 3 and has remained level. The fall seems to take longer than the rise. Maybe it means people take longer to die. Not 2 or 3 weeks, as reported earlier. That could be good news. Perhaps it means case mortality is going down and they only lose a few patients after weeks of effort to save them.


    Without more detailed data I can only speculate, which does not do any good. Anyway, the ratios are not simple.

    • Official Post

    Children could be up to 20 times more likely to catch Covid-19 at home than they are at school

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8638369


    A double whammy then for the kids having to stay home for their remote schooling. Not only will they increase their chances of getting sick, but they may lose out on their education. The new school year just started, and I am already getting feedback from friends and family that the online schooling is shaping up to be a disaster.


    Not only for the kids, but parents also. Especially the younger students, who need one parent present to help them with their online assignments, and keep them focused. Many parents nowadays simply will not go through the trouble, have to work, are not schooled themselves. or have forgotten what they learned. That leaves many children lost, who simply decide to tune out, or go outside and play.


    The wealthy families are generally more educated and can help their child, or if not can hire a tutor, so their kids won't fall behind...except for whatever impact social isolation does to them. Kids from poor families won't be so lucky. Many will miss a year of learning, and never recover it. The rich/poor gap will grow ever wider as a result.


    Just another example of how the cure can be worse than the disease.

  • The wealthy families are generally more educated and can help their child,

    Paul.. who runs a small charity aimed at a dumpsite slum in Manila

    told me last night that the kids there can't study because the schools are going online,

    luckily the govt has extended the holiday for 5 weeks to enable the school teachers to arrange online lessons

    a revolution.

    So he doesn't have to send emergency iphones.. the laptops will arrive by sea in time for the the brave new school

    https://www.facebook.com/povertynomore.ph

    https://povertynomore.co/

  • I have no idea whether HCQ works or not. I have not read the technical literature. However, in this discussion you are talking about vaccines. You claim they do not work. That is an outrageous lie. It is a dangerous, evil lie, that will kill millions of people if it becomes widespread. It resembles the lie that having sex with a virgin will cure AIDS. Since you apparently believe this lie, I assume you have no common sense, no scientific knowledge, and no knowledge of history, public health or statistics. So -- even though I know nothing about the HCQ controversy -- you are the last person on earth I would trust about HCQ, or take advice from. You are probably the kind of idiot who would advise me to ingest disinfectants, the way Trump did. I would not trust your judgement about this or any other subject.


    In short, when you post messages claiming that vaccines do not work, and they are more dangerous than the diseases they prevent, you destroy your own credibility. Everything else you say here, about all other subjects, should go straight into the garbage can. You prove you are a dangerous, ignorant fool. In a pandemic you are a candidate for the Darwin Award (for suicide by stupidity), like the people who refuse to wear masks.


    I think the admins have some special place in their heart for you. I have opened up whats going on under the hood on vaccines, and you are cranking out slander.

    As for what vaccines do, they do a lot of things - so arguing for or against an intervention wily nily is asinine and not science but cheerleading.

    You may feel 100% certain in your position, but it does not mean you 100% right and the questions are 100% decided.

    The industry and science has a lot of growing up to do. Take a hint.

  • It is starting. An information war unlike anything ever seen. Today on the CBC I heard all sorts of odd talk about conspiracies and viruses. It was jarring in a "this is how it must sound in Russia in the 1960s or North Korea today."


    Here is why. Watch Part 2.

    https://www.peepstv.org/


    Around 14min in it will reveal the idiocy of the people who rely on fact-checkers, and some of you will be reminded how board members got all up in arms for defamation of the name of the fact checkers. I really wonder, how anyone could live with themselves for creating fear, uncertainty and doubt about everything. There are many many open questions, and nobody is claiming answers to all of them but it is time to question the entire structure.

  • Sigh . . . You are a font of misinformation. No, that is not what investigations have shown. See, for example:


    Low-cost measurement of facemask efficacy for filtering expelled droplets during speech


    https://advances.sciencemag.or…2020/08/07/sciadv.abd3083


    Jed should full well know that this 'low-cost' measurement had to do with droplets, not aerosols.

    Droplets are generally more than 5 micrometers, and aerosols less. Most of the particulates we breathe out are the smaller aerosols.

    As Wyttenbach has said, surgical masks are not much good for aerosols. (A well fitted N95 mask is good though).


    From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7293495/

    "Unresolved dichotomy on the route of transmission by virus-laden droplets and aerosols suggested that the use of respirators for healthcare workers against SARS was much advisable than conventional surgical masks that were ineffective against aerosols (Garner, 1996; Wenzel and Edmond, 2003)."

  • Here is an article about excess death in UK 65000 dead more than normal. What? According to wordometer UK has 40000 corona covid deaths indicating 20 000 due to other reasons like

    suicide, not looking for medical help when needed etc. Now this is 50% extra and very high. But this is not all. If you consider that those death is probably a larger loss in life-years as normally a 90 year old with severe conditions that get's corona don't have a long life expectancy from the beginning. Countrary to this Sweden's covid cases and excess deaths are spot on. Now we could suspect that the difference is the hard-lockdown UK did and the soft one Sweden did but there is probably other reasons as well. But what about other countries, we have data about excess death in many countries And we see that many countries doing a lock down had a lot of excess deaths more than covid deaths but not all. At least we can conclude two things, covid deaths does really not do justice to the severity of the problem, we should do a proper estimate using lost years in stead.

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