his is obviously THH's anti vaxx definition. No being 100% for killing healthy children that have 0 risk too.
To address healthy children have 0 risk:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.07.21259779v1.full.pdf#page=8
Looking at COVID deaths vs no of comorbidites in this reference group of CYP (< 18 years) deaths, we have 6 with no co-morbidities out of a total 25 deaths. Last time I looked, 6 is not the same as zero?
Which vaccine, if I may ask?
I will not take any CoV-19 vaccine because I'm not at risk and have the treatment drugs ready. Further I already had at least one contact. But the first hope is Novavax and even better ones will come may be far to late.
But the real problem we will face soon is how can we help the gen therapy victims? One year of ACE-2 signaling suppression with " locks= antibodies" will promote completely new picture for chronic diseases. I'm pretty pessimistic for people that take a booster based on the spike.
CH death rate is now below 0.1% for unvaccinated of course...
We would expect unvaccinated to have 0.1% COVID mortality for an age of around 50.
Since anyone older than 50 (like you) is much less likely to be unvaccinated it seems likely that statistic does not indicate that delta is less lethal than original COVID.
Like most of the numbers you post, without context, it tells us nothing. In this case the required context is the infection rate amongst unvaccinated of different ages.
One interesting statistic, Ch had a relatively very low infection rate during first wave amongst older people. Presumably, unlike many other places, they had the good sense not to allow COVID to spread too much in old people's homes, or perhaps have a smaller proportion of older people in such places, or maybe some entirely demographic difference I'm not aware of.
I've not noticed you remarking this in your ,many posts comparing Ch and other countries...
THH
You are silly child - I'm fully vaccinated. But I can forgive you as you are one of the most untalented spin doctors
I will not take any CoV-19 vaccine because I'm not at risk
Somone else can reconcile these two statements, I hope?
But the first hope is Novavax
Novavax is a sub-unit vaccine. Why do you think it does not suffer the same over-specificity of the mRNA vaccines?
I'm not saying it is a bad vaccine - it looks excellent. But so do the mRNA vaccines. Especially when a 3rd dose will likely boost immunity enormously in those for whom it was low in the first two doses...
https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/2021-07/Delta_Variant_Study_Press_Statement_Final_7.8.21.pdf
In addition, data from a recent Nature paper demonstrate that immune sera obtained shortly after dose 2 of the primary two dose series of
BNT162b2 have strong neutralization titers against the Delta variant (B.1.617.2 lineage) in laboratory tests.
The companies anticipate that a third dose will boost those antibody titers even higher, similar to how the
third dose performs for the Beta variant (B.1.351). Pfizer and BioNTech are conducting preclinical and
clinical tests to confirm this hypothesis.
While Pfizer and BioNTech believe a third dose of BNT162b2 has the potential to preserve the highest
levels of protective efficacy against all currently known variants including Delta, the companies are
remaining vigilant and are developing an updated version of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine that
targets the full spike protein of the Delta variant. The first batch of the mRNA for the trial has already been
manufactured. The Companies anticipate the clinical studies to begin in August, subject to regulatory
approvals.
Well, if they test positive for COVID, surely that means they have COVID? A COVID test would not accidentally come out positive because the patient has RSV, would it?
Perhaps you -- or the author -- means they got COVID from the hospital? Nosocomial infections. That is what the author seems to be saying: "Now, it doesn’t take a genius to realize that a large number of kids who come to the hospital for RSV in the South will wind up getting COVID in the hospital." I wouldn't know about that, but I think the author should check to see how many other patients are getting nosocomial COVID, and how many RSV pediatric patients have been in hospitals with no COVID patients. There have not been many pediatric COVID cases until recently.
Yes, of course if they test positive they have COVID. Most kids who test for COVID though are asymptomatic. Many, if not most, of the kids in the hospital are there because they are sick from RSV, then test positive for COVID. So were you a reporter, how would you describe this? Another example of how bad the COVID epidemic is, or something altogether different? Most from what I read, are reporting it as proof COVID has finally hit children hard, where before they were spared.
The author did say these children may be getting COVID from the hospital. That does not make sense to me. I do not agree with all he says. He could have left that out, and done himself a favor. As it is, he distracted from his good investigative reporting.
I would like to know, as does he, if this is another "fear porn" news cycle. Are all these kids being hospitalized because of RSV, or COVID? It is very plausible this is nothing more than a bad RSV season, as UK children have not been impacted by the Delta variant like US children...yet.
Also, it is a fact hospitals get paid much more for a COVID patient, than one with RSV. So there is a financial incentive for them to go along with this COVID narrative, as it was to go along with the PCR cycle threshold controversy last year. Like the old saying goes "follow the money".
and some getting the third Pfizer
" Based on the current infection coefficient, within a week there will be 1,200 patients hospitalized,
half of them in serious condition; the following week this number will double,
with 2,400 hospitalized and 1,200 seriously ill, and by September 10 we will see numbers we’ve never seen before "
QuoteSomone else can reconcile these two statements, I hope?
He won't get CoV-19 vaccine, because he is already fully vaccinated and protected. I can see no problem in logics here.
we have 6 with no co-morbidities out of a total 25 deaths
Full citation:
Six CYP who died of SARS-CoV-2 had no evidence of an underlying health condition. This contrasts with other studies which have only reported deaths in CYP who have comorbidity.6,25 It is possible, due to the hospital data only being available for the last five years, that some CYP may have had a comorbidity that was not identified in this linkage. It is also possible that CYP in our study had an undiagnosed genetic predisposition to severe disease with SARS-CoV-2 infection.26
While Pfizer and BioNTech believe a third dose of BNT162b2 has the potential to preserve the highest
levels of protective efficacy against all currently known variants including Delta,
This is a marketing lie. Pfizer did go for the 1.351 virus in the booster -- cricket brains....
The infection coefficient remains high in Israel despite high vaccination rate
The graphic nicely shows that the few vaccinated among age <40 (very high for kids age 16..19) have more CoV-19 cases than the unvaccinated. This is expected from Pfizer crap inducing immune insufficiency.
The infection coefficient remains high in Israel despite high vaccination rate
Edit : from 2nd link https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
Interesting that 40-60% of 60-and-over are triple vaxed.
Curious that the rates for partially-vaxed are greater then for fully-vaxed in several age-ranges,
Bob Greenyer posted this on ECW.
If anyone who finds themselves being coerced or duped into giving permission to someone to take these proven to be useless jabs, and they know someone with a microscope, can they get a series of before and after blood smear images, over the past several months there have been a growing number of independent doctors and more ordinary citizens that are recording huge damage to red blood cells due to various incarnations of these jabs - showing whole sale cell structural changes, clot formation and macro-phage consumption of damaged cells. It would be also interesting to see if there is any recovery and over what period after each injection.
https://maryrefugeofsouls.c...
https://stopwrongfulconvict...
Certainly explains why people are recommended to do no strenuous activities after giving permission to be experimented on, here in Czech they recommend doing nothing much for 2 weeks.
It also explains why the most educated, such as those with Phds are avoiding the shots.
rates for partially-vaxed are greater then for fully-vaxed
I think there are a lot more fully vaccinated than partially.... the per 100,000 ..is not defined
I think there are a lot more fully vaccinated than partially.... the per 100,000 ..is not defined
Nope .. that chart "Active patients - age and immunization" lets you select rate or absolute numbers. The second pull-down lets you select active/serious - the latter is as expected.
- the latter is as expected.
Thanks.. its a bit confusing ..I think the per 100K means per 100K of the general population
rather than for example "per 100K of the partially vaccinated.."
However the rising absolute numbers may be a warning. about Pfizer
Its Biblical to look at Israel.. To the Jew first...
Somone else can reconcile these two statements, I hope?
Schrodinger’s Wyttenfact.
And whilst we’re on the topic of irreconcilable statements, how about these:
I'm anti RNA gen therapy that is a known experimental cancer patient killer...
But honestly I start to hope that all idiots start to kill themselves with this gen therapy
but then he’s pleased that:
So [my children] had Moderna.
Re. Bob Greenyer’s latest nuttiness…
Re. Bob Greenyer’s latest nuttiness…
This explains a lot about your thinking. You follow B.G:! strange I never read his posts...
Did you see the Pfizer RNA gen therapy induced CoV-19 cases among younger 10..29 in Israel. Factors more vaccinated young in hospital compared to unvaccinated...
Can you tell me when you are through with comparing 311 with 60? that explains the following?
Certainly explains why people are recommended to do no strenuous activities after giving permission to be experimented on, here in Czech they recommend doing nothing much for 2 weeks.
This is absolutely correct: After the Pfizer gen therapy you should isolate for 2 weeks. This is also what I did recommend some friends to avoid the Israel early death row for Pfizer gen therapy victims.
so much for fact checkers!
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Story continues
Edit : from 2nd link https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
Interesting that 40-60% of 60-and-over are triple vaxed.
Curious that the rates for partially-vaxed are greater then for fully-vaxed in several age-ranges,
Nope .. that chart "Active patients - age and immunization" lets you select rate or absolute numbers. The second pull-down lets you select active/serious - the latter is as expected.
Display MoreThanks.. its a bit confusing ..I think the per 100K means per 100K of the general population
rather than for example "per 100K of the partially vaccinated.."
However the rising absolute numbers may be a warning. about Pfizer
Its Biblical to look at Israel.. To the Jew first...
Thank you Alan for bringing this dashboard to our attention - it has a lot of useful info in it. As you and RB have noted it needs a bit of decoding for the per 100K figures to work out what they mean - are they per 100K of selected group, or per 100K of population. But selecting absolute figures allows this to be decoded.
So we I guess can all see that for this cohort vaccination provides the expected very good but not perfect protection.
What I wanted to understand is why R0 in Israel is 1.4 when R0 in UK is 1.0. Israel has more complete vaccination of its population in terms of %age of older age ranged vaccinated.
Israel has been bugging me because its stats don't seem quite in line with otehr countries - though comparing cross-country is really difficult.
For example I was thinking Israel might suffer from reverse-seasonal effect - where when it is very hot outside everyone has to meet inside with air con - so Summer becomes like Winter.
But I have noticed a big difference - should have realised - that skews things:
You can see that Israel (median age 29) has very different population structure from UK (median age 49).
That means that without vaccination Israel will do better - there are fewer old people to kill. So the overall effect of vaccination on death rates will be lower than for a more developed population like the UK or US, even though in absolute terms death rates will be good.
But there is another consequence. Younger age bands everywhere have lower vaccination rates. In Israel there are a lot of young people, so a large reservoir of unvaccinated driving that R0 number up.
Even though we think of Israel as very well protected by vaccine - and it is for people at risk - it is not so well well protected at population level:
5411K vaccinated (double or triple - since single does not help with delta)
9053 population
59% vaccinated, 41% unvaccinated (all ages)
for England (I've been taking figures from there - other nations are a bit different):
56,000K population
33,500 double vaccinated
60% vaccinated, 40% unvaccinated (all ages)
So Israel quite well vaccinated, like the UK, but not great.
Other demographics - I'd guess those big families - probably also multi-generational families - increase spread.
I know people here may think I'm dismissive of these inter-country epidemiological comparisons because so many have been posted claiming ivermectin is good /vaccines are bad/ etc that I have had little time for,
It is not that - it is that there is so much work in just sorting out the basic demographics. And then other things like housing structure, mobility all affect R0.
In addition most of those places W liked to post (e.g. UP) are very underdeveloped and the official statistics are either missing or known to be very highly innacurate. That makes saying anything about those countries difficult.
One thing I experience on this site is how easy it is to be swayed by anti-vax - or anti-vax-lite propaganda. I believe much of this stuff that is posted, think "hmmm - that sounds odd - i wonder why" and it takes me so much time to begin to make sense of things.
It is true that the CDC etc statements are pretty full of spin. So why do I see the anti-vax-lite spin as so much worse?
So public messaging that is fair, and leaves most people with a correct idea of risks, will maybe not be scientifically complete or accurate. I'm glad I don't have to do this stuff - I'd not like it and it is such a big responsibility. Any tiny bit of lack of clarity and (rightly) the press jumps on you.
so much for fact checkers!
You mean because they won't tolerate plagiarism?
Must be unique amongst most online stuff in having that ethos!
