Deuterium Energetics Limited

  • Seldon spun off a new corporation, C3L. All activity past the initial discovery was done under the color of C3L. Seldon's business was strictly water purification, and C3L's business was strictly development of energy-related products. It can get confusing.

  • jfloan173 , thanks for that summary of the company’s story.


    I have followed some battles against the USPTO and any Patent office for that matter when the Claims go against accepted physics, and in this field the success has been modest. I don’t mean to be negative, but you if you eventually arrive to a final rejection, What is the backup plan?

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.

  • US42857025 METHODS OF GENERATING ENERGETIC PARTICLES USING NANOTUBES AND ARTICLES THEREOF USPTO

    Appeal etc detour - interesting reading

  • I found this examiner's arguments antagonistic and facile.

    Where are the neutrons? It's only fusion if there are neutrons. He says.

    There are only neutrons if the samples are externally stimulated, something we were avoiding.

    Calorimetry? It is not a cold fusion experiment using an electrolyte.

    I was then damned for not telling them what the electrolyte was.

    Very antagonistic and close-minded.

    I can hardly read this examiners comments. I let the attorney's deal with it.

  • jfloan173 Thanks very much for your summary, much appreciated.
    Can you tell whether the current focus is on gas (D2/H2) or on liquid (D2O/H2O) implementations?

    Gas phase only now. The D2O phase was as much me being cautious and it being simpler to start with. I hoped that D2O would be a rate limiter. It was. After getting more attuned to the reaction's characteristics, we only use D2 now. D2O is still useful for anyone wanting to 'do this at home' as it were. Just make sure the mass of cnts is around 1mg. Expect to do it a few times before finding some cnts that are active, and even then just a few. Assume all commercial cnts come pre-contaminated with H. We don't do it that way any more.


    Just a quick mention regarding H2O. I did what I had expected to be a 'no emission by design' experiment, a set of ten. Just tap water and less than 1mg of cnts each. Two were emitting. I was shocked, until I remembered all 'tap water' and pond water and the like has HDO as well as D2O. Try it yourselves.

  • Gas phase only now. The D2O phase was as much me being cautious and it being simpler to start with. I hoped that D2O would be a rate limiter. It was. After getting more attuned to the reaction's characteristics, we only use D2 now. D2O is still useful for anyone wanting to 'do this at home' as it were. Just make sure the mass of cnts is around 1mg. Expect to do it a few times before finding some cnts that are active, and even then just a few. Assume all commercial cnts come pre-contaminated with H. We don't do it that way any more.


    Just a quick mention regarding H2O. I did what I had expected to be a 'no emission by design' experiment, a set of ten. Just tap water and less than 1mg of cnts each. Two were emitting. I was shocked, until I remembered all 'tap water' and pond water and the like has HDO as well as D2O. Try it yourselves.

    I was expecting you currently do 'gas only'. There is an increased number of positive phenomena that use Deuterium gas + catalyst(s) reported from many initiatives in the last few years.

    I would not recommend any 'DYI home experiments' without understanding what high energy particles can be released and without having professional detection equipment and shielding present.

  • There are many unresearched things about CNT's


    Very recent research shows how a microwave oven + FeAl oxides can make CNT's plus hydrogen from plastic waste

    Environmental remediation and restoration will prove to be one of the fastest growing industries with the advent of LENR energy. Thanks, I've filed this.

    Yes, CNT research is as cutting edge as Metamaterial Science gets; as well as is popular 'cold fusion" i.e. well advanced condensed matter nuclear science.

    I read a lot of abstracts on CNT's, Low Energy Nuclear Physics, Nano Physics, and Plasmonics. Many have led me to LENR patents and research groups. Citations are just beginning to cross.


    Nano Physics wasn't taught in school when most experienced "nuclear industry" scientists went attended. They should be required to go back to school regularly like pharmacists do just to keep up on it all (remain an expert on Nano Atomic, Atomic, and Sub Atomic breakthroughs) Nuclear Science isn't enough anymore.


    "Nuclear Dipole Response in the Finite-Temperature Relativistic Time Blocking Approximation"

    Wibowo, Herlik; Litvinova, Elena Published: 05 Aug 2019

    https://journals.aps.org/prc/a….1103/PhysRevC.100.024307

    Abstract

    The radiative neutron capture reaction rates of the r-process nucleosynthesis are immensely affected by the microscopic structure of the low-energy spectra of compound nuclei. The relativistic (quasiparticle) time blocking approximation (R(Q)TBA) has successfully provided a good description of the low-energy strength, in particular, the strength associated with pygmy dipole resonance, describing transitions from and to the nuclear ground state. The finite-temperature generalization of this method is designed for thermally excited compound nuclei and has the potential to enrich the fine structure of the dipole strength, especially in the low-energy region. The finite-temperature RTBA equations are derived using the Matsubara Green's function formalism. We show that with the help of a temperature-dependent projection operator on the subspace of the imaginary time it is possible to reduce the Bethe-Salpeter equation for the nuclear response function to a single frequency variable equation also at finite temperatures. The approach is implemented self-consistently in the framework of quantum hadrodynamics and keeps the ability of connecting the high-energy scale of heavy mesons and the low-energy domain of nuclear medium polarization effects in a parameter-free way. The presented calculations of the dipole response within a self-consistent relativistic framework reveal that, although the Landau damping plays the leading role in the temperature evolution of the strength distribution, (i) at moderate temperatures the PVC effects remain almost as strong as at $T=0$ and (ii) at high temperatures they are tremendously reinforced because of the formation of the new collective low-energy modes. In the dipole channel, the latter effect is responsible for the "disappearance" of the high-frequency GDR or, in other words, brings the GDR to the low-energy domain.


    "Benchmark Experiment on Copper with Graphite by Using DT Neutrons at JAEA/FNS"

    Saerom Kwon, Masayuki Ohta, Satoshi Sato, Chikara Konno, Kentaro Ochiai,. Fusion Engineering and Design. 124, 1161–1164 (2017).

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/…20379617300236?via%3Dihub

    We had pointed out that the elastic scattering and capture reaction data of the recent nuclear data libraries for copper had included some problems in the resonance energy region, which had caused a large underestimation of reaction rates of non-threshold reactions. In order to corroborate this issue, we carried out a new benchmark experiment on copper in the neutron field with more low energy neutrons. We measured reaction rates using the activation foils and analyzed the experiment with MCNP5.140 and ENDF/B-VII.1, JEFF-3.2 and JENDL-4.0. As a result, the calculated reaction rates related to low energy neutrons excessively underestimated the measured ones as in the previous experiment. The calculated reaction rates with the modified copper nuclear data in the previous study reproduced the measured ones well. However, it was revealed that the modified copper data needed more revision.

  • "nuclear industry" scientists went attended. They should be required to go back to school

    Unfortunately no school teaches cutting edge SO(4) nuclear physics..

    they have to bootstrap teach.


    btw the latest NPP2.3 model for the C12 isotope is much better than the existing shell model based on Hamiltonians and computerised confabulation


    Wyttenbach's 1st gamma level is pretty exact, 4.439 Mevs, as is the 2nd level 7.654.Mevs

    compared to experimental values (Exp.
    In the Shell model (dinosaur nuclear physics) using three methods.."present".. "SFO" "WBF"
    the 2nd level (0+??? ) isn't within a bull's roar of 7.654 .
    This should be of interest to nuclear physicists who
    have used the Shell model for decades.


    https://www.researchgate.net/p…sed_universal_interaction

    https://www.researchgate.net/p…context=ProjectUpdatesLog

  • Well, the EU patent is a go. So we have that. EP2656350. Publishing 11 November 2020.

    I was expecting you currently do 'gas only'. There is an increased number of positive phenomena that use Deuterium gas + catalyst(s) reported from many initiatives in the last few years.

    I would not recommend any 'DYI home experiments' without understanding what high energy particles can be released and without having professional detection equipment and shielding present.


    I was expecting you currently do 'gas only'. There is an increased number of positive phenomena that use Deuterium gas + catalyst(s) reported from many initiatives in the last few years.

    I would not recommend any 'DYI home experiments' without understanding what high energy particles can be released and without having professional detection equipment and shielding present.


    There is an entire lineup of patent apps building on a baseline.


    Some pictures of the arrangement. The gas phase experiment I'll post tomorrow.2side view of system.pdf

  • Looks like the academic development on the theoretical side has to be developed before mainstream physicists will allow your patents, which is sad news for all of us trying to develop LENR. I admire your persistence an the face of ignorance.:)

  • We had / have decent equipment. In the case of the early liquid experiments, the best we could buy. I admit shielding was under-appreciated. We planned extensive shielding (many feet of concrete) after the incident, but then went to gas phase. In the gas phase experiment, we had 4 stage pumping, a great mass spec (QMG 420, 128 amu system, 16x300mm rods, 90 off axis detector). I was trying to borrow a mag sector mass spec with real resolution, but that didn't happen. This is a tough range for quads, really need a mag sector. But a month later everything was stolen.

  • I have seen similar debates by people that had experimental proof but was/is currently being met with similar challenges. No matter if the experiment works, if it's impossible by prior art, or worst, if it can´t be conceived to be possible from the prior art, no matter how good the results, the patent is rejected. Happened to Ruggero Santilli with his thunder fusion reactor (two non final rejections until a final rejection, this for several of his patent applications of his reactor), and is happening to Ryushin Omasa for his vibrating vane transmutation apparatus. No matter if it has been independently shown to work. That's why I asked what was your plan B (when and if you met with a final rejection). But I am really glad to hear that you got one EU patent granted.

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.

  • robert bryant

    i have always been interested in Wyttenbach 's theories but frankly i don't have the level required to well understand all the intricacies.

    I think you possess this level, so why can't you do a little, very very popularizing file so all of our community will can try to catch up with you in your dialogues?