Rossi E-Cat SK Demo Discussion

  • I suppose the basic problem is that we have no basic consensus of how well any LENR device is likely to perform - all we have to go on is all that has been published over the years at ICCF meetings, all the literature and come up with some kind of scientific overview - IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY ACCEPTANCE OF ANY OF IT BY THE MAINSTREAM SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY! All I can figure is that an energy out/energy in of 2 sounds reasonable based on all recent work - the basic lower limit of what can be expected if you like. All I am saying, like Director, is that if we can replicate AR's E-cat, show that it does indeed have a COP of around 2 as we expect to find, then we can go to the next level - CONVINCE THE MAINSTREAM that LENR WORKS! IE PUBLISH the data in a mainstream journal AND ESTABLISH THE FACT ONCE AND FOR ALL.

    This is dreadful.

    If Mats does call out Rossi for what he and this charade are, he kisses his meal ticket goodbye, same with Frank, is this not obvious to everyone?

  • Roger Green is still active, I've received an e-mail today:

    Roger is located down under. Is Australia now called SE Asia?!

  • Kind of related to Jed's point that the COP is irrelevant, why can't the customer who Rossi refers to as "he", just close the damn loop themselves.


    I assume that "closing the loop" means installing a heat engine and generating electricity, which then powers the device. That is much more difficult than most people realize. It would cost tens of millions of dollars to develop that for a machine 1 kW or larger. If you had a very small machine with an input:output ratio of ~1:100 you could make a toy version with something like a thermoelectric generator, but for anything larger it would be a major engineering project. In this case, I assume Rossi is talking about selling heat for space heating or process heat. "Process heat" means heat used for cooking, curing wood, or industrial applications. The temperature of heat used in such applications is too low for any generator. The Carnot efficiency is too low. Steam for space heating is sold in places such as New York City by Con-Ed. It was originally waste heat steam from electric generators, which by definition means the Carnot efficiency is too low. It wouldn't be waste heat otherwise; they would run it through a low pressure turbine or cylinder. Nowadays they have natural gas boilers to provide steam to customers:


    https://www.coned.com/en/our-e…e-source-our-energy/steam


    If Rossi wants to sell steam that is hot enough, and with high enough pressure for power generation, he would have to make a boiler much stronger and hotter than a process heat boiler. That is a whole different ball game.



    . . . I said a small device with a thermoelectric chip would be a "toy" generator. I mean it would only be powerful enough for something like a cell phone, a wristwatch, or small toy. It would have extremely low efficiency. Most of the heat would be wasted. However, if it could be made compact it would be immensely useful and valuable for niche applications. Such as powering cell phones or heart pumps (Left Ventricular Assist Devices - LVAD). Or hearing aid batteries. The most valuable and expensive energy in the world is sold at milliwatt power levels, in things like hearing aid batteries. Rossi and some others assume you must have megawatt scale devices to be profitable. They have that backwards. It is just the opposite. Smaller is more profitable.

  • All of this discussion of the SK seems to imply that we actually saw it yesterday. We saw a blue box and we saw an image of something very bright. That is all we saw. Based on Rossi's impeccable record of providing reliable and factual information, does anybody actually believe we learned anything about this so-called device? At least with the QX we got to see some sprinkler parts. This time around, Rossi didn't even bother to jin up some gadgetry. But, it was a nice blue box with a brass samovar and a panic button on top. That much we can surely say. Rossi must giggle himself to sleep every night thinking about the people who actually take him seriously.

  • I think yes. The very first thing Rossi said in the video was that picometric hydrogen aggregates, whose 437.2 nm signature was reportedly shown in a photospectrometer screengrab, are the origin of the energy gain in his device, pointing to the paper he's recently written (which I believe in reality was for the most part authored by prof. G. Vassallo of the University of Palermo, at least on sections 1-4) for more details. I find unusual that he would begin a commercial demonstration with this very specific information that for the most part refers to the theoretical and experimental work of other researchers (if you follow the references there).


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    [0:49:15] [Rossi] First of all - please, Thomas: show me the enlargement, that section enlarged of the spectrometer that we have prepared - Ok. This particular will be of interest mainly for the scientists, if any, that are listening to us. In this section of the spectrometer that here has been enlarged we have a signature at 437.2 nm. This signature is important because it is a possible indicaton of the existence of picometric aggregates whose high density, I think, is the origin of the energy gain. It should be this thing that turns up the reactions of the effect. Who wants to go deeper in the theoreticals can Google for my paper "E-Cat SK and long-range particle interactions" published on ResearchGate on January 24 2019, several days ago, or more easily just email to me at <email address> and I will send you the link.

  • Well January 2019 has came and went. I have refrained from posting for a long time.

    So where do we stand now?!. Ha....


    Adrian still babbles on by calling others babblers! He thought the Jan. demo "showed" several things. He said wait and see. Well we saw, but he will continue his unadulterated garbage. I agree the demo showed things, but not what he means.

    It showed an absolutely horrid presentation of what WOULD BE (if real) the invention of the century. It continued to show how the true nature of Rossi. (and alas, many of his fans) Even "Director" was disgusted. (Although he STILL believes the eCat works! Why? Shake my head) The "intentional horrible demo" theory is so stupid. Talk about lowering one's logic to cover up an indefensible situation! Quite sad.


    I did not see a definitive from Sam12, but assume he is still on the Rossi band wagon, even though he stated for a long time, this demo would make or break it. (Or was it April 1? What would the difference be?)


    "Atom Ecology"? It is now almost a year since the big announcement of "lovely dancing gammas". No public corroboration nor no real data.

    R. G. has now came out in support of this last Rossi demo and stated " I believe he provided more than sufficient detail for one 'skilled in the art' to recreate his SK 'plasma discharge' reactor design. " This is absurd and I have lost what little confidence in R.G I might have had before. If he cannot see Rossi for what he is, Rossi's data (or lack of) for what it IS NOT, chooses to ignore the reams of sworn depositions proving Rossi a liar, cheat and charlatan (not to mention inept at math and research) and a whole host of other damning evidence, his judgement as Jed mentions, is damaged. How can one trust it? If he thinks this last demo was of ANY VALUE, he is most mistaken.

    "Skilled in the Arts" my ass!

    I see a very similar pattern developing with R.G. as with Rossi.... big claims, never supported, , avoiding standard publishing/scientific protocols/ papers/ peer review, always happening soon, yet no public endorsements or support. He does have important "visitors"? Yes, and Rossi was always having Aerospace Engineers and others consult with him as well. But they too evidently,"would not come out of the closet". Yet, we did see that Rossi's chief engineer turned out to be James Bass, an out of work PC technician. Who are these visitors, after one year, still not willing to come forth? Very questionable.


    I am most disappointed in Alan Smith, but so be it. He too, refuses to acknowledge Rossi's atrocities and continues to throw the occasional thumbs up to him. Truly extraordinary from someone who is clearly smart and experienced. He was quick to throw shade at Johnny 5 for FAR, FAR, FAR less than what Rossi has done.

    If Alan cannot state this last demo was a real black eye to LENR, then he will not critique ANYONE who is in his "European Circle" evidently. My confidence that Alan will call a spade a spade, when it comes to certain circles is now gone. I certainly doubt A.S. would ever critique R.G. This last demo needs to be castigated by the LENR community leaders. Rossi is giving a horrible black eye to it. R.G. and A.S. supporting Rossi is doing nothing but damaging themselves and the field. Just like A.A., you cannot admit it, even it you know it.


    Who am I to say...... ? I am not making posts about the fossil fuel age being over. That it will only be months and now a year later nothing. I am not stating that "reputable parties are reviewing our work", yet not a peep from any of them. I am making no claims as such. I can however, see a sham, a charlatan, a con artist. I have had many years of industrial engineering, research, certifications (UL and UE), business mergers, management and finance. I have lived many years in the real world and most here have as well. The vast majority here, who have experience and a clear mind agree.... Rossi is a con. Therefore, when people support one as such, their judgement is in dire question. (Perhaps they have not taken time to really investigate, but then they should not be casting support!)


    Will Frank Ackland state where he traveled too? Probably not, because it was probably to Rossi's condo. Frank is financially involved.

    Will Lewan ever do true journalism. No, he is hawking books.

    Will any customer come forth? No, just like Doral, there is no customer. Rossi lies and he lies all the time. Rossi states people want to be left alone. The Doral location was known for over a year and there were no crowds, no media circus, no protest marches! Rossi is simply making BS excuses. There are plenty of companies who would LOVE the attention of introducing truly "GREEN" and endless energy! This excuse is BS. It is simply his scam requires it to be secret.


    It is no wonder that the legitimate researchers do not take part in this blog. There is still too much a Rossi tarnish on it, Too bad, it would be nice to see some real research, real data, real events. No "dancing" involved! (Sorry Magic sound.... you do good work, I do not mean to include you! )


    Shane, I know relations are probably a bit extended. You for the most part call it as it is. However, I must assume you are limited to your full rebuttals on Rossi and on those who still support him, namely A.S., R.G. and perhaps Wyttenbach (sp?). If they truly have followed all the Rossi details, if they state their work is based on or supported by Rossi's work, then that is MOST troubling, as it is clear they are saddling up with a known liar, fraud and criminal scammer. Rossi has nothing, so anything based on his work is nothing as well.


    Well, I had my say!

    A.A. will still be babbling about babblers a year from now. Providing no evidence, no replies to factual questions, just diarrhea of the mouth.


    Rossi will move on to the next eCat since no customers want the SK version but are forcing him to the next revision! (Same as always before) Ha. He has no customers. He has no real working reactor. He is a con.


    And I fully expect, when/if I post next time in the distant future, I will see about as much advance with the "atom ecology" and "aluminum recycling" as I have seen posted in the past year. Nothing substantial.


    Perhaps I will be wrong. I hope I am. But the public data / facts are what they are. It does not look good.

  • I am not an electrical engineer, but would it not be fairly easy to generate the 360 W or whatever it is that is needed via some kind of simple electrical device (ex Peltier effect based)? Then feed back that power to the device to run it? If it keeps running, problem solved. The fact that Rossi does not even try this seems to indicate it does not work. With an output power supposedly 60 times greater than input, that should be a piece of cake. Maybe the electrical people can chime in how easy this would be. Since "he" is a company of the highest echelons, I would think "he" aka "they" have the ability to do this.

    It could be done pretty easily with thermoelectric generators. Here is a company that makes some that are in the range of 7-12% efficient depending on delta-T.

    https://tecteg.com/


    400 W would require around 20 of these 21W modules at a total cost of around $1.5K.

    https://tecteg.com/product/teg1-pb-12611-6-0/


    And here is a nice paper that shows how to construct 500W and 1 KW thermoelectric generators using multiple modules.


    https://pangea.stanford.edu/ER…Astandard/SGW/2014/Li.pdf

    At 7% efficiency, a COP of about 15 is required to self-sustain.

  • Good having you back Bob. I see you have not lost any of your sense of outrage! :) Plenty to be angry about with Rossi, as just about everyone here would agree with. A bit unfair in my estimation, to lump RG in with Rossi though. He, with much help from Martin and Alan, really is doing quite a bit, and I can vouch for those "visitors". I have left enough crumb trails about them to where anyone interested can see where they lead. There is a reason Wytennbach stayed with them 9 days.


    As to Russ and Alan still believing in Rossi after this debacle (not sure what Alan thinks)...well, that is because of what they are seeing right now in the Essex Dairy Barn. Yes, there is no data to prove it...which drives some people stark raving mad around here, but it is there. Or at least they think that, as well as all the very well qualified visitors. Russ wants this to break ASAP, but first they have to get their results confirmed in one of the best equipped labs in the world. That is on the fast track, and will take place soon. They are absolutely confident what they are seeing everyday, will be repeated there. It is really happening, is real, and not another Rossi story in the making.


    That said, as you compliment me on; I am a straight shooter. In that vein, I will continue to report honestly on my feelings about Rossi, while relaying to the forum the thoughts, and reasoning of those well qualified in the sciences, who elect to stick with him. It is as fascinating to me, as everyone else. Only difference, is that I respect their right to believe in him, while some others do not.

  • Can we please be a little more specific instead of saying some people believe in Rossi and others don't?


    I believe Rossi's technology most likely works, even though with the SK I have no proof.


    But I also think that the E-Cat saga is now over unless someone replicates.

  • In terms of Mats Lewan’s article, he seems like a nice genuine guy. I read his book and liked it. But he is providing way too much cover for Rossi. He acts a little skeptical but then says things like:


    From Mats:

    “But again—even though the presentation could be considered to be sloppy, the message is clear: Orders for heat produced commercially by the E-Cat SK can now be made, with delivery within weeks.“


    By saying this Mats is implying that everything AR is saying and promoting has some merit. AR has been in multiple lawsuits, sued for fraud, and has been caught lying multiple times on different fronts. Nothing is clear with AR, and nothing is clear from that video. I think there is no reason to believe that AR will deliver a working e-cat within weeks to anyone.


    From Mats

    “In other words—Rossi might be the first of a series of technology companies launching a commercial energy service based on LENR, which is still considered to be impossible by many scientists, yet having the potential to disrupt the energy sector and to bring huge change to the world.“


    Why say that AR might be the first versus anyone else? What has he demonstrated to warrant such hope? Why might AR be the first based on anything from the video? Why always go to the most hopeful, positive scenario?


    I realize I sound like old Mary Yugo here, but think of all of the years AR has been at this and the video he produced. This can’t be taken seriously in my opinion.

  • I have a couple of basic questions about heating the alleged space. I ask it in all seriousness because I am neither an engineer nor a scientist. Here in California most houses have central heating, with one or more forced air units. The FAU is usually gas fired and then the warm air is circulated throughout the desired areas using a blower and ventilation tubes. This allows the warmer air to be distributed and output to spots throughout the desired area, thereby, as I understand it, allowing the warmer air to mix more easily with the existing air (while the colder air, which is heavier and thus lower to the floor, is being sucked into the FAU through a return system). This type of system seems to allow for warming without higher temperatures being present through distribution means such as radiators. As I also understand it, if you use only one radiator without a circulating fan, the radiator has to get extremely hot, hot and dangerous enough to burn.


    Now my questions: If the Blue Box with the samovar attached (credit to someone above for the description was supposed to be the only means of heating a 42,000 cubic foot area (3,000 with 14 foot high ceilings), how the hell does it do that? I see no connections for HVAC tubing and if the samovar is supposed to be putting out all the necessary heat, without a blower or fan, I would have to imagine that the samovar would be verrrrrry hot, and yet it was covered with what appeared to be an ordinary sheet without any harm to the sheet, or to the man with no upper body who stands right next to the samovar.


    I would appreciate any substantive corrections / answers to my questions / premises (that means calling me a babbler, idiot or just stupid only reflects on the commenter).

  • Or maybe physicists begin working initially on cold fusion start off being objective but once bitten by the bug of possible fame and fortune etc lose their objectivity and begin synthesising the data to suit/back up their patent applications?

    Nope. They were all government employees, working for Uncle Sam at national labs, or the state of Utah, Illinois, the Italian gov't, Japanese national universities, etc. There was no prospect of fame or fortune for them, any more than there was for the government employees who invented the internet. The patent applications I have seen would have been awarded to the various universities and government agencies.

  • I think there is no reason to believe that AR will deliver a working e-cat within weeks to anyone.


    I would agree with that. Any competent business tries to minimize the obstacles (make the transition smooth) between when a customer wants to buy, and when it happens. Rossi reverses that, and actually challenges the customer to meet his standards before he will do business with them. If they qualify, they then have a list of things to accomplish first, before Rossi will deliver the product.


    If he really has something, anything, this is not the way to go about it.

  • I would agree with that. Any competent business tries to minimize the obstacles (make the transition smooth) between when a customer wants to buy, and when it happens. Rossi reverses that, and actually challenges the customer to meet his standards before he will do business with them. If they qualify, they then have a list of things to accomplish first, before Rossi will deliver the product.


    If he really has something, anything, this is not the way to go about it.

    Silly wabbit, AA will explain to us that such is the way all big industrial, engineering and other businesses all do business. We babblers just don't understand big business.

  • Now my questions: If the Blue Box with the samovar attached (credit to someone above for the description was supposed to be the only means of heating a 42,000 cubic foot area (3,000 with 14 foot high ceilings), how the hell does it do that? I see no connections for HVAC tubing and if the samovar is supposed to be putting out all the necessary heat, without a blower or fan, I would have to imagine that the samovar would be verrrrrry hot

    Good point! Good catch. (I shoulda, woulda, thunk of it . . . he says jealously.) It is similar to the observations made by Murray and others visiting Doral; i.e. "why isn't everyone in this room cooked, if that thing is producing a megawatt?"


    I have a small house heated with a 1920 Franklin stove. The house is 1000 sq. feet at most. The stove is much bigger than the blue box. It gets hot enough to cook on. I mean that: we cook eggs, coffee, etc. You would be burned if you touched the top. A cloth placed over it would be in danger of igniting even if there were no flames but only embers. The smoke and much of the heat goes up the flue, out of the room.



    (This is getting off topic but Franklin stoves stoves are dangerous, because the heat is so concentrated and because they are right in the room. The township is run by spoilsports who will not approve of my stove, just because it is a century old, extremely dangerous to small children and drunk adults, and likely to burn the house down. Modern people have no idea how dangerous life used to be. My grandfather once came home, saw a kerosene lamp that was flaming up out of control (low kerosene, dry wick), and threw it right through the living room window glass out onto the lawn where it exploded.


    Another note that modern people may not know: Because the stove gets so hot, you can't cook indoors in summer. 19th century houses often had two stoves, one in the house, and one on the porch or in a small summer kitchen building next to the house.


    Franklin stoves and kerosene stoves are still common in Japan. One of them nearly killed the son of a friend of mine, permanently scarring him. People who feel nostalgic about such things should spend a week living with them.)

  • Now my questions: If the Blue Box with the samovar attached (credit to someone above for the description was supposed to be the only means of heating a 42,000 cubic foot area (3,000 with 14 foot high ceilings), how the hell does it do that? I see no connections for HVAC tubing and if the samovar is supposed to be putting out all the necessary heat, without a blower or fan, I would have to imagine that the samovar would be verrrrrry hot, and yet it was covered with what appeared to be an ordinary sheet without any harm to the sheet, or to the man with no upper body who stands right next to the samovar.

    Hey, you are not closely following the e-catSK story.

    Rossi solved this problem already last year, when he invented a “fantastic new heat exchanger”.


    How this new fantasic system works, he never disclosed (I thinks some time ago he wrote that a patent application is pending, so he can not tell more now), and shouldn’t concern you. - It doesn’t concern his loyal followers neither.

    When the guru says problem solved, then it’s considered solved. - So, STFU!

  • All of this discussion of the SK seems to imply that we actually saw it yesterday. We saw a blue box and we saw an image of something very bright. That is all we saw. Based on Rossi's impeccable record of providing reliable and factual information, does anybody actually believe we learned anything about this so-called device? At least with the QX we got to see some sprinkler parts. This time around, Rossi didn't even bother to jin up some gadgetry. But, it was a nice blue box with a brass samovar and a panic button on top. That much we can surely say. Rossi must giggle himself to sleep every night thinking about the people who actually take him seriously.

    io,


    Yes, there are probably 30-40 people over at ECW that do actually believe that.

  • AA will explain to us that such is the way all big industrial, engineering and other businesses all do business.


    LOLs, he may. I would like to see him a little more active than he has been recently. Not only curious about his, but all Rossi believers opinions after the video/interview. We can not call it a "demonstration" anymore I guess, because nothing was demonstrated.

  • Bob,

    That’s a “2 thumbs up, Roseland67 approved” RANT, well done.


    Have a Macallan on the rocks and go to bed knowing you earned your day of rest.

  • Bob,

    That’s a “2 thumbs up, Roseland67 approved” RANT, well done.


    Have a Macallan on the rocks and go to bed knowing you earned your day of rest.

    You do not put decent or good scotch "on the rocks." That is an abomination, maybe two or three drops of water, but please no ice.


    I am thinking of buying a bottle of Lagavulin 16yo and I just got a bottle of Glenmorangie Nectar D'or 16yo for my knee surgeon (left knee complete replacement 11 weeks ago, right knee on March 7 -- if the second goes as well as the first, I will get him a bottle of Lagavulin).

  • As to Russ and Alan still believing in Rossi after this debacle (not sure what Alan thinks)...well, that is because of what they are seeing right now in the Essex Dairy Barn.

    Perhaps it would be fairer to say they believe in nanoparticle gas loading not only thanks to Rossi, but also to Arata, Mizuno, Takahashi, Beiting and others who have observed it. Rossi claims he saw it, and the first Levi report is evidence that he may have. But even if he did replicate, I do not think it is fair to give him all the credit for this technique.


    Given all the problems with Lugano and his other reactors, I doubt he ever found anything.

  • It has been said here that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I disagree. Extraordinary claims require evidence period. So far, we have seen none. Rumors of visitors are just that, same as Rossi's aerospace engineers over the years. Fanciful claims of "dancing gamma girls" is just that... fanciful claims if not supported by evidence/data. As time goes on, the lack of evidence or corroboration greatly reduces likely hood of the extraordinary claim.


    The way I look at it, is that they are at the stage any researcher seeing fantastic results, would not make a formal presentation of their data. Way too early for that (been 9 months), but they are so excited with what they found after decades of searching, they can not help themselves from saying something. Like the old miner, and his pack mule prospecting for gold in the desert for 20 years, hitting the mother load, and can't help himself when walking to the nearest town and yelling eureka, before cashing in.


    While what they say, and how they act may not be up to your, and a few others standards, I believe most here enjoy, and appreciate what Russ, and Alan have been passing on to us. If this pans out like we hope, we will have had a historic, and personal glimpse, to how it unfolded in the earliest days.

  • Engineer48 made up a specs sheet based on the video. I believe he said in another post he hassome interested clients ready to buy the SK. FTR, he also had some clients ready to buy the 1MW (Doral) plants, and Rossi refused the offer:



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  • Say what?? Engineer48 reported the gadget produces 22 kWt (thermal). That's 75,000 btu/h. That's a small home furnace. Most are 80,000 to 100,000. You need 40 to 45 btu per square foot. So that would be suitable for a 1,900 sq. ft. house with 8' ceilings in a temperate climate. Not a 3,000 sq. ft. facility with 14' ceilings. This time of year, people would be wearing coats in the facility with only a 75,000 btu heater. Unless it had much better insulation than most commercial real estate.


    To put it another way, 14 electric heaters in a large warehouse will not cut it. As it happens, my office HVAC was off for a week in December. There were lots of electric heaters but the place was seldom above 55 deg F.


    Also, as noted by Woodworker, a 75,000 btu furnace has air blowing through it constantly, so it doesn't get very hot. The heat is rapidly distributed throughout the house. There is a gas-fired one in the closet next to my kitchen, which is burning at this moment. I just touched the faceplate and the flue. Care-full-ly. They are warm but not hot to the touch. Here is a modern 90,000 btu Franklin stove:


    https://www.acehardware.com/de…and-pellet-stoves/4639720


    The heat from this is not distributed. (There are some models with blowers, and some even hook into regular ducts, but not this one.) Anyway, if you held you hand on the face of this, or the flue, for as long as I just touched the gas fired furnace, you would be in the hospital.

  • I have a couple of basic questions about heating the alleged space. I ask it in all seriousness because I am neither an engineer nor a scientist. Here in California most houses have central heating, with one or more forced air units. The FAU is usually gas fired and then the warm air is circulated throughout the desired areas using a blower and ventilation tubes. This allows the warmer air to be distributed and output to spots throughout the desired area, thereby, as I understand it, allowing the warmer air to mix more easily with the existing air (while the colder air, which is heavier and thus lower to the floor, is being sucked into the FAU through a return system). This type of system seems to allow for warming without higher temperatures being present through distribution means such as radiators. As I also understand it, if you use only one radiator without a circulating fan, the radiator has to get extremely hot, hot and dangerous enough to burn.


    Now my questions: If the Blue Box with the samovar attached (credit to someone above for the description was supposed to be the only means of heating a 42,000 cubic foot area (3,000 with 14 foot high ceilings), how the hell does it do that? I see no connections for HVAC tubing and if the samovar is supposed to be putting out all the necessary heat, without a blower or fan, I would have to imagine that the samovar would be verrrrrry hot, and yet it was covered with what appeared to be an ordinary sheet without any harm to the sheet, or to the man with no upper body who stands right next to the samovar.


    I would appreciate any substantive corrections / answers to my questions / premises (that means calling me a babbler, idiot or just stupid only reflects on the commenter).


    I think there is a misunderstanding. In the E-Cat SK video, the E-Cat presented was not operating, and tubing was not connected. It was there just for display. Now, an E-Cat that was operating would be less hot than a normal boiler, because it does not require air intake and exhaust. It appears sealed. And note: even typical boilers do not get that hot. I can lean up against our 1980s natural gas furnace while it is running with no concern at all. The vast majority of the heat energy is piped away for proper distribution, as also would occur for an operating E-Cat SK.

    About heating 42,000 cubic feet. I did the (very simple) calculations for a detached building with dimensions 10m by 30m by 4m, assuming an average R10 value of insulation on the walls and ceiling, and heat loss through the floor the same as that through the walls and ceiling. With the temperature outside 16C colder than inside, 13kW of power is lost to the outside. Thus any heater must be putting out something like 13kW of power, fairly consistent with the stated power output of the E-Cat SK.

  • Yeah it was clearly a mistake to try to calculate energy from that kind of spectrum. Rossi is self admittedly bad at doing simple calculations, and now as it appears, he can be bad at applying theory.

    But heat is heat, pretty straightforward when the amounts are significant. I'll be waiting in earnest for the first customers to report back.

    Interesting theory about the ballerina and the application of UV led's. Problem is, it wouldn't account for the alleged intense brightness and it wouldn't account for the cliff ; no photon wavelengths above 450nm. Provided that is real. Very strange spectrum. If UV LEDs were used there would have to be many varieties, ranging from the 200 to 400 nm range.

    Personally I was quite enchanted by the Ballerina, rather hypnotic. That in itself is worthy of serious investigation. I can understand how Rossi was quite taken with it. Me too!

  • I forgot to mention that the puppet show and song were actually enjoyable to me. I appreciate any kind of attempt at humor. If this was a real working power source I think this would be a great marketing device. But since the rest of the presentation was a farce it cemented the fact that Rossi is a fraud.

  • Kind of related to Jed's point that the COP is irrelevant, why can't the customer who Rossi refers to as "he", just close the damn loop themselves. I am not an electrical engineer, but would it not be fairly easy to generate the 360 W or whatever it is that is needed via some kind of simple electrical device (ex Peltier effect based)? Then feed back ..


    Likely easier to be able to restart remotely , should there be any unforeseen problems.

    It's early stages.