Fascinating interview.
As he says, we still don't know. Looking back Sweden's realistic (not denying the science) but light touch method may prove optimal. A shame the US cannot unite around a policy like this, but while half of the population deny COVID is real that is difficult.
THH
Careful translating between countries and different social structures. I suspect masks is needed in USA as I suspect people will go to work although having milder symptoms. I do however not know the statistics so maybe not but still one need to be careful.