Covid-19 News

  • -It seems incredible to me that we are not equally as interested in the effects of the lockdown on lives and livelihoods as we are in the actual virus itself.

    That is an absurd thing to say. Of course we are interested in that! Of course we are concerned about that. Here's the point that you seem to be missing. Once again, let me spell it out.


    The natural increase in the coronavirus -- absent a lock down OR extensive testing, monitoring and quarantine -- is to double every 3 days. That has been shown in several different countries. In the U.S. there were 32,000 new cases yesterday. A nice binary number. Suppose we end the lock-down today. The U.S. does not have adequate testing, and there are no groups of people monitoring the disease except in Massachusetts. So, the second option is not available to us, any more than it is available in India or a sub-Saharan African country. We are in a third-world status when it comes to controlling this disease. So, this is what must happen if we end the lockdown:


    April 18, 32,000 new cases

    April 21, 64,000 cases

    April 27, 128,000 cases

    April 30, 512,000 cases

    May 3, 1,024,000 cases

    May 6, 2,048,000 cases

    May 9, 4,096,000 cases


    The last day alone will cause 123,000 deaths within 2 weeks (3% because hospitals will be overwhelmed). And ~100,000 more deaths every day for weeks. This would quickly lead to the collapse of food supplies, garbage collection and other essential services. Police departments would fail, as thousand of police officers be sick or died. There would be thousand of uncollected corpses in houses and on the streets.


    Do you think this cannot happen? This did happen, in 1918, adjusting for the size of the population. The police and nurses discovered houses full dead people. Thousands of policemen died.


    DO YOU UNDERSTAND? This is what we must face if the lockdown ends today, with no substantial testing and no monitoring in place. Of course, people will go back to a lockdown on their own long before the daily total reaches a million, but this time, the lockdown will continue for months. It will destroy the U.S. to an extent not seen since the Great Depression. The suffering will be far more widespread and worse than it is now.


    This is where Trump and other national leaders have left us. With no alternative to a lockdown. No Plan B. No testing or monitoring, now, or anytime in the coming weeks. If we were going to have testing and monitoring at the end of this month, hundreds of thousands of people, both paid and volunteer, would have to be in training today, already, in preparation. Nothing like that is happening, except in Massachusetts. It may soon begin in New York.

  • On the contrary. the WHO should be beefed up, with more strings-free funds, reformed, and made able to withstand pressure from national governments. Whether China (refusing to allow Taiwan is longstanding problem for all international args). Or trump, praising China initially, and now wanting to use WHO as scapegoat for his months long inaction and denial that COVID was a problem.


    The current crisis shows that whatever its imperfections, we need a global health organisation. I don't notice those wanting to fire the WHO having a credible alternative lined up.


    That is like saying you will fire your CEO but having no-on willing to step in as replacement who would have the confidence of the board.

    It looks like someone from Tawain

    would make a good CEO of WHO.

    Since the Taiwanese where the

    Country that knew what to do.


    https://thepostmillennial.com/…o-profit-from-coronavirus

  • https://www.spiked-online.com/…he-lockdowns-are-working/


    Slowly, but surely, sanity is beginning to enter into the debate, and those experts with other opinions listened to. These comments are from the interview with John Lee (NHS Consultant Pathologist). He makes a good observation on the media, but did not copy here:


    I still don’t think there is any magic wand for someone to wave to change the current economic situation. Planes are currently flying, but they are empty. Hotels are open in some places, but no one is staying at them. If someone opened their neighborhood restaurant tomorrow for people to come eat there, I imagine few people would show up.


    While most people aren’t doing Jed’s math with the 1.3 multiplier, people instinctively know that if they go out into public they may get sick. People have to go to the grocery store to get food, but most now in my area are wearing a mask. So that tells me no one is excited to be there. It’s just about doing what’s necessary to get by right now. Do people want to sit in a sports arena or a movie theater wearing a mask?


    If the Government did widespread testing to see who has immunity, and people could show proof of immunity, that could change the situation. But right now the U.S. is testing about 140k people per day. Widespread testing would need to ramp up to a million plus tests per day. So a long way to go there. Companies are working towards that, but it still months away.


    Also, because the virus is new, doctors don’t know yet what immunity means. Someone could have gotten a mild case of Covid19 this month, and could possibly get it again next winter. No one is sure that immunity means lifetime immunity yet. The majority of what I read is not to expect lifetime immunity, unless the person got a severe case of it.

  • And here is a meta-analysis of 11 HCQ RCTs:

    I would like too have one single good study first not something absolutely useless. Meta studies do only make sense if the time frame is much larger than the average study duration.

    So, this is what must happen if we end the lockdown:


    April 18, 32,000 new cases

    April 21, 64,000 cases

    April 27, 128,000 cases..

    This only works if the reservoir is large enough.


    Why do they not run a small city without a lock down just watch what happens?? Is is that difficult to get the truth ??

  • This only works if the reservoir is large enough.

    We just don't know how large that is. It could be a lot smaller than some here seem to think.


    studies of antibodies in populations are starting to show up.....


    "study from the town of Gangelt in north-western Germany where 15 percent of the population were found to have antibodies to SARS-CoV-2." "....

    "evidence has appeared that could indicate the number of people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus which causes COVID-19, might be vastly higher than official figures suggest. This time a Californian study suggests the figure in one county could be more than 50 times the number who knew they had had the virus."

    …."Around a third of participants in a Massachusetts study tested positive for antibodies linked with coronavirus, according to researchers."


    if the Mass. study is right then 33% is about half way to the level thought to give herd immunity.... IF those with antibodies are truly immune.

    I have not seen any recent numbers for what levels the herd immunity needs to be useful. Most numbers seem to be using the old R0 numbers near 3.3. The percentage needed drops if that R0 is smaller and more if it is higher.


    I am in favor of limited lockdowns, but I do not believe the death toll would reach 4,096,000 cases on May 9 if all lockdown would be lifted.

  • The mechanism of homeopathy has got a Nobel price around 2003 (for RNA inference!) . Science could prove that one single molecule is enough to trigger a cellular immune response. This is exactly what was originally claimed by homeopathy. DNA_teleportation looks weird but that's exactly what QM claims too. We just should wait for reproduction experiments.

    Entirely incorrect. The premise of homeopathy is that substances act ... ah sh*t, read it from Wikipedia:


    "Homeopathy or homoeopathy is a pseudoscientific[1][2][3][4] system of alternative medicine. It was created in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann. Its practitioners, called homeopaths, believe that a substance that causes symptoms of a disease in healthy people would cure similar symptoms in sick people; this doctrine is called similia similibus curentur, or "like cures like".[5] Homeopathic preparations are termed remedies and are made using homeopathic dilution. In this process, a chosen substance is repeatedly and thoroughly diluted. The final product is chemically indistinguishable from the diluent, which is usually either distilled water, ethanol or sugar; often, not even a single molecule of the original substance can be expected to remain in the product.[6] Between the dilution iterations homeopaths practice hitting and/or violently shaking the product, and claim that it makes the diluent remember the original substance after its removal. Practitioners claim that such preparations, upon oral intake, can treat or cure disease.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy


    Homeopathy is the lowest common denominator of stupidity. Anyone who believes it will believe essentially anything. A Nobel for homeopathy? Dream on. More like an IgNobel. Or actually a Pigasus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigasus_Award

  • -It seems incredible to me that we are not equally as interested in the effects of the lockdown on lives and livelihoods as we are in the actual virus itself. I think we are guilty at the moment of being a bit monomaniacal and focusing only on one thing, and really not focusing enough on the consequences that are coming out of what we have done to face this one thing.


    Some places will loosen up, regardless of consequences. So we will find out who is right. The nice thing about experiments is that they have results. However, we may not like the results very much. Plus everything JedRothwell wrote above. Thanks Jed.

  • I am in favor of limited lockdowns, but I do not believe the death toll would reach 4,096,000 cases on May 9 if all lockdown would be lifted.


    Probably not but are you willing to take the responibility for how high it actually will get. Especially considering that we will have a vaccine, medicines and adequate testing if we just wait a little longer.

  • And here is a meta-analysis of 11 HCQ RCTs:

    And it's inconclusive, not surprisingly. It is too early for good controlled studies to have been reported. Hopefully, some will be in two to three months including also remdesivir, ivermectin and other drugs. What is somewhat encouraging is the low incidence of side effects in the included studies. However, azithromycin and zinc were not included that I could see in the abstract. That's a major failing. Maybe I missed it. What seems to be clear already is that hydroxychloroquine and choloroquine are no magic bullet. Whether they help and the category of patient they help remains to be seen.

  • The Lancet is a careful and somewhat conservative journal which has been around a long time and is respected widely. Here is their take on the possible broad dissemination of hydroxychloroquine in India for prophylaxis involving a billion people (!!).


    https://www.thelancet.com/jour…-3099(20)30313-3/fulltext


    Also, more of the story of the San Diego doctor who was arrested and charged with felonies under California law, for, among other things, selling hydroxychloroquine at hugely inflated prices while making impossible promises by telephone. What he didn't know was that he was speaking to an FBI agent following up on patient complaints. Yikes!


    https://www.ibtimes.sg/who-jen…oronavirus-patients-43267

  • Simple. Because a lot of people would die in a horrible way completely unnecessarily. That's why. I have an idea. Why don't you volunteer?

    Sweden is an interesting case, which practically is in a lock down due to individuals own descitions from the guidelines we have. But still much less stringent than

    nearby countries. What we see is that we have a higher rate of deaths although stressing the health care is not overwhelming it. It is interesting to see how the

    authority is thinking as they are transparent. For example we do not close schools up to 9th grade because they found that children did not transmit the decease

    much e.g. basically they found that when teachers went ill it was due to visiting sick adaults and not the children. One could say that right now, as the infection rate has

    stabilized. They talk about death rates about 0.1% which I think is low. everybody also say it's to early to say that we in sweden will have a higher death toll in the end

    than our neighbours as they can get spikes again when removing the restrictions. The only severe mistake done was to not protect the nurseries properly which i

    believe will in deed make a higher death toll here in the end. But the overall strategy is working it seams. The autorites expect that this kind of lockdown can stress out

    towards august or into autumn they try hard to take measures so that we can sustain cautions for a long time both by the state not burning all the money to fast and also

    through the measures that restrict our lifes. This is a marathon, people can start being careless and numbers spike again. Most probable as numbers go down the brave

    (or stupid) ones will start life again, and keep the decline slow and so gently the society will startup again. Also we are awaiting immunity tests that will help startup

    the country. At the moment we have a death toll at 0.015 this needs to go up to maybe 0,07 or probably higher before herd immunity so yes august seams

    plausable.

  • We just don't know how large that is. It could be a lot smaller than some here seem to think.


    studies of antibodies in populations are starting to show up.....


    Brilliant news from California!


    citing:


    According to the study’s authors, which include data skeptic John Ioannidis of Stanford University, actual infections in the region vastly outnumber confirmed ones by a factor of more than 50, leading them to conclude that the pathogen is killing less than 0.2% of those infected in the area.


    https://www.technologyreview.c…nfected-with-coronavirus/

  • Entirely incorrect. The premise of homeopathy is that substances act ... ah sh*t, read it from Wikipedia:


    "Homeopathy or homoeopathy is a pseudoscientific[1][2][3][4] system of alternative medicine.


    This wiki site (about Homeopathy) is of absolute no value as it is maintained by paid big pharma agents.


    If you believe in double blind double nonsense studies then of course Homeopathy is nonsense as it is by definition not possible to do any such study if you understand how the Homeopathy medication is derived.


    Or to make it more clear: Only a complete idiot can believe that a study about Homeopathy is possible. Main reason: No two person will get the same substance.


    I personally use in 90% of all cases classic medicine but for more complex cases, where our western school doctors have no clue what to do, I go to a Homeopathy or bio resonance specialist. Of course not for an acute disease...

  • if we just wait a little longer

    again, as I said I am in favor of limited lockdowns. I don't think one kind of lockdown is suitable for the entire country or even an entire state. For example: my nearest neighbor is 5 km away. I don't really think that I should be forced under penalty of law to wear a mask outside in my own yard. I can see the reason for such a law big city, but not here. Same with people whose job is away from others. I can see the reasoning if your job places you with in say 6 feet or even 10 feet of another but not for people fishing on a boat in the middle of a lake.


    I haven't left home in 1.5 months.

  • At the moment we have a death toll at 0.015 this needs to go up to maybe 0,07 or probably higher before herd immunity so yes august seams

    plausable.

    This is a sadly common misconception among non-medical people including prominent economists and politicians. Herd immunity needs to come from vaccines or infections treated effectively by an excellent treatment and not from untreated infections "in the wild." That method is mayhem!

  • Or to make it more clear: Only a complete idiot can believe that a study about Homeopathy is possible. Main reason: No two person will get the same substance.

    Yes they will. With homeopathic treatment, nobody gets anything. Everybody gets the same nothing. That is nothing except maybe the inert solvent or substrate used for the endless dilutions.

    You must believe that nothing does something. Let me introduce you to my patented delicious chicken shadow soup. To make it, you hold a chicken over boiling water. The water captures the essence of the chicken and voila, there is your soup. Bon appetit.

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