Covid-19 (WuFlu) News

  • Interesting to see a jump in cases today in the U.S.

    It is most unfortunate. The R0 in Georgia is once again above 1, at 1.1. See the bottom of this page:


    https://www.ajc.com/news/coron…d/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/


    The news from Japan is brighter. Daily new cases range from 30 to 40. 15 of the ones yesterday came from one hospital. That's good in a way, because you know the source of infection and you know everyone who may have been exposed.


    In other news from Japan, the high schools are still closed and the recent voluntary "soft" shutdown was softer than expected. Regional healthcare hotlines report there has been a 250% increase in calls from young women, mostly under 20, saying "I think I am pregnant, what should I do?!?"


    This is a return to the Japan of my youth. Somehow it restores my faith in the young people of Japan, their mores, and their future. Still, they darn well should be more careful with contraceptives. As they say in Britain: be good, and if you can't be good, be careful.

  • Politics Around Hydroxychloroquine Hamper Science

    https://www.npr.org/sections/h…hloroquine-hamper-science

    Trumps gamechanger comment changed the game..

    now Hydroxychloroquine has been democratically designated a dangerous drug,,


    ""Pretty much everybody said, 'Well that's the drug that's dangerous to your heart,' or, '

    I talked to my friends and they said don't take it,' or that 'I saw on TV it's dangerous,' " says Giles."


    The jury is tainted in the USA..


    Perhaps Senegal or Algeria will give HCQ a fairer trial

    https://www.npr.org/sections/h…hloroquine-hamper-science

  • Algeria using chloroquine with some success..

    "Dr. Mohmaed Yousfi,


    "“For the past week, we have been witnessing a net decrease in cases, with less pressure on the level of emergency services. In this province, I think we are on the right track, ”he said, emphasizing the effectiveness of the treatment protocol based on Chloroquine.

    Dr. Mohamed Yousfi welcomed the fact that patients treated with Covid-19 treated within the establishment reacted positively to this protocol, but he is nevertheless cautious in affirming that "we are not yet out from the hostel ”even if the pandemic situation is currently“ under control ”

    http://www.elmoudjahid.com/fr/actualites/153624

  • RB


    Determining HCQ effectiveness is not a PR trial. Nor a question that anecdotes can answer. Unless you think the clinicians doing RCTs are deliberately falsifying evidence (a capital crime in science) then RCTs give you evidence. And they are being done in many places (including UK). The other evidence does not have a high signal, is subject to large errors and therefore can be cherry picked (in good faith) either way, and therefore is unclear.

  • The AAPS view..of the FDA re HCQ/CQ..

    By his own admission, Rick Bright, who is not a physician, knowingly and unilaterally countermanded Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar, Admiral Giroir in charge of Public Health Service and the President of the United States,

    who had directed BARDA to establish a Nationwide Expanded Access Investigational New Drug (“IND”) protocol for chloroquine, which would provide significantly greater outpatient access for the drug than would an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA).

    Unlike an EUA, a Nationwide Expanded Access IND protocol would make the drug available for the treatment of COVID-19 outside a hospital setting at physicians’ medical discretion based on patients’ needs.

    "His disastrous bureaucratic decision may well be remembered as one of the worst preventable medical tragedies in our time.

    Never again should one government employee be allowed unrestrained power without oversight,

    and allowed to make a sweeping order interfering with the prescribing authority of front-line physicians trying to save lives."

    FDA Bureaucrat Brags He Blocked Physician Prescribing of Hydroxychloroquine in Early COVID-19

    https://aapsonline.org/fda-bur…oquine-in-early-covid-19/




  • Whatever the US politics, perhaps some sanity can come from looking at the reaction on UK doctors:


    (1) interested in HCQ, doing tests (and the recent test of it as prophylactic - which based on lab results seems best bet for positive results)

    (2) unable to say it is effective based on current data (and that applies to a lot of other drugs, so nothing special there)

    (3) would not prescribe outside of well monitored hospital setting for obvious reasons.


    I don't see this attitude is contentious, or political. Therefore if you look for who has an unbiassed reaction from the US it would be those who are cautious, would not prescribe to population outside hospital, would be very interested in more data from hospital but not at the moment see evidence of effectiveness.


    It is most regrettable this matter has been politicised. Equally regrettable is the idea that medic trying to preserve what would be their own proper attitude (caution - no evidence of effectiveness but worth trying clinical trials in hospital setting) get overruled by high profile politicians publicly contradicting best scientific advice. Ironic that this politicisation then makes running tests more difficult.


    No doctor worth his salt could possibly do other than emphasise the real dangers after the POTUS says (with very high news coverage) that there are no dangers and it is worth taking HCQ. If he had just said "!well, I think it is worthwhile but I am checked daily by my physician to make sure it is safe" there would have been a very different reaction.

  • Many will get complacent, and for whatever reason stop being safe and smart about their surroundings.

    I fully expect wave #2 to begin shortly.


    Social distancing, masks and gloves remain the order of the day in Roseland67 world.

    We only go to the grocery store and for walks outside around the golf course.

    Everyone, even our children stay 6’ away.


    So far, we have been lucky.

  • Many will get complacent, and for whatever reason stop being safe and smart about their surroundings.

    I fully expect wave #2 to begin shortly.


    Well, they have already gotten complacent in Florida. Will that lead to a 2nd wave, or do the opposite and lower IFR's? According to this analyst, the IFR's have been going down since lifting the restrictions:


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne…wns-end-study-claims.html

  • I live near a "tourist town". I have started to see out of state tags. They should (law) self quarantine for 14 days but they don't. There is a restriction of vacation rentals but they don't. There is a restriction of 25% hotel use but they don't. They should use masks in public but they don't. I expect to see a wave hit here in 2 to 4 weeks.

  • https://www.medrxiv.org/conten…101/2020.05.18.20102509v1


    salt as prophylactic for COVID?


    The point is, there are so many different possible interactions that we still just don't know which of these many potential biochemical effects might be of therapeutic benefit.


    Whether talking about salt, or HCQ, I think the point is to let medicine sort it all out, and keep the media from sensationalizing the issue for their political and ratings purposes, and let doctors do their job. If you have been reading the links, you might notice in the past few weeks a number of US doctors have had enough of this campaign to demonize HCQ, and are starting to forcefully push back...as they should be.


    It is not the job of media, and politicians to practice medicine, but they decided to do just that. And very possibly bad medicine at that...if HCQ is found beneficial. Of course, if/when that happens, they do not have to worry about the consequences of their malpractice, as do doctors. No, they can just walk away, wash their hands of it, and no one will hold them accountable. On the the next hype du jour.


    Did you notice, that in some of today's stories hospitals are saying they can no longer get enough volunteers for these studies? The patients are scared silly over the "risks" of what the medical establishment and W.H.O., have classified as a safe drug for decades. The media has done such a good job of sabotaging the scientific process through their fear and intimidation campaign, it may take much longer here in the US to run the studies to determine HCQ's merits.


    In the meantime, we may have to rely on doctors from other countries, many of them 3rd world, to tell us if it works, or not. This is just Nuts!

  • It is not the job of media, and politicians to practice medicine, but they decided to do just that.


    I really want to know something, in honesty - do you think Anderson Cooper has meetings with Don Lemon, and they whiteboard out the stories they will run against hydroxycholoroquine because they've read the primary research and have read the Results sections comprehensively and don't like the evidence?


    If not, who is writing the stories? Is it Nancy Pelosi holding sessions with other democrats and doing an evidence-cased review, and after a solid look at the evidence they mount a campaign against it?


    What does the average person think is going on?

  • I really want to know something, in honesty - do you think Anderson Cooper has meetings with Don Lemon, and they whiteboard out the stories they will run against hydroxycholoroquine because they've read the primary research and have read the Results sections comprehensively and don't like the evidence?


    If not, who is writing the stories? Is it Nancy Pelosi holding sessions with other democrats and doing an evidence-cased review, and after a solid look at the evidence they mount a campaign against it?


    What does the average person think is going on?


    Navid, perhaps you could make your point a bit more clearly and explicitly? preferably identifying any embedded COVID conspiracy theories that are necessary for your argument to work. I'm happy for you to do this, and argue for what you believe. It is just that indirect slur and innuendo is not really an argument. I can't work out what you mean from the above.

  • There was no slur. There was no innuendo.


    It was a question - a very straightforward question. The argument, if you will, is for others to make- how does the stories and perspectives get decided on - is the question.


    No - only a conspiracy theorist would think stories and perspectives get decided on in some concerted way. And in finding answers would develop one or another conspiracy theory.

  • I will admit this is a questionable source but...……..


    https://www.nukepro.net/2020/0…vaccine-test-vaccine.html

    Moderna

    There Will Be No Vaccine -- Test Vaccine on 15 Humans Put 20% of Those In The Hospital Within Weeks
    And only half derived antibodies.....

    Three of the 15 human guinea pigs in the high dose cohort (250 mcg) suffered a “serious adverse event” within 43 days of receiving Moderna’s jab. ….

    three volunteers developed Grade 3 systemic events defined by the FDA as “Preventing daily activity and requiring medical intervention. “ Moderna allowed only exceptionally healthy volunteers to participate in the study.